August 10, 20233 yr 5 minutes ago, Gannan said: Trump and his supporters pretending Trump isn't a fat tub of goo is one of my favorite delusions. What're you talking about? Trump's ripped.
August 10, 20233 yr 6 minutes ago, Gannan said: Trump and his supporters pretending Trump isn't a fat tub of goo is one of my favorite delusions.
August 10, 20233 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: What're you talking about? Trump's ripped. Dammit. Beat me to it.
August 10, 20233 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: Dammit. Beat me to it. You probably spent too much time perusing all those sweet Garrison cartoons in your Google search.
August 10, 20233 yr 5 minutes ago, Toastrel said: All the best meltdowns. Bigly moar tears please !!!
August 10, 20233 yr I'm going to say and post this every day and one day hopefully very soon it will happen. STFU!!!!!!!!!!
August 11, 20233 yr Quote BREAKING: Donald Trump is hit with a brutal Friday bombshell as lawyers from the prominent conservative Federalist Society publish a paper declaring that Trump MUST be banned from running for president "under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.” But it gets WAY worse for Trump… In their brutal paper, the Federalist Society accuses Trump of treason for "engaging in or gave aid and comfort to an insurrection against the constitutional government” when he incited the deadly January 6 insurrection as part of his failed coup attempt. Adding insult to injury for Trump, the Federalist Society argues that Section 3 of the 14th Amendment — known as the insurrection clause — is "self-executing, operating as an immediate disqualification from office, without the need for additional action by Congress. It can and should be enforced by every official, state or federal, who judges qualifications. It covers a broad range of former offices, including the presidency. And in particular, it disqualifies former President Donald Trump, and potentially many others, because of their participation in the attempted overthrow of the 2020 presidential election.” The clause states that "no person shall be a senator or representative in Congress, or elector of president and vice president, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof." Last September, a New Mexico judge ordered the removal of a county commissioner who took part in the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol. The decision marked the first time since 1869 that a court disqualified a public official under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. Now, it appears that it may be used against Trump — the mastermind who orchestrated the insurrection. Please let it be so.
August 11, 20233 yr 29 minutes ago, Toastrel said: True. Nobody believes it. nobody with a functional brain, I mean https://www.govinfo.gov/collection/january-6th-committee-final-report
August 11, 20233 yr 2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said: https://www.govinfo.gov/collection/january-6th-committee-final-report Doesn't help since Trump is illiterate.
August 11, 20233 yr 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Doesn't help since Trump is illiterate. I'm not sure enough ketchup exists outside of Mar a Lago for that.
August 11, 20233 yr One thing that I keep thinking about is what needs to be done to fix the electorate. I would fully expect any idiot shouting idiot opinions to poll in the single digits, but not at the percentages that are happening now. I don’t know how to fix that? Is it better education? Is what we are seeing, given the age of Trump supporters, the effects of leaded gasoline and time will fix it?
August 11, 20233 yr 3 hours ago, Bill said: One thing that I keep thinking about is what needs to be done to fix the electorate. I would fully expect any idiot shouting idiot opinions to poll in the single digits, but not at the percentages that are happening now. I don’t know how to fix that? Is it better education? Is what we are seeing, given the age of Trump supporters, the effects of leaded gasoline and time will fix it? Getting rid of leaded gasoline certainly helped the crime rate, but sadly, this one's more mental than physical. I don't think there's much in the way of quelling it with any legislation in the information age. And education holds less meaning when every bit of information and misinformation is at your fingertips. Best you can ask for is to make sure the crazies have as little power as possible. The left has done a relatively decent job of that. The right has done an absolutely horrible job of it. I guess the hope is that once Trump dies off no one will be able to fill his shoes from a sheer gravitas standpoint and the lunatics will go back to the shadows. I don't have a lot of confidence in it though the fizzling out of DeSantis based on having zero charisma is a good sign.
August 11, 20233 yr So now Evangelicals are calling Jesus liberal and weak. Well isn't that special. I wonder where they got that idea. Oh, I don't know. Christianity Today Editor: Evangelicals Call Jesus "Liberal” and "Weak” https://www.yahoo.com/news/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-163440579.html
August 11, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: Psshhh. RINOs Did Hell just freeze over? The Federalist Society is saying that.
August 11, 20233 yr 2 hours ago, Toastrel said: Please let it be so. It has to come from the Right. This is a start. I’ve always thought that when it came it would be swift. I’ve given up hope along the way but maybe there is a faint glimmer of hope after all.
August 11, 20233 yr 6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: It has to come from the Right. This is a start. I’ve always thought that when it came it would be swift. I’ve given up hope along the way but maybe there is a faint glimmer of hope after all. The eggheads from the federalist society aren't going to convince the 50% or whatever of registered Republicans who are all "ride or die" with this imbecile. If they could understand reasoning and fact based worldviews they wouldn't be supporting a snake oil salesman.
August 11, 20233 yr 3 hours ago, Bill said: One thing that I keep thinking about is what needs to be done to fix the electorate. I would fully expect any idiot shouting idiot opinions to poll in the single digits, but not at the percentages that are happening now. I don’t know how to fix that? Is it better education? Is what we are seeing, given the age of Trump supporters, the effects of leaded gasoline and time will fix it? Disconnect social media.
August 12, 20233 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: Disconnect social media. wHy Do yOu hAtE fRe3 sPeEcH??11?11!!
August 12, 20233 yr 42 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: wHy Do yOu hAtE fRe3 sPeEcH??11?11!! I mean there’s no putting the toothpaste back in the tube, but it’s making is stupid in general and even more so politically.
August 12, 20233 yr There is some hope. The 14th Amendment, Clause 3. It only took citizens to file a lawsuit. Of Course the Secretary of State may do the same under the law. Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment forbids holding office by former office holders who then participate in insurrection or rebellion. New Mexico bars commissioner from office for insurrection https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/06/new-mexico-bars-commissioner-from-office-for-insurrection-00055010 A state district court judge has disqualified a county commissioner from holding public office for engaging in the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. SANTA FE, N.M. — A New Mexico state district court judge has disqualified county commissioner and Cowboys for Trump cofounder Couy Griffin from holding public office for engaging in the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. State District Court Judge Francis Mathew issued a ruling Tuesday that permanently prohibits Griffin from holding or seeking local or federal office. Griffin was previously convicted in federal court of a misdemeanor for entering Capitol grounds on Jan. 6, without going inside the building. He was sentenced to 14 days and given credit for time served. The new ruling immediately removes Griffin from his position as a commissioner in Otero County in southern New Mexico. "Mr. Griffin aided the insurrection even though he did not personally engage in violence,” Mathew wrote. "By joining the mob and trespassing on restricted Capitol grounds, Mr. Griffin contributed to delaying Congress’s election-certification proceedings.” Griffin he was notified of his removal from office by Otero County staff, who prevented him from accessing his work computer and office space at a county building in Alamogordo. Griffin, who served as his own legal counsel at a two-day bench trial in August, called the ruling a "total disgrace” that disenfranchises his constituents in Otero County. "The actions that are being taken are, I believe, are perfect evidence of the tyranny that we’re right now living under,” Griffin said. "The left continues to speak about democracy being under attack, but is this democracy? Whenever you’re removed from office by the civil courts by the opinion of a liberal judge.” The ruling arrives amid a flurry of similar lawsuits around the country seeking to punish politicians who took part in Jan. 6 under provisions of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which holds that anyone who has taken an oath to uphold the Constitution can be barred from office for engaging in insurrection or rebellion. Ratified shortly after the Civil War, the provisions were meant in part to keep representatives who had fought for the Confederacy from returning to Congress. At trial, Griffin invoked free speech guarantees in his defense and argued that removing him from office would cut against the will of the people and set a "dangerous precedent.” Elected in 2018, Griffin withstood a recall vote last year but isn’t running for reelection or other office in November. Mathews wrote that Griffin’s arguments "disregard that the Constitution itself reflects the will of the people.” Griffin "overlooks that his own insurrectionary conduct on January 6 sought to subvert the results of a free and fair election, which would have disenfranchised millions of voters.” The lawsuit against Griffin was brought by three plaintiffs in New Mexico with support from the Washington-based Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. A federal declined a recent request to take up the case. Tuesday’s judgement is "a historic win for accountability for the January 6th insurrection and the efforts to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power in the United States,” Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics President Noah Bookbinder said in a statement. The NAACP and progressive watchdog group Common Cause filed briefs in support of Griffin’s removal, citing not only Griffin’s involvement at the Capitol attack but also his recent refusal to help certify local results of New Mexico’s June 7 primary election. Griffin, a Republican, forged a group of rodeo acquaintances in 2019 into the promotional group called Cowboys for Trump that staged horseback parades to spread President Donald Trump’s conservative message about gun rights, immigration controls and abortion restrictions.
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