January 19, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: So if the courts rule against Texas, they're dip ish liberals too? What about if it goes all the way to to the SCOTUS and they agree, they're disgusting liberals too, Mike? Texas can send them back to Mexico and they can wait out their "asylum ruling" there, per the above law.
January 19, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Texas can send them back to Mexico and they can wait out their "asylum ruling" there, per the above law. You seem pretty confident, guess we'll just have to see if the judge agrees, Michael.
January 20, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, TEW said: I love seeing literal crack heads think they know what "actual libertarian policy” is because CATO and Koch industries supports open borders, while simultaneously thinking Mises and Ron Paul are clownish. That level of irony gets 3 Michelin Stars. How could you possibly claim to know anything about the LP’s policy on immigration when it’s clear you never read it? Can you point out where I said Ron Paul and Mises clownish?
January 20, 20241 yr 53 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: How could you possibly claim to know anything about the LP’s policy on immigration when it’s clear you never read it? Can you point out where I said Ron Paul and Mises clownish? Quote They must be MISES caucus clowns. Right here dude. Yes, dude, I have read their immigration policy. The open border policy of the LP is absolutely insane, completely unworkable, and totally self destroying of the nation they ostensibly want to create. People like you championing policies like this are why the people who might actually be able to raise the money and create the infrastructure necessary to eventually make the LP competitive will never stick around.
January 20, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: Right here dude. Nowhere in my post do I mention Ron Paul, and the Mises caucus is not the same as Ludwig von Mises.
January 20, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, TEW said: People like you championing policies like this are why the people who might actually be able to raise the money and create the infrastructure necessary to eventually make the LP competitive will never stick around. You would be happy with the current leadership of the LNC and most State Committees. The Mises Caucus pretty much took over last year. There is a big push by the moderates to take back their state so that can take back the LNC. The Libertarian Party is as divided now as it ever was. I was recently approached by my county committee to come back. When I told them I wasn’t on board with the Mises Caucus he said they pretty much do their own thing and don’t really look to the LPPA for much. The party isn’t more competive being run by the far right. They would rather run someone like Dave Smith or Jacob Hornberger for POTUS than Justin Amash.
January 22, 20241 yr On 1/20/2024 at 9:11 AM, Tnt4philly said: You would be happy with the current leadership of the LNC and most State Committees. The Mises Caucus pretty much took over last year. There is a big push by the moderates to take back their state so that can take back the LNC. The Libertarian Party is as divided now as it ever was. I was recently approached by my county committee to come back. When I told them I wasn’t on board with the Mises Caucus he said they pretty much do their own thing and don’t really look to the LPPA for much. The party isn’t more competive being run by the far right. They would rather run someone like Dave Smith or Jacob Hornberger for POTUS than Justin Amash. They’re less competitive now because of the left, not the right. The left wing elements turned them into a literal internet punchline right as they started having momentum from Ron Paul. If the LP wants to be competitive, they need to embrace Ron Paulism. You start by peeling away right leaning people from the GOP. That’s step 1 in any practical political strategy. Hawkish fiscal and monetary policy, deregulate the economy, restrained foreign policy, relaxed domestic and social policy, go big on gun rights, BUT stay strong and sane on a few key issues like immigration and the other crimes that matter like theft and violence. You also might have to get practical with drug policy — legalize weed, but go hard on opioid dealers, for instance. Sorry, but unlimited immigration is the dumbest idea imaginable for libertarianism and would by its very nature destroy any chance at libertarianism succeeding in the US over the long term. And that’s assuming you could even get a base of voters to begin with. The LP has a hard enough time convincing white Republicans of these ideas, and they are the most receptive demographic in the entire world to the concept. If you let in every person without a criminal record who "wants to work” they will vote away your libertarianism and vote in its exact opposite as soon as possible. There is a reason almost no country outside the US has the level of freedom that we do in everything from economic activity to gun rights to free speech. It’s because these are very unpopular ideas to most people.
January 22, 20241 yr 30 minutes ago, TEW said: They’re less competitive now because of the left, not the right. Except for the fact that the far right Mises Caucus has taken over the party. You really don’t have a clue do you? Save the rest of your BS for someone who cares. I literally stopped reading after the first sentence.
January 23, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, TEW said: They’re less competitive now because of the left, not the right. The left wing elements turned them into a literal internet punchline right as they started having momentum from Ron Paul. If the LP wants to be competitive, they need to embrace Ron Paulism. You start by peeling away right leaning people from the GOP. That’s step 1 in any practical political strategy. Hawkish fiscal and monetary policy, deregulate the economy, restrained foreign policy, relaxed domestic and social policy, go big on gun rights, BUT stay strong and sane on a few key issues like immigration and the other crimes that matter like theft and violence. You also might have to get practical with drug policy — legalize weed, but go hard on opioid dealers, for instance. Sorry, but unlimited immigration is the dumbest idea imaginable for libertarianism and would by its very nature destroy any chance at libertarianism succeeding in the US over the long term. And that’s assuming you could even get a base of voters to begin with. The LP has a hard enough time convincing white Republicans of these ideas, and they are the most receptive demographic in the entire world to the concept. If you let in every person without a criminal record who "wants to work” they will vote away your libertarianism and vote in its exact opposite as soon as possible. There is a reason almost no country outside the US has the level of freedom that we do in everything from economic activity to gun rights to free speech. It’s because these are very unpopular ideas to most people. No one's switching from a Republican to a Libertarian any time soon. If someone's backing Trump there's no chance they're the least bit interested in what the libertarians are selling, no matter how tough they get on immigration. Not to mention, Republicans are older and far less likely to switch parties. Courting liberals makes a whole lot more sense. They're younger and more susceptible to change, they're more open minded by nature, they're more interested in freedom than the modern right, and most importantly they believe in representative democracy. Nitpick their positions on the issues all you want but believing in the viability of our system of government and that the president is the people's representative and not an all-powerful king is a much more fundamental similarity than immigration. The Dems believe in it. The Libertarians believe in it. But at the moment, the Republicans don't. And as long as that's the case, there's just not going to be any crossover between Republicans and the rest of us.
January 23, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Tnt4philly said: Except for the fact that the far right Mises Caucus has taken over the party. You really don’t have a clue do you? Save the rest of your BS for someone who cares. I literally stopped reading after the first sentence. Dude, I hate to inform you, but the libertarian party went down hill well before 2022. This didn’t happen under the Mises caucus:
January 23, 20241 yr 30 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: No one's switching from a Republican to a Libertarian any time soon. If someone's backing Trump there's no chance they're the least bit interested in what the libertarians are selling, no matter how tough they get on immigration. Not to mention, Republicans are older and far less likely to switch parties. Courting liberals makes a whole lot more sense. They're younger and more susceptible to change, they're more open minded by nature, they're more interested in freedom than the modern right, and most importantly they believe in representative democracy. Nitpick their positions on the issues all you want but believing in the viability of our system of government and that the president is the people's representative and not an all-powerful king is a much more fundamental similarity than immigration. The Dems believe in it. The Libertarians believe in it. But at the moment, the Republicans don't. And as long as that's the case, there's just not going to be any crossover between Republicans and the rest of us. You’re just laughably wrong. There is a reason both Ron Paul and Gary Johnson came from the GOP. There is a reason virtually every prominent member of the party came from republican circles. There is a reason their prime constituency (white men) is the same as the GOP. Hell, in many respects Trump represents the social libertarianism of the GOP — doesn’t give a damn about gays, religion, sexual conservatism, etc. There is zero chance of recruiting from the left or Democratic Party because they are all collectivists. EDIT: I should add that libertarianism has absolutely nothing to do with representative democracy, at all, in anny way, shape or form. If anything, libertarianism would be fundamentally and ideologically opposed to the will of the masses.
January 23, 20241 yr Just now, TEW said: You’re just laughably wrong. There is a reason both Ron Paul and Gary Johnson both came from the GOP. There is a reason virtually every prominent member of the party came from republican circles. There is a reason their prime constituency (white men) is the same as the GOP. There is zero chance of recruiting from the left or Democratic Party because they are all collectivists. You're laughably stuck in the past. The Republican Party in 2024 is a long, long way off from the party that Ron Paul belonged to. They literally believe in a different system of government than they did back then. No one's leaving the cult the Reps have created. Not for Dems, not for Libertarians, not for any other party. Of course, on the flip side, no one's joining their party anymore, which is their fundamental problem, but no one's leaving it either. Dems are young. They change. Most people you, I and everyone else on here know were more liberal when they were young. Most of those people aged out of the 'collectivism' you're so afraid of as they grew up, made money, had kids, etc. The problem for the right is now, post-Trump, those people aren't moving to the Republican Party. They're either staying put in the Dems (and pulling Dems towards the center, otherwise Biden never would've been the nominee last time) or they're moving to the Libertarian Party or they're checking out of politics all together. That gives the Libertarian an opening. But trying to convince people in a real life cult to leave the cult? That's a massive waste of time. 10 minutes ago, TEW said: Hell, in many respects Trump represents the social libertarianism of the GOP — doesn’t give a damn about gays, religion, sexual conservatism, etc. I had to quote that insane nonsense separately to give it the reaction it deserved.
January 23, 20241 yr 39 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: No one's switching from a Republican to a Libertarian any time soon. If someone's backing Trump there's no chance they're the least bit interested in what the libertarians are selling I did. So did my brother, my good friend I hunt with, my buddy from highschool that opened his own barbershop, and the guy that I knew from the bar who always wore a maga hat. We all voted Trump twice and then jumped to the LP. I see a bunch of people on Twitter that did the same, mostly from the gunCAD community, but not all.
January 23, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, BFit said: I did. So did my brother, my good friend I hunt with, my buddy from highschool that opened his own barbershop, and the guy that I knew from the bar who always wore a maga hat. We all voted Trump twice and then jumped to the LP. I see a bunch of people on Twitter that did the same, mostly from the gunCAD community, but not all. And now the LP has driven people like Justin Amash out and they are left with right wing radicals like Smith and Hornberger. They continue to be the joke most always said they are. Trump is as far away from being a libertarian as Bernie sander is.
January 23, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Trump is as far away from being a libertarian as Bernie sander is. This. TEW smokes crack.
January 23, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, VanHammersly said: I had to quote that insane nonsense separately to give it the reaction it deserved. might be the funniest post of the year, and it's only jan 23rd.
January 23, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, VanHammersly said: You're laughably stuck in the past. The Republican Party in 2024 is a long, long way off from the party that Ron Paul belonged to. They literally believe in a different system of government than they did back then. No one's leaving the cult the Reps have created. Not for Dems, not for Libertarians, not for any other party. Of course, on the flip side, no one's joining their party anymore, which is their fundamental problem, but no one's leaving it either. Dems are young. They change. Most people you, I and everyone else on here know were more liberal when they were young. Most of those people aged out of the 'collectivism' you're so afraid of as they grew up, made money, had kids, etc. The problem for the right is now, post-Trump, those people aren't moving to the Republican Party. They're either staying put in the Dems (and pulling Dems towards the center, otherwise Biden never would've been the nominee last time) or they're moving to the Libertarian Party or they're checking out of politics all together. That gives the Libertarian an opening. But trying to convince people in a real life cult to leave the cult? That's a massive waste of time. I had to quote that insane nonsense separately to give it the reaction it deserved. Van is just comically retarded at this point. Like, how do you even counter this level of delusion? Democrats are fundamentally the party of huge government. Their supporters want higher taxes, more handouts, stiffer regulations on corporations, etc. etc. etc. If an actual libertarian politician came along and started drastically slashing the federal budget, eliminating entire federal departments ala Milie, the vast majority of democrats would literally piss themselves in rage. Imagine a libertarian winning a national election and saying "nope, we're eliminating food stamps." These people would have nervous breakdowns. Sure legalizing crack and the ultra retarded "official" libertarian party stance on not having borders is appealing to dems, but that's pretty much the only overlap in the ideologies, and democrats are already working to legalize narcotics in many places, and we all know their stance on the border. So what exactly is the incentive for a current democrat voter to switch to the libertarian party? How man dem voters want to see the federal government absolutely gutted? Those people don't exist.
January 23, 20241 yr 15 hours ago, TEW said: They’re less competitive now because of the left, not the right. The left wing elements turned them into a literal internet punchline right as they started having momentum from Ron Paul. If the LP wants to be competitive, they need to embrace Ron Paulism. You start by peeling away right leaning people from the GOP. That’s step 1 in any practical political strategy. Hawkish fiscal and monetary policy, deregulate the economy, restrained foreign policy, relaxed domestic and social policy, go big on gun rights, BUT stay strong and sane on a few key issues like immigration and the other crimes that matter like theft and violence. You also might have to get practical with drug policy — legalize weed, but go hard on opioid dealers, for instance. Sorry, but unlimited immigration is the dumbest idea imaginable for libertarianism and would by its very nature destroy any chance at libertarianism succeeding in the US over the long term. And that’s assuming you could even get a base of voters to begin with. The LP has a hard enough time convincing white Republicans of these ideas, and they are the most receptive demographic in the entire world to the concept. If you let in every person without a criminal record who "wants to work” they will vote away your libertarianism and vote in its exact opposite as soon as possible. There is a reason almost no country outside the US has the level of freedom that we do in everything from economic activity to gun rights to free speech. It’s because these are very unpopular ideas to most people. The guy who said Donald Trump has a 90th percentile IQ is trying to convince people he's got his finger on the pulse of the American political landscape.
January 23, 20241 yr 12 hours ago, VanHammersly said: No one's switching from a Republican to a Libertarian any time soon. If someone's backing Trump there's no chance they're the least bit interested in what the libertarians are selling, no matter how tough they get on immigration. Not to mention, Republicans are older and far less likely to switch parties. Courting liberals makes a whole lot more sense. They're younger and more susceptible to change, they're more open minded by nature, they're more interested in freedom than the modern right, and most importantly they believe in representative democracy. Nitpick their positions on the issues all you want but believing in the viability of our system of government and that the president is the people's representative and not an all-powerful king is a much more fundamental similarity than immigration. The Dems believe in it. The Libertarians believe in it. But at the moment, the Republicans don't. And as long as that's the case, there's just not going to be any crossover between Republicans and the rest of us. Nah, dude, you got it all backwards. Nothing is more libertarian than attempting to subvert democracy itself. Those red blooded patriots who stormed the Capitol are the voters you need to appeal to, not those limp wristed libtards with their free and fair elections.
January 23, 20241 yr 12 hours ago, TEW said: Hell, in many respects Trump represents the social libertarianism of the GOP
January 23, 20241 yr 6 minutes ago, Kz! said: Van is just comically retarded at this point. Like, how do you even counter this level of delusion? Democrats are fundamentally the party of huge government. Their supporters want higher taxes, more handouts, stiffer regulations on corporations, etc. etc. etc. If an actual libertarian politician came along and started drastically slashing the federal budget, eliminating entire federal departments ala Milie, the vast majority of democrats would literally piss themselves in rage. Imagine a libertarian winning a national election and saying "nope, we're eliminating food stamps." These people would have nervous breakdowns. So are Republicans, dumbazz. And I'm not just talking about the politicians, the rank and file Republicans are too. Trump spent $8T, signed checks to every Americans and you idiots can't wait to nominate him again. At least the Dems align with Libertarians socially. The right's transformed into the socially conservative/fiscally liberal party. There's literally no common thread with libertarianism anymore. 13 minutes ago, Kz! said: Sure legalizing crack and the ultra retarded "official" libertarian party stance on not having borders is appealing to dems, but that's pretty much the only overlap in the ideologies, and democrats are already working to legalize narcotics in many places, and we all know their stance on the border. So what exactly is the incentive for a current democrat voter to switch to the libertarian party? How man dem voters want to see the federal government absolutely gutted? Those people don't exist. Because, like I said in the post you quoted and then ignored, people get more fiscally conservative as they age. Normally, they'd pivot to the Republican party, but since they're big government authoritarians now, they're either working to make the Dems more centrist or moving to the Libertarian Party.
January 23, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: The right's transformed into the socially conservative/fiscally liberal party. ^This. The brand of populism Trump used to take over the GOP is completely antithetical to libertarianism, but morons like Kz were too stupid to ever understand that libertarianism aligned with socially liberal values so it's hardly surprising that he's staring at you with his mouth agape again after you've tried to spoon feed it to him.
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