I didn't get to watch most of yesterday's game but it sure seems to me that Sirianni is adapting to Hurts' skill set rather than Hurts adapting to Sirianni's preferred offensive philosophy. Now the questions are is this the floor or ceiling for Hurts and could another QB and this team be better doing what Sirianni would like to do. Just going to take more time to sort all of this out. The good new is we now know Sirianni is capable of adjusting.

23 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Hurts is a keeper.

The Eagles are 13 in the NFL in points scored.  Above average.   Hurts is on the team,  getting paid almost nothing, and there are 2 more years in addition to the rest of this one where he would be getting paid nothing

If they just stay the course with Hurts,  the Eagles have 3 first round draft picks to upgrade defense and maybe some offense, and they have $30 Million to spend on FAs, offense or defense. 

Actually, after the game yesterday, the Eagles are 11th in points scored.  

Hurts is 12th in the NFL overall in rushing yards.   YPC 6.0.  The Eagles are 4th in rushing YPC.   Hurts has the 2nd most rushing yards by a QB, after Lamar.

All of that is quite good, quite sufficient.  If the Eagles were getting those results and paying 30 Million to the QB,  maybe I'd think that I could do better with that 30 Million.  But the Eagles have Hurts, don't have to spend more on him, only have to pay him like 1 Million a year.  This is not the source of any problem.

The defense is 20th in points given up.  Below average.  I'd think that the Eagles should work to get that 20 up to where the offense is, at 11th. 

The great thing about top running QBs is that they don't have to be great passers,  they can be raw,  when the offense is 11th in points scored, the offense is getting the job done.

Another data point is that the Eagles offense is 3rd best in the league in fewest turnovers and 4th best in the league in fewest interceptions.

34 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Hurts is a keeper.

The Eagles are 13 in the NFL in points scored.  Above average.   Hurts is on the team,  getting paid almost nothing, and there are 2 more years in addition to the rest of this one where he would be getting paid nothing

If they just stay the course with Hurts,  the Eagles have 3 first round draft picks to upgrade defense and maybe some offense, and they have $30 Million to spend on FAs, offense or defense. 

I agree he is a keeper for at least another season. I don't believe next year is the right time to bring in a new QB. I just don't think we'll have enough other talent for a new QB to make much of a difference. Even if Hurts doesn't improve much, having a better team around him should at least make him look better. At that point if we still think we need a QB upgrade we might be able to get something for Hurts. At some point I would like to see what Minshew can do, if/when the time is right.

32 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

I agree he is a keeper for at least another season. I don't believe next year is the right time to bring in a new QB. I just don't think we'll have enough other talent for a new QB to make much of a difference. Even if Hurts doesn't improve much, having a better team around him should at least make him look better. At that point if we still think we need a QB upgrade we might be able to get something for Hurts. At some point I would like to see what Minshew can do, if/when the time is right.

Two thing Hurts is doing well right now is extending drives and limiting turnovers. Those are two priorities a quarterback must have. I feel like the coaches are finally starting to operate within the current limitations of Jalen’s abilities. Jalen Hurts can work to become a more accurate quarterback. Some of these other accurate quarterbacks will never be able to run at Jalen’s level and will not be as athletic either. Jalen’s athleticism hides some of the mistakes of the line. If the Eagles had a less athletic quarterback out there against the Chargers he probably gets sacked at least 5 times. Twice the line let Bosa just run free. The first time he blasted Hurts, but he was able to get the ball out for an incompletion. The second time he beat him to the corner, made him look silly and ran for a first down. That is part of Jalen’s abilities that can’t be taught. Most of the stuff these whining Carson Wentz missing beanbaggers keep complaining about can be taught and developed.

2 hours ago, nipples said:

A different coordinator isn’t going to affect his ability to throw the ball accurately, which is my #1 complaint about Hurts. 

Hurts has not been consistent....But at times he did throw a few beauties. As long is he does not throw interceptions, or gets constantly sacked in the backfield, I am fine with his learning curve of the starting QB.

5 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

Hurts has not been consistent....But at times he did throw a few beauties. As long is he does not throw interceptions, or gets constantly sacked in the backfield, I am fine with his learning curve of the starting QB.

At this point as an Eagles fan you pretty much have to be. We have coaches, coordinators, and a quarterback all learning at the same time. Last year with a SB winning coach and a vet quarterback we had 3 wins in 12 games. That was so much better though. 🙄

18 hours ago, 97is said:

We finally have an identity on offense and it matches our talent. Too bad it's totally incompatible with the crap show happening on defense. Siriani deserves some credit 

We definitely have an identity do we? And what's that?

9 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

We definitely have an identity do we? And what's that?

I think the identity is a power run team, the run style quarterback, running backs, shaky wide receivers, and far better suited to run block than pass block offensive line supports that. The Eagles are currently 11th in PPG that’s not to shabby for a team that showed as many offensive flaws as before. They have also cut down all those stupid illegal man downfield penalties thanks to throwing less of this screens. This team needs to embrace their identity of a power run team until the quarterback becomes more accurate and the receivers get better. 

59 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I think the identity is a power run team, the run style quarterback, running backs, shaky wide receivers, and far better suited to run block than pass block offensive line supports that. The Eagles are currently 11th in PPG that’s not to shabby for a team that showed as many offensive flaws as before. They have also cut down all those stupid illegal man downfield penalties thanks to throwing less of this screens. This team needs to embrace their identity of a power run team until the quarterback becomes more accurate and the receivers get better. 

I'm not sure we've seen that off the back of just 2 games though? And it's at odds with what Sirianni was doing early in the year. So what's his scheme? What we saw before or what we are seeing now?

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I'm not sure we've seen that off the back of just 2 games though? And it's at odds with what Sirianni was doing early in the year. So what's his scheme? What we saw before or what we are seeing now?

It’s a legit reason to question no doubt. My only answer I can give is we all expected Sirianni to go back to the mess from before and he didn’t. He’s still learning how to be an NFL coach and there will be some growing pains. His first test since he changed his style I believe he passed. Until this mystical elite passer walks into the Eagles locker room or until Jalen Hurts improves into a more accurate passer, this team needs to keep running the football. I hope they understand that and keep doing it. 

4 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

Actually, after the game yesterday, the Eagles are 11th in points scored.  

Hurts is 12th in the NFL overall in rushing yards.   YPC 6.0.  The Eagles are 4th in rushing YPC.   Hurts has the 2nd most rushing yards by a QB, after Lamar.

All of that is quite good, quite sufficient.  If the Eagles were getting those results and paying 30 Million to the QB,  maybe I'd think that I could do better with that 30 Million.  But the Eagles have Hurts, don't have to spend more on him, only have to pay him like 1 Million a year.  This is not the source of any problem.

The defense is 20th in points given up.  Below average.  I'd think that the Eagles should work to get that 20 up to where the offense is, at 11th. 

The great thing about top running QBs is that they don't have to be great passers,  they can be raw,  when the offense is 11th in points scored, the offense is getting the job done.

Another data point is that the Eagles offense is 3rd best in the league in fewest turnovers and 4th best in the league in fewest interceptions.

For me the D is worse even than their points and yards rankings. While they are 20th for points given up, Gannon's system effectively means that teams can control the ball and the clock and march down the field methodically. They won't necessarily put up huge points (particularly when our O is running the ball well), but they do control the game and take it out of the O's hands.

That last drive by the Chargers is an example. If Gannon had of mixed in a zero coverage blitz or more press coverage, the Chargers may very well have scored and scored quickly, but at least you make Herbert win it under duress. Plus if they score quickly, Hurts gets the ball back and we at least have a chance. 

12 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s a legit reason to question no doubt. My only answer I can give is we all expected Sirianni to go back to the mess from before and he didn’t. He’s still learning how to be an NFL coach and there will be some growing pains. His first test since he changed his style I believe he passed. Until this mystical elite passer walks into the Eagles locker room or until Jalen Hurts improves into a more accurate passer, this team needs to keep running the football. I hope they understand that and keep doing it. 

I hope you're right bud! I just have some reservations with a HC who thought that pass heavy with this QB was the right idea in the first place...

20 hours ago, 97is said:

We finally have an identity on offense and it matches our talent. Too bad it's totally incompatible with the crap show happening on defense. Siriani deserves some credit 

We need the defense to improve before we can win games !

4 hours ago, Thing3 said:

I agree he is a keeper for at least another season. I don't believe next year is the right time to bring in a new QB. I just don't think we'll have enough other talent for a new QB to make much of a difference. Even if Hurts doesn't improve much, having a better team around him should at least make him look better. At that point if we still think we need a QB upgrade we might be able to get something for Hurts. At some point I would like to see what Minshew can do, if/when the time is right.

I don't like to pay QBs a lot,  and when I say keeper,  I mean until the end of the first contract.

Hurts is a running QB, one who is a top tier runner, the 2nd most rushing yards for a QB this year.  He is getting paid a insignificant amount of money.  The Eagles have the 11th most points.  This is the best number for the Eagles outside of the Super Bowl year. 

I don't particularly want to pay whatever running QB that huge paycheck, when I could put 3-6  hybrid running QBs on the field for almost nothing.

I'm not interested at all in Minshew, all I know is that he's not as good a runner as Hurts, and what I want are the best runners possible.  I'm much more interested in seeing what Tyree Jackson can do as a QB.  Which isn't saying Minshew is bad, I'm just not interested.

These running QBs aren't going to be better at running in 10 years, it doesn't take them long to apply their superior running in the NFL.  You can bring them in, and they can win immediately.  Cheap running QBs in system that has the QB run a lot.  Not spending much on the offense, really.   So spend on defense and make that great.  And I really like players like Greg Ward Jr and Tyree Jackson who could be taking snaps at QB or could be standing elsewhere, doing other things. 

Draft a running QB or 2 on day 3,  basically free.  D'eriq King (Houston/Miami)  Emory Jones (Florida)  Brian Johnson coached them both. 

37 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I hope you're right bud! I just have some reservations with a HC who thought that pass heavy with this QB was the right idea in the first place...

Most of Siri and Shane's resume was the Chargers and/or Philip Rivers.  That's your HC and OC right there.

The Chargers didn't have run heavy.  It was tall statue Philip RIvers.  When they signed on, they were expecting Wentz.  

They needed to learn something new to not pound a round peg into a square hole.  And the offense is working,  11th most points = working.  Last year,  4-11-1,  #26 in points on offense.   They ditched the 30 Million QB and the points on offense has gone from #26 to #11.

53 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I hope you're right bud! I just have some reservations with a HC who thought that pass heavy with this QB was the right idea in the first place...

I don’t know for sure, but I can’t help but wonder if the analytics people were the ones pushing that stuff. In any case he seems to have learned from the mistake. It took him half a season to figure it out though. 

6 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Most of Siri and Shane's resume was the Chargers and/or Philip Rivers.  That's your HC and OC right there.

The Chargers didn't have run heavy.  It was tall statue Philip RIvers.  When they signed on, they were expecting Wentz.  

They needed to learn something new to not pound a round peg into a square hole.  And the offense is working,  11th most points = working.  Last year,  4-11-1,  #26 in points on offense.   They ditched the 30 Million QB and the points on offense has gone from #26 to #11.

Psst just so you know you aren’t allowed to mention the 30 million dollar mistake around here. It makes the beanbaggers cross. 😂🤣😂

52 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

For me the D is worse even than their points and yards rankings. While they are 20th for points given up, Gannon's system effectively means that teams can control the ball and the clock and march down the field methodically. They won't necessarily put up huge points (particularly when our O is running the ball well), but they do control the game and take it out of the O's hands.

That last drive  the Chargers is an example. If Gannon had of mixed in a zero coverage blitz or more press coverage, the Chargers may very well have scored and scored quickly, but at least you make Herbert win it under duress. Plus if they score quickly, Hurts gets the ball back and we at least have a chance. 

When I was watching the game, I didn't have any easy answers on that final drive.

I know that the Ravens blitz a lot.    Might not be a bad idea for the coaches to watch the Ravens on both sides of the ball.  They could add things to the offense and the defense.    In the offseason, the Eagles have the resources to add a lot of new talent on defense.  Perhaps the defensive scheme is changes, and perhaps not, but if you have 30 million to spend and 3 first round players, the defense should be better no matter  what the system.

5 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

When I was watching the game, I didn't have any easy answers on that final drive.

I know that the Ravens blitz a lot.    Might not be a bad idea for the coaches to watch the Ravens on both sides of the ball.  They could add things to the offense and the defense.    In the offseason, the Eagles have the resources to add a lot of new talent on defense.  Perhaps the defensive scheme is changes, and perhaps not, but if you have 30 million to spend and 3 first round players, the defense should be better no matter  what the system.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/cap/2022/
 

According to Sporttrac the Eagles have just under 22 mil in dead cap and just over 27 mil in cap space. They still will need to resign Goedert. Knowing Howie he’s going to kick the can some more and flip some contracts, but I also get the feeling they could move Cox which could lead to another big cap hit. Depending on how things play out the Eagles should be able to make moves in 2022 they weren’t able to make right now. 

13 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

When I was watching the game, I didn't have any easy answers on that final drive.

I know that the Ravens blitz a lot.    Might not be a bad idea for the coaches to watch the Ravens on both sides of the ball.  They could add things to the offense and the defense.    In the offseason, the Eagles have the resources to add a lot of new talent on defense.  Perhaps the defensive scheme is changes, and perhaps not, but if you have 30 million to spend and 3 first round players, the defense should be better no matter  what the system.

 

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/cap/2022/
 

According to Sporttrac the Eagles have just under 22 mil in dead cap and just over 27 mil in cap space. They still will need to resign Goedert. Knowing Howie he’s going to kick the can some more and flip some contracts, but I also get the feeling they could move Cox which could lead to another big cap hit. Depending on how things play out the Eagles should be able to make moves in 2022 they weren’t able to make right now. 

I would like them to sign a veteran wide receiver to start opposite Smith. Still give Watkins looks, but I'm not convinced he or Reagor are good enough as number 2s. I'd also see if we can extend Nelson for a year. Solid veteran presence.

But would love to see all 3 first round picks on the D. A DE, a LB and some help in the secondary. Mix in some OL help in the second or third.

7 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

I would like them to sign a veteran wide receiver to start opposite Smith. Still give Watkins looks, but I'm not convinced he or Reagor are good enough as number 2s. I'd also see if we can extend Nelson for a year. Solid veteran presence.

But would love to see all 3 first round picks on the D. A DE, a LB and some help in the secondary. Mix in some OL help in the second or third.

This team lacks playmakers in particularly on defense. I’d like to see some defensive selections too. 

11 hours ago, 97is said:

The offense was pretty damn efficient.   Why do we need more passing when what we're doing is perfectly effective.  Scoring quicker isn't going to help the defense 

Heavy run game planning isn't going to work against good run defenses. Yes there are such things as good run defenses. Having the quarterback be the leading rusher works well in college.

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

I don't like to pay QBs a lot,  and when I say keeper,  I mean until the end of the first contract.

Hurts is a running QB, one who is a top tier runner, the 2nd most rushing yards for a QB this year.  He is getting paid a insignificant amount of money.  The Eagles have the 11th most points.  This is the best number for the Eagles outside of the Super Bowl year. 

I don't particularly want to pay whatever running QB that huge paycheck, when I could put 3-6  hybrid running QBs on the field for almost nothing.

I'm not interested at all in Minshew, all I know is that he's not as good a runner as Hurts, and what I want are the best runners possible.  I'm much more interested in seeing what Tyree Jackson can do as a QB.  Which isn't saying Minshew is bad, I'm just not interested.

These running QBs aren't going to be better at running in 10 years, it doesn't take them long to apply their superior running in the NFL.  You can bring them in, and they can win immediately.  Cheap running QBs in system that has the QB run a lot.  Not spending much on the offense, really.   So spend on defense and make that great.  And I really like players like Greg Ward Jr and Tyree Jackson who could be taking snaps at QB or could be standing elsewhere, doing other things. 

Draft a running QB or 2 on day 3,  basically free.  D'eriq King (Houston/Miami)  Emory Jones (Florida)  Brian Johnson coached them both. 

I'm pretty sure the better teams in the league endorse your plan -- for the Eagles. They could be like the Patriots and Jets, 2 wins for the Patriots in July. A win vs. the Eagles in July.

12 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

I would like them to sign a veteran wide receiver to start opposite Smith. Still give Watkins looks, but I'm not convinced he or Reagor are good enough as number 2s. I'd also see if we can extend Nelson for a year. Solid veteran presence.

But would love to see all 3 first round picks on the D. A DE, a LB and some help in the secondary. Mix in some OL help in the second or third.

Ideally, I'd want the same as you on D - front, middle, back. 

But, overall, what I like are the top athletic freaks with possible positional versatility.  The 2 players I liked the most in the last draft were Oweh who was drafted at the end of the 1st and Spencer Brown OT, drafted in the 3rd by the Bills.   Those are the kinds of players I like,  crazy off the charts athleticism,  D and OL with the abilities to run catch block and pass.

Ideally,  when the Eagles are picking, 3 times,  there is a top freak sparq leader who played QB on offense in high school, ran for 1000 yards every year, but was a better prospect on defense,   one a DB one a LB and one a DL.   They wanted to turn Liberty's Malik Willis into a DB,  he probably prefers being considered as a future first rounder at QB.   If the Eagles could get him in the 2nd,  he might be a good choice.  If it was the first, then there's that whole "It's Malik's team now" and that's not what you want.   You'd like to have a procession of QBs,  pretty similar types, all on cheap rookie salaries.  Not a hunt for a guy who you can throw huge amounts of money at forever.  

I haven't really started to look at the draft too much.  I did notice that there are not a lot of QBs, WRs, RBs, TEs, and there seem to be a lot of DL at the top, also a bunch of OL.   I'd be looking at those.   If there is a freak beast on OL,  and if there isn't a freak beast LB or DB,  I'd probably want the OL.    Holes can be filled through free agency.  It seems like maybe the Eagles might want to spend some of that Wentz savings on another top quality cornerback. 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I think the identity is a power run team, the run style quarterback, running backs, shaky wide receivers, and far better suited to run block than pass block offensive line supports that. The Eagles are currently 11th in PPG that’s not to shabby for a team that showed as many offensive flaws as before. They have also cut down all those stupid illegal man downfield penalties thanks to throwing less of this screens. This team needs to embrace their identity of a power run team until the quarterback becomes more accurate and the receivers get better. 

Great post and should be pinned into the coaching staffs head every week before game-planing for  the next opponent