5 hours ago, weko said:

Actually neither of those things would have happened.  There are no good LTs that make it to free agency.  When the rare older ones like Solder do, you have to massively overpay for declining production and sacrifice cap room.  They wouldn't draft another LT the next year either.  They would wait until they knew for sure and politically it would never fly with the personnel dept to admit they had blown their 1st round pick just 12 months later.  

If you bring peters back you basically admit you blew that pick, so if you think you did blow it, you fix that mistake and lick your wounds.  You trade for tunsil if you want to secure the left side for 10 years.  There’s gotta be some options that aren’t 38 and washed up that are better than Dillard if you think Dillard is a complete bust.  

I feel like if Peters wants to continue playing, the Eagles should welcome him back open arms. How can they tell him to take a hike? Ultimately he'd be a great backup option to Dillard. But I don't know how they can tell him to take a backseat role to Dillard either. Then Peters probably starts at LT, but I don't see him staying healthy while playing 16-games+.

99.9% sure that Peters is coming back...

Will Dillard beat him out at the position though?

I want Peters back under these conditions:

1.  We want Peters to compete for the starting job.

2.  We hope Dillard wins the starting job.

3.  Regardless of who wins the starting job Peters mentors the youngsters like the leader he is and like the mentor Josh McCown was.

4.  Peters comes in on a lower salary incentive laden deal.  
 

If Peters comes in under those circumstances it’s a no lose situation.  We need the depth and the continuity might help given the lack of an off-season this year.  

39 minutes ago, Birdman said:

99.9% sure that Peters is coming back...

Will Dillard beat him out at the position though?

Peters is only coming back if Dillard is already beaten.  They are not signing a 38 year old...future HOF'er who is friends with the owner and refuses to suffer the indignity of being a starting LG...just to compete at LT.  

I don't know if he is or is not coming back.  No idea.  But if he does...it's a 100% guarantee he starts until he gets injured.  

5 minutes ago, Phillyfanatic said:

I want Peters back under these conditions:

1.  We want Peters to compete for the starting job.  He'd be handed it.

2.  We hope Dillard wins the starting job.  Peters only comes back if the Eagles FEAR, not hope, Dillard wins the starting job.

3.  Regardless of who wins the starting job Peters mentors the youngsters like the leader he is and like the mentor Josh McCown was.  Peters wasn't too overflowing with eager mentorship when he once discussed Lane at LT.  Perhaps he has changed with age.  HOF players generally do not respond well to mentoring their replacements.  Too competitive.

4.  Peters comes in on a lower salary incentive laden deal.  No one else in the NFL wants him, so this would happen.
 

If Peters comes in under those circumstances it’s a no lose situation.  We need the depth and the continuity might help given the lack of an off-season this year.  

I don't think those circumstances will ever be valid.

25 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't think those circumstances will ever be valid.

Wouldn't it be Peters only comes back if the Eagles FEAR, not hope, Dillard wins loses the starting job. ?

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Wouldn't it be Peters only comes back if the Eagles FEAR, not hope, Dillard wins loses the starting job. ?

Well, they fear Dillard starting and hope he loses the job...

12 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Stoutland loved Chance Warmak too. Just cause he loved a guy doesn’t mean he can change them. 

So? The question was who scouted him. The implication being Howie never met him and made a bad pick. Well, they scouted him and had him rated highly and Stoutland wanted him.

10 hours ago, DBW said:

If you bring peters back you basically admit you blew that pick, so if you think you did blow it, you fix that mistake and lick your wounds.  You trade for tunsil if you want to secure the left side for 10 years.  There’s gotta be some options that aren’t 38 and washed up that are better than Dillard if you think Dillard is a complete bust.  

We'll see about Dillard.  Hopefully he can play.  They'll give him every opportunity as he was a 1st round pick.  If he can't they'll probably fill in with Peters and draft or trade for a starting caliber LT a year from now.  Wouldn't happen before then, as at this point of the year team's rosters are set.  The next window to acquire a LT would be at final cuts, when a team sees that one of their younger and cheaper players can take over for an aging vet.  

It seems pretty clear that the Eagles think Dillard is soft. There was the whole right tackle debacle, where Dillard didn't come off too well with his comments, and there have been reports of "multiple emotional episodes" during his rookie season.

If Peters comes back, and I think he will, then we should be very concerned about the LT position going forward and the possibility of another wasted 1st round pick.

13 hours ago, weko said:

We'll see about Dillard.  Hopefully he can play.  They'll give him every opportunity as he was a 1st round pick.  If he can't they'll probably fill in with Peters and draft or trade for a starting caliber LT a year from now.

We have already drafted one guy we thought could do the job, so the chances of hitting on another draft pick seem remote.

As far as finding one from another team, if Vaitai is getting a contract like the one he got, any decent starter is going to cost a lot in terms of draft capital and price, which is money we don't have.

The problem with Dillard is that he gets pushed around. I am not sure he will ever be able to overcome that problem. If he hasn't developed the strength to do the job by now,  it's hard to imagine him getting much bigger/stronger at his age.

The tackle position is just really tough. I watched a lot of film of the guy the Giants took at number four, and that kid is going to struggle. He was terrible at picking up stunts and tended to reach, which is death for an OT. I also think Whirfs is going to struggle, and Becton is simply Jordan Mailata, who was able to dominate in college with no technique at all.

The fact no other team has signed Jason Peters leads me to believe he no longer has value to this team.

They let Big V walk, which leads me to believe they think Dillard is probably at least good enough to play.

They reportedly shopped Dillard, which leads me to believe they don't think he's a stud.

Mailata is a cute story.

 

What does it all mean? Nothing, which is what you are about to become.

Keeping Vaitai wasn't an option. His market value was well beyond what we're able to pay, and probably beyond what he's worth.

So at what point does Gunn's report look like someone trying to throw some crap at the wall and hope it sticks. I mean, with Peters still unsigned how big of a stretch is it to think he might come back. 

10 hours ago, ckudrick said:

It seems pretty clear that the Eagles think Dillard is soft. There was the whole right tackle debacle, where Dillard didn't come off too well with his comments, and there have been reports of "multiple emotional episodes" during his rookie season.

If Peters comes back, and I think he will, then we should be very concerned about the LT position going forward and the possibility of another wasted 1st round pick.

Stoutland took blame for throwing him at RT with no reps, then after the season said he had since given Dillard reps at RT and he was improving there.  Regardless, he was drafted to be the LT.

Lane Johnson had to play LT once when Peters was hurt, he had all week in practice to prepare and he struggled.  Last week Lane even acknowledged his own rookie struggles and that he thinks Dillard will be ready.

On the "emotional" and "soft" comments, I see this as a false narrative.  I don't know what everyone has against Dillard to spread the fake news.  He got angry in camp when Barnett hit Wentz, he was protecting his QB (that's not soft) and got into a fight (that's not soft).  Brandon Brooks said he and the rest of the O line liked seeing that passion from him.  McClane is the one who reported that incident and he said that he couldn't see that well because he was far away and people were all around on the practice field.  But he said Doug encouraged Dillard afterward.  

I swear some of these reporters just have it out to get Dillard for some reason.  Doug and Stout both said he was improving, called him phenomenal, Brooks and Lane have both said positive things about Dillard.  Lane has no filter and doesn't need to tow the company line.

And if they don't believe in Dillard, why let JP and Big V walk in free agency?  

The narrative doesn't hold up.

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

So at what point does Gunn's report look like someone trying to throw some crap at the wall and hope it sticks. I mean, with Peters still unsigned how big of a stretch is it to think he might come back. 

They made a statement ending JP's career here and wishing him well.  We always thought if he tested FA and didn't get signed, that they could bring him back cheap.  But then the team has the leverage instead of JP demanding more money.

JP said for several years he refused to move to Guard.  Now if what Gunn says is true, he refuses to be a backup even going back to the Eagles?

No wonder he can't get signed.

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

They made a statement ending JP's career here and wishing him well.  We always thought if he tested FA and didn't get signed, that they could bring him back cheap.  But then the team has the leverage instead of JP demanding more money.

JP said for several years he refused to move to Guard.  Now if what Gunn says is true, he refuses to be a backup even going back to the Eagles?

No wonder he can't get signed.

I pointed this out a few days ago and I stand by it. If the Eagles have done a 180 with Peters/Dillard it's due to the fact that Covid19 has taken away their ability to spend field time with Dillard and coach him up over a few month period before camp.

On 5/4/2020 at 9:03 PM, NOTW said:

So? The question was who scouted him. The implication being Howie never met him and made a bad pick. Well, they scouted him and had him rated highly and Stoutland wanted him.

It doesn’t matter who scouted him. If he’s not ready then he’s not ready. They wouldn’t be floating his name in everything if they had 100% confidence in him. Usually the you kid drafted in the first round eventually takes the job away from the older vet (especially a guy on the last year of his deal) and by the end of the season is starting. Didn’t happen between Dillard and Peters. This kid could have come personally trained by Orlando Pace. It doesn’t matter if the kid isn’t up for the task or isn't ready or frankly isn’t good. Warmack was the 7th pick in the draft and trained by Stoutland. He thought he could revitalize his career. He was wrong. 

23 hours ago, T-1000 said:

So at what point does Gunn's report look like someone trying to throw some crap at the wall and hope it sticks. I mean, with Peters still unsigned how big of a stretch is it to think he might come back. 

There’s no rush to get anything done with Peters. It’s not really in the best interest of either side to sign right now. I see something happening closer to the season starting than now. 

Let Dillard play. He'll either sink or swim

On 5/5/2020 at 12:42 PM, ckudrick said:

It seems pretty clear that the Eagles think Dillard is soft. There was the whole right tackle debacle, where Dillard didn't come off too well with his comments, and there have been reports of "multiple emotional episodes" during his rookie season.

If Peters comes back, and I think he will, then we should be very concerned about the LT position going forward and the possibility of another wasted 1st round pick.

We all know Peters at best last season was above average to somewhat good. He wasn’t close to the all pro he used to be and Andre Dillard couldn’t even beat him out at any point last season. Really if Dillard was the better player you would think at some point he takes over just like Miles Sanders did. It never happened and now we see reports they tried to shop him. The fact the Eagles are entertaining ideas to bring back Peters shows they’re not complete sold on the kid. 

Bring him back as a third tight end.  

21 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

We all know Peters at best last season was above average to somewhat good. He wasn’t close to the all pro he used to be and Andre Dillard couldn’t even beat him out at any point last season. Really if Dillard was the better player you would think at some point he takes over just like Miles Sanders did. It never happened and now we see reports they tried to shop him. The fact the Eagles are entertaining ideas to bring back Peters shows they’re not complete sold on the kid. 

In defense of Dillard, I don't think that.  Doug is pathologically loyal.  He'd force the ball to Sproles who hasn't belonged in the NFL for years.

I don't think any act of God would have prompted Doug to bench Peters and put in Dillard last year.

And if they DO bring in Peters for 2020...same thing...even if a light magically clicks for Dillard, you won't know it until Peters is either hurt or it's 2022.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

In defense of Dillard, I don't think that.  Doug is pathologically loyal.  He'd force the ball to Sproles who hasn't belonged in the NFL for years.

I don't think any act of God would have prompted Doug to bench Peters and put in Dillard last year.

And if they DO bring in Peters for 2020...same thing...even if a light magically clicks for Dillard, you won't know it until Peters is either hurt or it's 2022.

Even though Sproles played Sanders was the guy. Doug moved Wiz out for Seumalo. There are examples, and frankly if Dillard would have been better at protecting Wentz than Peters he should have been out there.