Jason Peters Returning?

[UK_EaglesFan89]

36 minutes ago, stinkfist said:

Who hasn't said it? It's been over the course of two months, but at this point I'm pretty sure the list is Tim McManus, Jimmy Kempski, Tommy Lawlor, Derrick Gunn, Brandon Lee Gowton, etc, etc. 

None of those are coaches last time I checked though...

[JetroLot]

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

None of those are coaches last time I checked though...

It's amazing how differently you particularly talk to people when they switch a screen name. 🤣

If you want me to talk to you like you're 3 years old, I can. 

You see, information like this doesn't just come out of thin air. It originates somewhere. People have agendas. Writers don't sit around and say, "Hey, I'm just going to completely make something up today" when they cover a specific football team. Why? Because they have to talk to those same coaches to get information from them. 

So, Press Taylor may have had a bad day. Might tell Joe Blow Reporter in confidence, "Hey, I don't like this guy and here's why and we may move him..."

I am guessing in your world, that isn't possible. I'm guessing that you think these beat writers that knew next to NOTHING when Andy Reid was around, all the sudden are getting information right constantly? I'm guessing you don't think that social media has effected that? That a coach having a pissy fit one day and blurting something out doesn't get tossed on Twitter in a heartbeat? 

Sit down before you hurt yourself. Maybe go follow Gillingham or something. 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

2 hours ago, stinkfist said:

It's amazing how differently you particularly talk to people when they switch a screen name. 🤣

I don't really pay much attention to the screen name. Only if I recognise it but its what the post says that matters. 

I guess you're probably too stupid to understand when someone is being flippant.

[EazyEaglez]

15 hours ago, DoWorx said:

what happened to the Rugby guy?

He’s a rugby guy.

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

None of those are coaches last time I checked though...

The coach said he wanted Peters back months ago. 

[EazyEaglez]

15 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Perhaps Covid19 and not being able to work directly with Dillard throughout the spring and summer has prompted this 180 from the Eagles.

There have been grumblings about Dillard being mentioned by the media for sometime now. Covid19 does keep the Eagles from working with this kid as much as they liked, but the Eagles told you back in February they wanted Peters back.

"In Indy, Eagles GM Howie Roseman did not shut the door on a Jason Peters return. Said it’s a good problem to have excess of quality linemen.“

 

"Doug Pederson wants Jason Peters back. Howie Roseman won’t say what Eagles will do at left tackle.”

 

https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/25/eagles-doug-pederson-jason-peters-returns-for-2020-season/

If you recall even the letter goodbye to Peters left the door open for a return. 

 

[DeathByEagle]

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

He’s a rugby guy.

The coach said he wanted Peters back months ago. 

He also said he wanted Mike Groh back.

At this point, I dont think what Doug wants matters. Hes not making much decisions on this team. he can say what he wants, wont make the FO listen. 

[EazyEaglez]

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

He also said he wanted Mike Groh back.

At this point, I dont think what Doug wants matters. Hes not making much decisions on this team. he can say what he wants, wont make the FO listen. 

Even in the so called goodbye tweet the Eagles sort of left the door open for Peters to come back. I think Groh would have been back if Doug’s only opposition was Howie, but the owner pushed the override button on that one. 

[Talonblood]

Howie must have taken up drug experimentation is his life. This guy is making the most non-sensical decisions I've ever seen from him. He has made some doozie's in the past, but this year- he must be taking the strong stuff.  

[EazyEaglez]

3 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

Howie must have taken up drug experimentation is his life. This guy is making the most non-sensical decisions I've ever seen from him. He has made some doozie's in the past, but this year- he must be taking the strong stuff.  

Make no mistake about it. Howie isn’t going out and getting people without some kind of approval from the coach. Howie has been a little sporadic this offseason for sure though. 

[DeathByEagle]

52 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Even in the so called goodbye tweet the Eagles sort of left the door open for Peters to come back. I think Groh would have been back if Doug’s only opposition was Howie, but the owner pushed the override button on that one. 

IDK, I still dont think Doug gets much of any say. If you saw his reactions to the draft picks, didnt look like he was too happy until he thought the camera was on. During his interview with Howie on PE.com after the Hurts pick, It honestly looked like the 3 of them were in a fight and were pissed at each other. 

I think Doug voices out what he feels would be best but in the end Howie runs the show and he and Lurie have the only real say. 

Now does that mean Peters can come back I think yes cause Lurie loves him. Do I want him back? No. Do I think Doug saying he wanted him back matters? No. 

[weko]

On 5/2/2020 at 10:51 AM, EazyEaglez said:

I don't see Peters coming back as a backup. The guy has too much clout with the owner and the FO. If he's back it's to be as a starter unfortunately. Here's the real issue though. If they thought Dillard was ready this isn't even an option. 

Exactly

[weko]

22 hours ago, NOTW said:

Lane Johnson in the same interview where he vaguely said he thinks JP could be back, said this about Dillard.

"I think Andre will be ready," Johnson said.  "Just like me, coming in, I had some ups and downs in my rookie year. But that's when you learn the most. As far as athleticism, I think he'll be ready"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/lane-johnson-thinks-eagles-may-180731278.html

A backhanded compliment if there ever was one.  Johnson's way of communicating without violating the strict Dilbert policy to not publicly criticize on the record anyone within or outside of the organization.  The fact may be he's another in a long list of soft as Charmin Pac 12 players, both physically and more important emotionally/mentally.  We can only hope that's the not the way it plays out.  We'll know by the start of the season.  I find it interesting that Howie never met with Dillard before drafting him.  I wonder which scouts/evaluators did?

[EazyEaglez]

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

IDK, I still dont think Doug gets much of any say. If you saw his reactions to the draft picks, didnt look like he was too happy until he thought the camera was on. During his interview with Howie on PE.com after the Hurts pick, It honestly looked like the 3 of them were in a fight and were pissed at each other. 

I think Doug voices out what he feels would be best but in the end Howie runs the show and he and Lurie have the only real say. 

Now does that mean Peters can come back I think yes cause Lurie loves him. Do I want him back? No. Do I think Doug saying he wanted him back matters? No. 

Funny when I saw the Hurts pick Doug was all smiles. He sure looked happy to me. Doug does have some clout in the organization. If he wants Peters back he can get him, because frankly the cost won’t be that high. The owner loves Peters. The online coach loves Peters. Seems like everyone involved wouldn’t mind him back except maybe Howie so he can prove his draft pick wasn’t a failure, but it was Howie reportedly the one trying to trade Dillard so there’s that. 

[NOTW]

54 minutes ago, weko said:

A backhanded compliment if there ever was one.  Johnson's way of communicating without violating the strict Dilbert policy to not publicly criticize on the record anyone within or outside of the organization.  The fact may be he's another in a long list of soft as Charmin Pac 12 players, both physically and more important emotionally/mentally.  We can only hope that's the not the way it plays out.  We'll know by the start of the season.  I find it interesting that Howie never met with Dillard before drafting him.  I wonder which scouts/evaluators did?

I don't see that as backhanded at all, and Lane has several times spoken his mind, you have him confused with some other player? E.g. after Scandrick's comments last year he said guys showing up to meetings late. As for not meeting with him...

30 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Funny when I saw the Hurts pick Doug was all smiles. He sure looked happy to me. Doug does have some clout in the organization. If he wants Peters back he can get him, because frankly the cost won’t be that high. The owner loves Peters. The online coach loves Peters. Seems like everyone involved wouldn’t mind him back except maybe Howie so he can prove his draft pick wasn’t a failure, but it was Howie reportedly the one trying to trade Dillard so there’s that. 

Stoutland loved Dillard and pushed for him, they never expected him to fall. They had him rated highly and Stoutland had very high praise for him. Howie said he doesn't meet with every pick expected to go higher. They were excited he fell to them. 

Here's Stoutland on scouting and drafting Dillard:

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/how-jeff-stoutland-last-minute-phone-call-helped-eagles-land-andre-dillard

 

"He knew the Eagles were very interested in drafting Andre Dillard in the first round if he dropped down into the 20s.

But because Dillard was projected to be gone long before the Eagles picked at 25, Stoutland never had a chance to visit him at Washington State.

 

I like when you go out to the school, you get a chance the night before you go sit down with him, you sit in the classroom, the next morning you wake up, you do the workout, and if there’s anything else you need to do you hang around a little longer,” Stoutland said. "I didn’t have that chance to do that with him. … You try to make sure you know everything about every player, but to be honest with you, everybody thought he was kind of out of our reach. You can’t go everywhere. You can’t go out and visit all the players and work them all out. It’s impossible. There’s not enough time.

But Stoutland wasn’t comfortable enough to really go to bat for him. Not yet.

If the Eagles were on the clock and owner Jeff Lurie or executive vice president of football operations suddenly asked Stoutland some crucial questions about Dillard, did he truly have the answers?

When Mr. Lurie or Howie asks me a question about a particular player, I better have an answer, that’s my job,” Stoutland said Monday. "With (Dillard), I needed more information.

What exactly was Stout looking for? 

"Just the football intelligence part of it and how important is the game, the whole makeup,” he said. "I wanted to just double back on it all.”

It was way too late to bring Dillard into Philly or set up a visit on campus.

So five days before the draft, on what would have been a normal, quiet day off for the veteran offensive line coach, Stoutland decided to call Dillard and just try to get a better feel for who he was as a person and as a player.

"My wife goes, ‘Where are you going?’” Stoutland recalled. 

"And I said, ‘Look, I’m going in the other room, everybody just leave me alone for a little bit, I need to make one phone call and I’m good for the rest of the day.’”

Most mock drafts and draft analysts had Dillard going in that 12-18 range, with some projecting him a little higher and some a little lower.

Stoutland knew he could be wasting his time, contacting a kid who was projected to be long gone by the time it was the Eagles’ turn to draft.

But he picked up the phone anyway.

I called him, it was early in the morning, he said, ‘Give me half an hour,’ and then he called back and we Skyped and I had a chance to speak to him,” Stoutland said. “(I told him), ‘You never know in the draft what can happen,’ and I said I’m just making sure. We had a nice conversation. … I felt very, very comfortable and very good with that conversation. Never thought anything would come of it, to be quite honest with you.

On draft day, with the legendary position coach now comfortable with Dillard and Dillard dropping, the Eagles moved up three spots to select him at No. 22.

"You’re sitting there watching the draft and they’re selecting all the defensive linemen and now all the (offensive line) quality is getting pushed back and you’re saying, ‘Holy cow, we might have a shot at this,’” Stoutland said. "And it all worked out.”

[DBW]

On 5/2/2020 at 2:37 PM, D-Shiznit said:

There are only 2 ways this makes sense, as I see it:

1) Eagles know how important a backup LT is, and JP is the best fit there is on the market for that role.

2) Dillard is not who we thought he was going to be, as a result Eagles are bringing JP in to start.

If Dillard wasn’t what they thought, they would have drafted a new Tackle and/or signed the best available FA left tackle.  

[JetroLot]

12 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

 

I guess you're probably too stupid to understand when someone is being flippant.

Oh no, I got it. That's why I answered you like you were 3. You clearly don't understand the game of football or how media operates. 

That's why you had to be "flippant" to begin with. 

All good. Again, the Premier League is probably more your speed. 

Not sure how you trust who the media tells you is in the starting lineup, what the schedule is or who is injured for a game. I mean, a coach didn't say it. 🙄

Chav. 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

5 hours ago, stinkfist said:

Oh no, I got it. That's why I answered you like you were 3. You clearly don't understand the game of football or how media operates. 

You really aren't worth my breath. People like you are just sad and pathetic.

Go lose some weight, so eating all those sweets and get out of your Momma's basement. 

[JetroLot]

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

 

Go lose some weight, so eating all those sweets and get out of your Momma's basement. 

 

[XoqTionR]

On 5/3/2020 at 1:40 AM, Muz86 said:

I must be literally the only person that actually thought for a rookie Dillard played pretty well last season filling in for peters. I can’t remember him getting consistently beat, or the line looking that much different. Granted he does need to handle bull rushes better, but he was a rookie.

I actually feel they played better... Love Peter's, is a legend, but time is up.

[Muz86]

3 hours ago, XoqTionR said:

I actually feel they played better... Love Peter's, is a legend, but time is up.

Yeh I mean from a football perspective this whole narrative is very confusing to me. Perhaps another Shaun Andrews situation?

[Traveler Vic]

On 5/2/2020 at 11:39 AM, eagle45 said:

If Peters does re-sign, then we really should just keep trading all our draft picks for proven vets, because we aren't going to be drafting anyone to help us win.

Amen

[weko]

10 hours ago, DBW said:

If Dillard wasn’t what they thought, they would have drafted a new Tackle and/or signed the best available FA left tackle.  

Actually neither of those things would have happened.  There are no good LTs that make it to free agency.  When the rare older ones like Solder do, you have to massively overpay for declining production and sacrifice cap room.  They wouldn't draft another LT the next year either.  They would wait until they knew for sure and politically it would never fly with the personnel dept to admit they had blown their 1st round pick just 12 months later.  

[Cochis_Calhoun]

There hasn't been a single story about Peters being in discussions with anyone else, even people kicking the tyres and finding out what he's after, I appreciate it's an odd off season, but it doesn't speak well of the rest of the leagues opinions of where Peters is at this stage of his career. It would be a mistake to bring him back.

Dillard was fine at Left Tackle and struggled on the right, I've said before I'd rather have a good specialist left tackle than an average swing tackle.

The question everyone would need to ask if there was any truth in that they have little confidence in Dillard, after letting Peters go, why did they let Vaitai walk as well?

[Snoop88]

17 hours ago, Talonblood said:

Howie must have taken up drug experimentation is his life. This guy is making the most non-sensical decisions I've ever seen from him. He has made some doozie's in the past, but this year- he must be taking the strong stuff.  

Howie just got really lucky in 2017.   He’s the same mediocre GM he’s always been. 

[EazyEaglez]

14 hours ago, NOTW said:

I don't see that as backhanded at all, and Lane has several times spoken his mind, you have him confused with some other player? E.g. after Scandrick's comments last year he said guys showing up to meetings late. As for not meeting with him...

Stoutland loved Dillard and pushed for him, they never expected him to fall. They had him rated highly and Stoutland had very high praise for him. Howie said he doesn't meet with every pick expected to go higher. They were excited he fell to them. 

Here's Stoutland on scouting and drafting Dillard:

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/how-jeff-stoutland-last-minute-phone-call-helped-eagles-land-andre-dillard

 

"He knew the Eagles were very interested in drafting Andre Dillard in the first round if he dropped down into the 20s.

But because Dillard was projected to be gone long before the Eagles picked at 25, Stoutland never had a chance to visit him at Washington State.

 

I like when you go out to the school, you get a chance the night before you go sit down with him, you sit in the classroom, the next morning you wake up, you do the workout, and if there’s anything else you need to do you hang around a little longer,” Stoutland said. "I didn’t have that chance to do that with him. … You try to make sure you know everything about every player, but to be honest with you, everybody thought he was kind of out of our reach. You can’t go everywhere. You can’t go out and visit all the players and work them all out. It’s impossible. There’s not enough time.

But Stoutland wasn’t comfortable enough to really go to bat for him. Not yet.

If the Eagles were on the clock and owner Jeff Lurie or executive vice president of football operations suddenly asked Stoutland some crucial questions about Dillard, did he truly have the answers?

When Mr. Lurie or Howie asks me a question about a particular player, I better have an answer, that’s my job,” Stoutland said Monday. "With (Dillard), I needed more information.

What exactly was Stout looking for? 

"Just the football intelligence part of it and how important is the game, the whole makeup,” he said. "I wanted to just double back on it all.”

It was way too late to bring Dillard into Philly or set up a visit on campus.

So five days before the draft, on what would have been a normal, quiet day off for the veteran offensive line coach, Stoutland decided to call Dillard and just try to get a better feel for who he was as a person and as a player.

"My wife goes, ‘Where are you going?’” Stoutland recalled. 

"And I said, ‘Look, I’m going in the other room, everybody just leave me alone for a little bit, I need to make one phone call and I’m good for the rest of the day.’”

Most mock drafts and draft analysts had Dillard going in that 12-18 range, with some projecting him a little higher and some a little lower.

Stoutland knew he could be wasting his time, contacting a kid who was projected to be long gone by the time it was the Eagles’ turn to draft.

But he picked up the phone anyway.

I called him, it was early in the morning, he said, ‘Give me half an hour,’ and then he called back and we Skyped and I had a chance to speak to him,” Stoutland said. “(I told him), ‘You never know in the draft what can happen,’ and I said I’m just making sure. We had a nice conversation. … I felt very, very comfortable and very good with that conversation. Never thought anything would come of it, to be quite honest with you.

On draft day, with the legendary position coach now comfortable with Dillard and Dillard dropping, the Eagles moved up three spots to select him at No. 22.

"You’re sitting there watching the draft and they’re selecting all the defensive linemen and now all the (offensive line) quality is getting pushed back and you’re saying, ‘Holy cow, we might have a shot at this,’” Stoutland said. "And it all worked out.”

Stoutland loved Chance Warmak too. Just cause he loved a guy doesn’t mean he can change them.