February 7, 20223 yr Trump White House staffers frequently put important documents into 'burn bags' and sent them to the Pentagon for incineration, report says https://news.yahoo.com/trump-white-house-staffers-frequently-112833336.html Of course he did. Laws are for little people.
February 7, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Ooops. I bet all presidents do this, right? Seems ordinary enough, right?
February 8, 20223 yr Quote 18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally (a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. (b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States. The President is a criminal unworthy of ever holding any public office.
February 8, 20223 yr Trump took the infamous hurricane map he doctored with as Sharpie when he left the White House, report says https://news.yahoo.com/trump-took-infamous-hurricane-map-120950039.html 🤣
February 8, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, Toty said: Are web article copy editors on strike or something? Yeah, they’re protesting in Ottawa
February 8, 20223 yr 6 hours ago, Toastrel said: The President is a criminal unworthy of ever holding any public office. But we again find ourselves up against mens rea at this point. "Willful" is the operative term here: The government has to prove that they knew what they were doing was illegal. The term here almost always implies criminal intent. Hopefully, there are a few canaries yet to sing.
February 8, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, dawkins4prez said: BUTTERY!!!! MALES!!!!!! You trying to excite @bobeph?
February 8, 20223 yr Trump should be charged with a Federal Crime. https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-sen-john-thune-says-182500659.html Republican Sen. John Thune says Trump shouldn't have torn up White House documents, says 'nobody should be exempt' from records laws. John Thune says Trump should be held to "the same standards as all former presidents" when it comes to records laws. Trump has reportedly stashed away records and tore up others. Both actions would appear to be violations of the law. A top Democrat has said she will probe Trump's apparent failure to follow the law. Sen. John Thune, the second-highest ranking Senate Republican, expressed frustration on Tuesday with former President Donald Trump's reported repeated disregard for the Presidential Records Act, including his habit of ripping up documents. "He should be held to the same standards as all former presidents," Thune told CNN, adding that "nobody should be exempt" from the law's requirements. Thune's comments come after the National Archives confirmed multiple reports that their officials have needed to both repair and retrieve White House documents that Trump should have turned over completely intact. The National Archives has said that was forced to collect 15 boxes worth of records and memorabilia from Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate. Trump's correspondence with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un and the infamously doctored image of Hurricane Dorian's path were among the items that he belatedly turned over, The Washington Post and New York Times both reported. Federal officials have also confirmed that they turned over taped-up documents to the House January 6 Committee, confirming Trump's previously reported habit of tearing up documents. The Presidential Records Act requires sitting presidents and their staff to work to preserve records that are the property of the American people. But as The Post reported, the law does not have many teeth for presidents who fail to comply with the law. Rep. Carolyn Maloney, the Democratic chairwoman of the House Oversight Committee, said she wants to investigate Trump's possible violations of records law. Thune, who is running for reelection this November, is a top party official and could one day become Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's successor as the top GOP senator.
February 8, 20223 yr Meh, the argument will be that Trump simply took his own work files to his home but had no intention of depriving the U.S. Gov't of the files. A president can declassify any document he wants. There is no document he would not legally be allowed to have. Secondly, every president has their own archive of presidential documents that usually go to their library. Some of these archives are huge. In this case, the gov't may not have had their own copy of the documents in question, but now they do after retrieving them. So, essentially, there isn't an issue anymore, and a court might even decline to hear the case because the underlying controversy (missing documents) has already been resolved. The fact is that there is at least the appearance of a rectifiable mistake. No prosecutor is going to waste a second drawing up a complaint for an issue involving the ex- chief executive that's already been fixed.
February 8, 20223 yr Trump the Ripper violated Federal Law and should be charged and convicted and never hold office again. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-reportedly-never-stopped-ripping-153705402.html Trump Reportedly 'Never Stopped Ripping' Up White House Documents And Breaking The Law Mary Papenfuss Sun, February 6, 2022, 10:37 AM Donald Trump not only tore up records demanded by the House select committee probing the Jan. 6 insurrection, he also ripped up lots of other letters, memos, articles, briefings and schedules — in violation of the Presidential Records Act, The Washington Post reported Saturday. He kept it up throughout his presidency, despite being warned to preserve all the documents — as required by law — by the White House counsel, two chiefs of staff, and others, according to the Post. "It is absolutely a violation of the act,” Courtney Chartier, president of the Society of American Archivists, told the Post. "There is no ignorance of these laws. There are White House manuals about the maintenance of these records.” The law demands that the White House preserve all written communication related to a president’s official duties — including everything from memos to emails — and turn it all over to the National Archives and Records Administration. Some documents provided last month to the Jan. 6 House committee had been ripped up and were taped back together by the National Archives, the Post and CNN reported last week. A statement from the National Archives noted that they had been "torn up by former President Trump.” The practice was "relentless,” "widespread and indiscriminate,” the Post reported further on Saturday, citing interviews with 11 Trump White House staffers, associates and others. One source said staff in the National Archives considered it "unprecedented.” "He didn’t want a record of anything,” a former senior Trump official told the Post. "He never stopped ripping things up. Do you really think Trump is going to care about the Records Act? Come on.” Frequently, aides and other staffers would scoop up the shredded paper left by Trump to save so documents could be reconstructed before they disappeared into the trash or vanished elsewhere. But one senior official told the Post that he and other White House staffers frequently decided themselves which documents should be put into "burn bags” to be destroyed and which should be preserved. Records personnel would often have to check the contents of these bags to determine which torn documents in them needed to be saved. At least one witness reported seeing Trump slip a piece of paper into his suit pocket. Hundreds of documents were ripped up, sources told the Post. No one knows how many documents were permanently lost or destroyed.
February 9, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Lets settle for he can't run again. You want to "settle" for removing his legs? That's dark even for me.
February 9, 20223 yr 49 minutes ago, Boogyman said: You want to "settle" for removing his legs? That's dark even for me. I'm not sure if it's because I'm really high right now, but this made me laugh like a mad man.
February 9, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said: Lets settle for he can't run again. Sounds good. He has to be convicted for that to happen.
February 9, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Boogyman said: You want to "settle" for removing his legs? That's dark even for me. You think that fat arse can run now, even with his legs attached?
February 9, 20223 yr 6 hours ago, vikas83 said: You think that fat arse can run now, even with his legs attached? He can try, and it would be hilarious to watch!
February 9, 20223 yr Quote Fulton County DA: Presidential Immunity Won't Save Trump Fulton County DA Fani Willis had a chat with CNN yesterday, and gave a bit of an update on her investigation into Donald Trump. She said, first of all, that she's hard at work on the case, and won't stop until the truth is known. She also said that she's made sure to research the issue, and that if the former president's lawyers try to argue that he can't be prosecuted for acts committed while president, that's not going to fly. "I don't think that that protection will prevent a prosecution if that becomes necessary in this state case," were Willis' exact words. We pass this along for two reasons. First, barring his death or a miracle (which, in the minds of some people, would be the same thing), Trump's going to face charges in Georgia. Willis wouldn't spend a year investigating, and wouldn't impanel a grand jury, and wouldn't say the things she said if she wasn't all-but-certain that she's going to indict. "This is a criminal investigation. We're not here playing a game," she told CNN. The other thing worth noting is the reminder that the wheels of justice turn slowly. That's true of nearly any prosecution, and it's doubly true of this one. You don't go after a defendant as high profile as Donald Trump without dotting all the i's, and crossing all the t's, and then dotting and crossing them all again. Further, there are extra i's and t's for him that wouldn't exist for other defendants, like the possible argument of presidential immunity. Or as the third century philosopher Sextus Empiricus put it: "The mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine." The upshot is that the phone call that has Trump in hot water was made over a year ago, and yet the investigation is not close to being complete. The grand jury that Willis is empaneling isn't even going to be selected until early May, and then it will take time to do its work. Their term could last as much as a year, though Willis suggested yesterday that the second half of 2022 is more probable for the grand jury to finish, and for final prosecutorial decisions to be made. And this appears to be a relatively straightforward case; can you imagine all the loose ends that have to be tied up when it's complicated financial misdeeds, or somewhat amorphous crimes like obstruction or sedition?
February 9, 20223 yr 12 hours ago, Boogyman said: Lock him up 12 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said: Lets settle for he can't run again. 11 hours ago, Boogyman said: You want to "settle" for removing his legs? That's dark even for me.
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