By far the most disturbing part of all of that is the idea of Roseman having the unmitigated balls to criticize and question Pederson's coaching.         Roseman, who has singlehandedly decimated this roster, transforming a solid team that had an otherworldly Super Bowl run into a laughingstock.            And what the f***k does Roseman know about play calling and strategy, anyway?           Pederson should have picked him up, walked him into Lurie's office, piledrived the twerp on Lurie's desk, and told Lurie that if he had any more questions about clock management he could stick the job up his ass.

The funny thing is that nothing I read is remotely surprising, and actually fits what I've always felt that Roseman is about.         Nothing about Lurie is surprising, either, as the way he set Kelly up for failure (he would have failed just fine on his own), ran him out of here and reinstated Roseman was very telling, as was the emotional intelligence and collaborative decision making idiocy. 

1 hour ago, NJWolverEagle11 said:

And I rounded up to get 60. Only 57 from 1960 to 2017. So we really only have 54. This keeps getting better

Awesome something to really make that 108th birthday special!  

14 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Nobody's going to say it on the record because Lurie would destroy them but the articles quote two former players/employees and, I think, two current. 

And these aren't crazy, out of the blue stories.  They track with what we've been hearing about Lurie and Howie for a long time now. 

Was about to post a similar response.  It’d be one thing if this was the only mention of any of these.  But there have been numerous reports of a similar nature over a few years now.  

1 hour ago, Talonblood said:

Howie and Lurie will never hire a real coach who will tell them "no." They now only hire yes men. That's not a winning formula.

Sounds like Jerruh if you ask me

34 minutes ago, NJWolverEagle11 said:

Sounds like Jerruh if you ask me

I wouldn’t call McCarthy a yes man.  Other than Parcells he’s had mostly yes men since Johnson and look where it got them (I know they won one under Switzer but with the roster JJ built).  

Howie needs to go, and Lurie needs to go make documentaries and let football people run football things.

It’s hard to know exactly from the outside looking in and we will see how this all plays out.

But said it before, and still hold the view - in my eyes Howie is absolutely #1 on the list of people I blame for the current mess we found ourselves in, the horrible cap situation, poor successive drafts and misfiring on FAs. If there was one person gone (including Doug and Carlson), I wanted it to be him.

Even this off-season, he’s made some odd decisions e.g. Flacco (why spend $3.5m on a backup QB who’s known to be a poor mentor in a rebuilding year? Someone like a McCoy could be had for 1m and carry the difference into next year when you have more of a shot) 

6 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

There's been some excellent insider reporting about how the Eagles front office has become increasingly dysfunctional in recent years.  I'm attaching links to stories in The Athletic and Inquirer that are must-reads for serious Eagles fans.  Among the headlines:

• Lurie wanted Reich gone after 2016.  Doug said no.  Lurie was going to fire them both and make Jim Schwartz head coach until Wentz intervened.
• Every Tuesday after games, Lurie and Howie held a tribunal with Doug and basically beat him up: second guess every play call, clock management, personnel decisions.
• The atmosphere inside the facility is so toxic departments had to be moved across the building to be physically separated.
• Howie has reverted to the sneaky, slippery eel he was when Chip Kelly banished him from the football operation and he's paranoid about leaks.

https://theathletic.com/2506187/2021/04/12/paranoia-mismanagement-and-office-politics-inside-the-eagles-downfall-under-jeffrey-lurie-howie-roseman/

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/philadelphia-eagles-jeffrey-lurie-carson-wentz-20210413.html

Don't have an Athletic subscription. Seems to be a lot of possible subjectivity to what these "tribunals" look/sound like in practice.

6 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Well at least we had 2017

Very likely we wont see another one for some time

come on.....be optimistic...3017 is not that far away (and Howie will STILL be GM)

3 hours ago, NJWolverEagle11 said:

And I rounded up to get 60. Only 57 from 1960 to 2017. So we really only have 54. This keeps getting better

You think I can make it to 115 years old? 

I'm gonna do some push-ups today, we'll see what happens. 

15 minutes ago, wyote said:

You think I can make it to 115 years old? 

I'm gonna do some push-ups today, we'll see what happens. 

Push-ups, pull-ups, chin-ups ... need to up your ups!  

4 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

Nobody's going to say it on the record because Lurie would destroy them but the articles quote two former players/employees and, I think, two current. 

And these aren't crazy, out of the blue stories.  They track with what we've been hearing about Lurie and Howie for a long time now. 

I'm sure some of it is true but not all of it.  And it wouldn't surprise me if some of it is over blown to make it more dramatic.

4 hours ago, mjkvol said:

By far the most disturbing part of all of that is the idea of Roseman having the unmitigated balls to criticize and question Pederson's coaching.         Roseman, who has singlehandedly decimated this roster, transforming a solid team that had an otherworldly Super Bowl run into a laughingstock.            And what the f***k does Roseman know about play calling and strategy, anyway?           Pederson should have picked him up, walked him into Lurie's office, piledrived the twerp on Lurie's desk, and told Lurie that if he had any more questions about clock management he could stick the job up his ass.

The funny thing is that nothing I read is remotely surprising, and actually fits what I've always felt that Roseman is about.         Nothing about Lurie is surprising, either, as the way he set Kelly up for failure (he would have failed just fine on his own), ran him out of here and reinstated Roseman was very telling, as was the emotional intelligence and collaborative decision making idiocy. 

Why not?  90% of this board had been doing that.

With the exception of Reich, most of the coaches Lurie wanted Doug to get rid of were the same coaches most of us wanted to get rid of.  I'm sure after the 2016 season, there were some that wanted Reich replaced too.

Not many thought Doug would last as long as he did.  A year or 2 and then Schwartz gets the interm job.  At least that's what I thought.  Doug could have made a good HC if he wasnt so enamored with calling plays.  He could have succeeded if he just let the offensive coaches run the offense and defensive coaches run the defense with him overseeing everything. 

2 hours ago, wyote said:

You think I can make it to 115 years old? 

I'm gonna do some push-ups today, we'll see what happens. 

You may wanna contact Chip for some smoothies...and to handle Howie

Let's pour one out for the ones that didn't get to see one.

49 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Why not?  90% of this board had been doing that.

With the exception of Reich, most of the coaches Lurie wanted Doug to get rid of were the same coaches most of us wanted to get rid of.  I'm sure after the 2016 season, there were some that wanted Reich replaced too.

Not many thought Doug would last as long as he did.  A year or 2 and then Schwartz gets the interm job.  At least that's what I thought.  Doug could have made a good HC if he wasnt so enamored with calling plays.  He could have succeeded if he just let the offensive coaches run the offense and defensive coaches run the defense with him overseeing everything. 

I don't necessarily disagree with that last part, but from day one Pederson was all about calling plays, so it seems that he saw that as a condition of taking the job.

Regarding the first part, please stop.       There's a huge difference between what fans and even the media say, and your GM, who never played the game or coached at any level, calling you after every game in to interrogate you about play calling and in-game strategy.            If you can't see that, there's no point having a discussion.

3 minutes ago, mjkvol said:

I don't necessarily disagree with that last part, but from day one Pederson was all about calling plays, so it seems that he saw that as a condition of taking the job.

Regarding the first part, please stop.       There's a huge difference between what fans and even the media say, and your GM, who never played the game or coached at any level, calling you after every game in to interrogate you about play calling and in-game strategy.            If you can't see that, there's no point having a discussion.

Regarding that, do we know for certain that's what has been happening?  Or is it just speculating based on some sources?

Like I've said, I'm sure some of the things in the article are accurate.  But how do we know Lurie doesnt meet with Doug on Tuesdays and discuss the game and how it went.  Maybe Lurie makes some suggestions, maybe they are demands, but none of us really know what these conversations were about.  They could have been normal, rational conversations and someone in the media gets ahold of it and spins it that Lurie is making Doug pass the ball more or some stupid sh** like that.  I just dont trust the media.  They will do anything for a story.

And yet with all that "dysfunction" we won a superbowl.

I just really don't care. The NFL is all about a certain kind of madness. Big money=big egos=big power struggles.

Just win games. As a fan that's all I care about.

 

17 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Regarding that, do we know for certain that's what has been happening?  Or is it just speculating based on some sources?

Like I've said, I'm sure some of the things in the article are accurate.  But how do we know Lurie doesnt meet with Doug on Tuesdays and discuss the game and how it went.  Maybe Lurie makes some suggestions, maybe they are demands, but none of us really know what these conversations were about.  They could have been normal, rational conversations and someone in the media gets ahold of it and spins it that Lurie is making Doug pass the ball more or some stupid sh** like that.  I just dont trust the media.  They will do anything for a story.

I don't trust or really have the slightest regard for the media, to say the very least, as anyone who knows me from these boards will attest.         The story just coincides with the Roseman I have always pictured from everything we've ever heard about him, going back to the Reid years.

You're right, it could all be a bunch of made up garbage by someone with a hard on about something, but it just fits the viewpoint I've always had so perfectly that I tend to believe a lot of it is true.       I could be way off base, but I don't think so.

Only way to build a team is thru the draft and you can never over emphasize enough how dreadful Howie & daddy Lurie are in picking players.  I can see the 12th pick now...an undersized small framed, soft as Charmin Pac 12 DE coming off an ACL rupture who will be a steal due to his interviewing skills and GREAT MOTOR!

1 hour ago, Madriver said:

And yet with all that "dysfunction" we won a superbowl.

I just really don't care. The NFL is all about a certain kind of madness. Big money=big egos=big power struggles.

Just win games. As a fan that's all I care about.

 

I see this a lot on social media. I'm slowly becoming one of those that thinks it was just a magical year. The team overcame lots of injuries and was the underdog even with the best record. Then went onto beating the dynasty with a backup at QB. I don't think it's something that's able to be replicated

We've squeaked into the playoffs since with a bad division. Hell we still were in the odds of winning the division for awhile there in 2020 because it was so bad lol

26 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I see this a lot on social media. I'm slowly becoming one of those that thinks it was just a magical year. The team overcame lots of injuries and was the underdog even with the best record. Then went onto beating the dynasty with a backup at QB. I don't think it's something that's able to be replicated

We've squeaked into the playoffs since with a bad division. Hell we still were in the odds of winning the division for awhile there in 2020 because it was so bad lol

Ultimate lightning in a bottle.  To bad the people running the show don’t realize it was more luck than anything they did.  

It's interesting that Bo Wulf is one of the writers. He used to work for the Eagles website. He was part of EaglesLive for a while about 10 years or so ago.

30 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I see this a lot on social media. I'm slowly becoming one of those that thinks it was just a magical year. The team overcame lots of injuries and was the underdog even with the best record. Then went onto beating the dynasty with a backup at QB. I don't think it's something that's able to be replicated

We've squeaked into the playoffs since with a bad division. Hell we still were in the odds of winning the division for awhile there in 2020 because it was so bad lol

That was a really good roster. Tons of depth, not much in the way of glaring weaknesses. Yeah, Foles played the game of his life in the SB to take home the trophy, but that team was kicking the crap out of the rest of the league all season long. It wasn't a fluke.

14 minutes ago, TEW said:

That was a really good roster. Tons of depth, not much in the way of glaring weaknesses. Yeah, Foles played the game of his life in the SB to take home the trophy, but that team was kicking the crap out of the rest of the league all season long. It wasn't a fluke.

Not it wasnt a fluke.  Another thing that year was how good they ran the ball with Ajayi, Blount and co.  Which is why it's hard for me to believe that Lurie wants to be pass happy.