Way too early 53 man roster projection

[jsb235]

1 hour ago, Uscg-green said:

Don't we get 55 players now?

I think you get to designate two guys from the practice squad each week as active, but they aren't actually on the roster and (I guess) can be poached by other teams.

This explains it, but it may not be accurate.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfls-new-cba-explained-heres-a-look-at-all-the-season-roster-and-salary-changes/

 

[NVeagle]

Have  JJAW learn the passing routes of the TE position.

Third TE on short yardage will be Jordan Mailata.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

My early headline predictions...

Greg Ward doesn't make the roster. Goodwin doesn't make the roster. The Mailata project is over and he doesn't make the roster.

And Jeffrey may well end up being cut or traded.

[phillyfanct]

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

My early headline predictions...

Greg Ward doesn't make the roster. Goodwin doesn't make the roster. The Mailata project is over and he doesn't make the roster.

And Jeffrey may well end up being cut or traded.

Honestly, I would be stunned to see Ward cut. He is still young (24), inexpensive, sure-handed, and produced last year. Unless he FUBAR's camp - I don't think he goes anywhere.

Mailata - only 23. This is like Stoutland's pet project. It could be over though.

Depending on Goodwin's health and how the rookies progress - could also happen.

Jeffery will probably be on PUP to start the season - then who knows. But remember, this is the team who stuck with Mack Hollins way too long and drafted a QB in the 2nd rd that is going to basically sit on the bench.

On the 53 vs.55 front: The roster limit will continue to be 53 for 2020, two players from the practice squad may be brought up to increase roster sizes to 55 on gameday, with those two players reverting back to the practice squad after gameday. Practice squads will also be increased in size from 10 players to 12 beginning 2020. 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

12 minutes ago, phillyfanct said:

Mailata - only 23. This is like Stoutland's pet project. It could be over though.

I do think it will be over. Looks to me like they have finally added a couple of legit football guys for Stoutland to develop... 

[jsb235]

30 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I do think it will be over. Looks to me like they have finally added a couple of legit football guys for Stoutland to develop... 

The OT prospect they added is from Nigeria who only started playing football his senior year of HS. He's 50 pounds lighter than Mailata, and they are both roughly the same age.

We will see if this kid can beat out Mailata, but thinking that he is going to do better because he is a legit "football guy" is just crazy talk.

[weko]

On 4/27/2020 at 4:07 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I do think it will be over. Looks to me like they have finally added a couple of legit football guys for Stoutland to develop... 

We'll cut him, Steelers will claim and move him to OG where he will make the pro bowl after easily blowing up much smaller and slower DTs throughout the league.  Will join that DE we cut that they moved to OT and made the pro bowl as the 2nd pro bowler we've given them off waivers.

[weko]

On 4/27/2020 at 4:58 AM, jsb235 said:

The OT prospect they added is from Nigeria who only started playing football his senior year of HS. He's 50 pounds lighter than Mailata, and they are both roughly the same age.

We will see if this kid can beat out Mailata, but thinking that he is going to do better because he is a legit "football guy" is just crazy talk.

I don't know what is crazy about it.  He has played football and Mailata hasn't.  We're talking about playing OT out on an island.  You have to have a 99 percent success rate on passing downs not letting your DE sack the QB to continue to play.  Mailata will never come close to that out on an edge.  He'd get Wentz killed.  He might be able to thrive at OG if given the chance as he'd be protected inside vs much smaller and significantly slower DTs than lightning quick DEs.  The kid Dallas just took end of the 5th would destroy Mailata.  He can't play OT

[UK_EaglesFan89]

7 minutes ago, weko said:

We'll cut him, Steelers will claim and move him to OG where he will make the pro bowl after easily blowing up much smaller and slower DTs throughout the league.  Will join that DE we cut that they moved to OT and made the pro bowl as the 2nd pro bowler we've given them off waivers.

I trust Stoutland though, if a player has talent then Stoutland will spot that and will develop that player. I think he's got a lot of swing and say in the OL.

[jsb235]

ESP just posted his 53 man projection.

https://94wip.radio.com/blogs/eliot-shorr-parks/eagles-53-man-roster-prediction-post-nfl-draft-edition-0

We mostly agreed. On offense, he cuts Mailata and Watkins and has them keeping a fourth running back, Warren. He also has Perkins over Ellis at third TE. I could get in a 200-page debate about Mailata, but we will see what happens in the fall. They just signed Clement, who I think makes it if he's healthy, but that's a big if at this point.

On defense, he has Toohill over Miller at DE, which makes no sense to me. Toohill is a perfect guy to stash on ir and let him get bigger and stronger, but if he has a big preseason, who knows. I also have them keeping a fifth DT, which he doesn't, but given the injuries they had last year, I see this as pretty likely. Plus, Rush played between 20 and 40 percent of the snaps the last 8 games of the season last year, so they clearly like him.

At LB, he has Duke Riley making the team as a sixth LB, which I don't see. They hardly play a third linebacker, let alone a fifth, and he can easily be replaced on STs. 

At DB, He keeps Douglas, whereas I don't. I can't argue with that, but they do save $2.1 million by cutting Rasul per overthecap, so I wouldn't get too attached to him. Slay, Mills, Maddox and Jones can all play outside, so he is, at best, a fourth or fifth option at this point.

Overall, we match up pretty well. I do think he just churns out content, so his list doesn't take into account certain factors, such as how much money Douglas is making. But we agree on most of the spots, which is surprising for this time of year. I would have thought there would be more deviation, especially with 10 draft picks.

 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

On defense, he has Toohill over Miller at DE

Can't see that one either. Howie tends to stick by his draft picks as long as he can. Miller was a fourth round pick just a year ago so I think he gets another year. Agreed that Toohill likely gets stashed if they think they can develop. 

[eagle45]

I like that you kept both Watkins and Hightower.  With the short offseason, if they don't keep both, then they never really gave them a chance.  The consensus, and likelihood, is that they cut one of them.  I want both.  7 WRs is not unprecedented, but it's not common. I would not hesitate to cut Ward.  He's like a 54th player because he'll be available if you need him later.  Watkins and Hightower will get signed.

I like Killins a lot.  He was the UDFA they went after hardest for a reason.  I think they keep 4 RBs.  

On OL, Prince is an IR candidate.   

[UK_EaglesFan89]

17 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I like that you kept both Watkins and Hightower.  With the short offseason, if they don't keep both, then they never really gave them a chance.  

Completely agree. It's why I'd stash Jeffrey on IR. See what the young guys have got, if it's not working then you bring him back if he's ready to go. 

[Philly_Phan74]

How do you not know the 3 specialists?

[jsb235]

51 minutes ago, Philly_Phan74 said:

How do you not know the 3 specialists?

It was tongue in cheek because they have been considered givens for the last few years.

[vaff]

Wait, Elijah Holyfield is Evander Holyfield’s son? I guess the probabilities favoured one of his 456 kids being in the Eagles, eventually.

I think Watkins and Hightower both make it.

[Penn7980]

Clement is back with the team.  He could slide into the 3rd RB position.  If they keep 4 RBs, Holyfield, Warren, Killens and other UDFAs compete for that spot.

[Nivraga]

On 4/26/2020 at 6:54 PM, 20dawk4life said:

Back ups don’t get paid anywhere near those numbers. 

They will when the salary cap doubles in a couple years.

[vikas83]

My guess:

QB (3) -- Wentz, Hurts and Sudfeld. I see Hurts as the backup for use in packages, and I like a more mobile #2 on gameday.

RB (4) -- Sanders, Scott, Clement, Killins. Rolling the dice with Killins, but I think they won't want to expose him on the PS.

TE (2) -- Ertz and Goeddert. I think they use one of the 2 PS elevation spots here on Perkins or Togiai. This let's them go heavier elsewhere.

WR (6) -- Jackson, Reagor, Goodwin, JJAW, Hightower, Ward. I think they try and get Watkins to the PS, and Alshon is on PUP. Last spot is Ward vs. Watkins.

OL (10) -- Peters, Seumalo, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson, Dillard, Pryor, Mailata, Driscoll, Herbig. Peters comes back, and I think Prince goes to IR based off his injury in college, Opeta is odd man out.

Total Offense: 25

DE (6) -- Graham, Barnett, Sweat, Curry, Miller, Avery. Curry comes back.

DT (4) -- Cox, Jackson, Hargrave, Ridgeway. Really no controversy here.

LB (6) -- Gerry, Edwards, Bradham, Taylor, Brown, Bradley. Bradham comes back (as with Peters and Curry, lack of off-season program enhances value of bringing back guys who know the system), Toohill to PS.

CB (5) -- Slay, Maddox, NRC, Jones, LeBlanc. I think Douglas gets dealt for a late round pick. Schwartz hates him. Could see maybe he sticks over LeBlanc.

S (4) -- McLeod, Mills, Wallace, Parks. Ford had his chance.

Total Defense: 25

Specialists: Elliott, Johnston, Lovato

 

I really think the messed up offseason gets Peters, Curry and Bradham brought back on the cheap. 

[weko]

On 4/28/2020 at 8:41 PM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I trust Stoutland though, if a player has talent then Stoutland will spot that and will develop that player. I think he's got a lot of swing and say in the OL.

Yes he does.  We are fortunate to have him.  They're willing to try Pryor at guard and rugby is only one inch taller than him.  He's an enormous liability out on an island and the last thing we'll risk is yet another injury to Wentz with an OT who can't block quick speed rushers.  For the life of me i can't understand why they haven't tried Mailata at OG.  He would be protected inside and would physically overwhelm smaller DTs.  He wouldn't have to contend with all the smaller super quick NBA power forward athletes at DE. 

[vaff]

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

My guess:

QB (3) -- Wentz, Hurts and Sudfeld. I see Hurts as the backup for use in packages, and I like a more mobile #2 on gameday.

RB (4) -- Sanders, Scott, Clement, Killins. Rolling the dice with Killins, but I think they won't want to expose him on the PS.

TE (2) -- Ertz and Goeddert. I think they use one of the 2 PS elevation spots here on Perkins or Togiai. This let's them go heavier elsewhere.

WR (6) -- Jackson, Reagor, Goodwin, JJAW, Hightower, Ward. I think they try and get Watkins to the PS, and Alshon is on PUP. Last spot is Ward vs. Watkins.

OL (10) -- Peters, Seumalo, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson, Dillard, Pryor, Mailata, Driscoll, Herbig. Peters comes back, and I think Prince goes to IR based off his injury in college, Opeta is odd man out.

Total Offense: 25

DE (6) -- Graham, Barnett, Sweat, Curry, Miller, Avery. Curry comes back.

DT (4) -- Cox, Jackson, Hargrave, Ridgeway. Really no controversy here.

LB (6) -- Gerry, Edwards, Bradham, Taylor, Brown, Bradley. Bradham comes back (as with Peters and Curry, lack of off-season program enhances value of bringing back guys who know the system), Toohill to PS.

CB (5) -- Slay, Maddox, NRC, Jones, LeBlanc. I think Douglas gets dealt for a late round pick. Schwartz hates him. Could see maybe he sticks over LeBlanc.

S (4) -- McLeod, Mills, Wallace, Parks. Ford had his chance.

Total Defense: 25

Specialists: Elliott, Johnston, Lovato

 

I really think the messed up offseason gets Peters, Curry and Bradham brought back on the cheap. 

No way Watkins gets to the practice squad, imo. I think they’d be stupid if they try to do that with him or Hightower. 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

8 hours ago, weko said:

Yes he does.  We are fortunate to have him.  They're willing to try Pryor at guard and rugby is only one inch taller than him.  He's an enormous liability out on an island and the last thing we'll risk is yet another injury to Wentz with an OT who can't block quick speed rushers.  For the life of me i can't understand why they haven't tried Mailata at OG.  He would be protected inside and would physically overwhelm smaller DTs.  He wouldn't have to contend with all the smaller super quick NBA power forward athletes at DE. 

Agreed I think Mailata could be a beast at OG. Dominating against DTs, even the bigger DTs he could more than handle physically and as you say he'd be protected more. 

[jsb235]

43 minutes ago, Shocker54 said:

Yo it bes way too early to project the roster 

If only it said that in the title of the thread. 

[jsb235]

On 4/25/2020 at 7:35 PM, jsb235 said:

I put the changes in bold after the first few days of padded practices.

QB 3 - Carson, Sudfeld, Hurts. Probably the safest part of the projection except for K,P,LS. No change

RB 3 - Sanders, Scott, Holyfield. The fact that they didn't add anyone makes me think they like Holyfield as RB3. I don't see them adding a fourth guy. Clement is RB3 right now. They have always kept 4, so Holyfield makes it.

TE 3 - Ertz, Goedert, Ellis. Like Holyfield above, the fact that they didn't add anyone makes me think he is safe. Perkins is basically a big wr, so I don't see him sticking next year. Ellis not looking great now to make the roster. So Perkins is the guy. Plus he is apparently a key guy on special teams, so he makes it.

WR 7 - Jackson, JJ, Ward, Reagor, Hightower, Watkins, Goodwin. I am guessing Alshon starts out on PUTP. Do they keep 7? My guess is yes because Desean and Goodwin aren't likely to stay healthy. With Goodwin out I guess they keep 6. Burnett has impressed, but I think he makes the PS.

OL 10 - Brooks, Dillard, Kelce, Johnson, Seumalo, Mailata, Prince, Driscoll, Herbig, Pryor. Opeta has a shot here, and they may not keep Pryor. My guess is that they will IR Prince. Mailata is on the bubble, but my gut feeling is that they keep him. Obviously Peters is swapped for Brooks.

So 3 QB, 4 RB, 3 TE, 6 WR, 9 OL.

DE  5 - Graham, Barnett, Sweat, Miller, Avery. I don't see them keeping Hall, since they have basically refused to play him up to this point. Avery beats out Ostman for the joker position. Mller seems to have a good upside, and I thought he played well last preseason. Curry gets added. I still think they keep 5, but I don't think anyone knows who the fifth guy is. Avery is looking like a mistake, so it may be time to just let him go find a 3-4 team to play for. I guess right now we keep Miller for continuity and try to slide Ostman to the PS.

DT 5 - Cox, Jackson, Hargrave, Ridgeway, Rush. Can easily see Huggins or Hector being the fifth guy. Well, Huggins or Hector won't be the fifth guy. Williams is in the mix here, but for now I will stick to Rush. With no preseason games, I don't see a lot of teams poaching rookies off the PS, so Williams will probably be fine there.

LB 5 - Gerry, Edwards, Brown, Bradley, Taylor. Singleton and Riley will make it interesting, but I just don't see them being able to beat out the guys in front of them, and the draft picks will stick. Riley will make it. I think this group is set barring any injuries. Singleton seems like a perfect guy to add to the PS in case someone gets injured. So it remains at 5.

DB 9 - Slay, Maddox, Jones, McCleod, Mills, Parks, Robey-Coleman, LeBlanc, Wallace. Douglas probably sticks if they keep only 4 DTs, but I am guessing he has worn out his welcome. He needs a change in scenery. I don't know why they brought in Robey-Coleman, but I am sure there is a Schwartz connection in there somewhere. Douglas makes it as none of the younger guys are making any noise. So 10 DBs.

Specialists 3. They are locks.

Went over my projections from late April and not too many changes. I think the roster is somewhat set. The biggest battles are probably for DE5, DT5, RB4 and the ninth OL spot. I think they will put Singleton and Burnett on the PS and then elevate them on the gameday rosters, since it seems unlikely that rookies will get much playing time this year outside of Reagor. I think with the lack of preseason games the team will mostly stick with known quantities at this point.

[Allhaildawk]

On 4/25/2020 at 9:09 PM, Utebird said:

Warren III beats out holyfield.

And Corey clement beats them both. Warren is 4