Broncos interested in Peters.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/predominantlyorange.com/2020/05/12/broncos-news-lurking-jason-peters/amp/

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Rumors are JP turned down offers to come back to the Eagles. If Dillard were as good as everyone assumes this wouldn't even be considered. 

Today I watched the all 22 of Dillard against the Bears, and it wasn't that inspiring. He looked good at times, but other times he was just simply overwhelmed. The good news was that he was never beat cleanly, so he wasn't going to get Carson killed. And he was going up against some of the toughest pass rushers in the NFL. But I think he gave up two sacks and a number of pressures, so it wasn't great.

If he gets stronger, I think he's a pro-bowl type player. But that's a big if. As far as Peters, I think bringing him back won't be good for anyone. He's not going to make it through an entire season, so at some point Dillard is going to have to be in there. They may as well hand things over to him now and  see if he sinks or swims. They can always give him some help, a la Vaitai, as they are really good at the other four spots.  

Overall it just seems like the Eagles have doubts about Dillard. I don’t think the virus is helping as they can’t really keep tabs on him and they don’t have OTAs. Whatever they have been looking for from him it seems like they’re not getting it yet. 

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

And if JP were as good as some think he’d be signed.

Those rumors are agent driven.  

You can confirm they’re agent driven? 

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

You can confirm they’re agent driven? 

You can confirm they’re not?  Because I can confirm he’s still unemployed.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

You can confirm they’re not?  Because I can confirm he’s still unemployed.

So you can’t confirm they’re agent driven. Got it. 

30 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

So you can’t confirm they’re agent driven. Got it. 

And you can’t confirm anyone has any interest in him to be their LT.  
 

When a guy is sitting on his a** publishing YouTube videos so someone will make him an offer, the onus would be on you to confirm there is interest, not on me to confirm that reported phone calls are agent driven.

8 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Overall it just seems like the Eagles have doubts about Dillard. I don’t think the virus is helping as they can’t really keep tabs on him and they don’t have OTAs. Whatever they have been looking for from him it seems like they’re not getting it yet. 

We don't know that at all.  A couple reporters speculating doesn't line up with the fact of what they have done:  they let JP and Big V both walk in free agency.  You absolutely do not do that if you have any doubts about Dillard.  Letting JP - a Hall of Famer - test free agency and leaving the possibility of bringing him back doesn't mean they aren't comfortable with Dillard as starter.  He hasn't been signed by another team so the leverage moves toward the Eagles with every passing week to get a more team friendly contract if they do re-sign him.  I personally think JP is done and time to move on but if they see it as bringing back talent to help the O line whether starting and letting Dillard continue to develop or backup Dillard either way they see it as talent added (from the home of the QB factory).

They let JP and HV go in March.  A month later leading up to the draft the rumor started from 1 reporter again about trading Dillard.  What changed from March to April?  They were confident in Dillard at the end of the season with their praise for him.  Stoutland said it was his fault for not giving him RT reps and that he's since given him reps at RT and he's improving.  Doug said he was doing phenomenal.  They follow that up by letting the other 2 experienced LT's go in free agency.  No way in hell you let both of them go if you have "doubts" about Dillard.

This is completely media made up narrative.  So what changed from March to April?  

The fact that he’s still unemployed tells you all you need to know.   Bottom line.  
 

His agent can try to drum up all the manufactured interest he wants.   No one wants him.  

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

We don't know that at all.  A couple reporters speculating doesn't line up with the fact of what they have done:  they let JP and Big V both walk in free agency.  You absolutely do not do that if you have any doubts about Dillard.  Letting JP - a Hall of Famer - test free agency and leaving the possibility of bringing him back doesn't mean they aren't comfortable with Dillard as starter.  He hasn't been signed by another team so the leverage moves toward the Eagles with every passing week to get a more team friendly contract if they do re-sign him.  I personally think JP is done and time to move on but if they see it as bringing back talent to help the O line whether starting and letting Dillard continue to develop or backup Dillard either way they see it as talent added (from the home of the QB factory).

They let JP and HV go in March.  A month later leading up to the draft the rumor started from 1 reporter again about trading Dillard.  What changed from March to April?  They were confident in Dillard at the end of the season with their praise for him.  Stoutland said it was his fault for not giving him RT reps and that he's since given him reps at RT and he's improving.  Doug said he was doing phenomenal.  They follow that up by letting the other 2 experienced LT's go in free agency.  No way in hell you let both of them go if you have "doubts" about Dillard.

This is completely media made up narrative.  So what changed from March to April?  

If the Eagles bring back a "done player" who is a HOF player he first off isn't coming back to be a backup and secondly if he's "done" the other guy must be worse. Funny though, cause most of you ate up the media crap that Alshon was the one who bad mouthed Wentz and that he was being trade too. Where were you on that one?

6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

If the Eagles bring back a "done player" who is a HOF player he first off isn't coming back to be a backup and secondly if he's "done" the other guy must be worse. Funny though, cause most of you ate up the media crap that Alshon was the one who bad mouthed Wentz and that he was being trade too. Where were you on that one?

Don't lump people together, I didn't "eat up" the Alshon rumors.  I've said i don't want Alshon back for on the field reasons.  I also said that the Eagles themselves know if Alshon is a problem in the locker room or not, forget what reporters speculate with click bait.  You're doing that thing where people say "the same people who___ are the same people who ___" with no basis.  I've consistently said these rumors from reporters don't have merit especially if they don't line up with the team's actions.

Anyway, back to Peters.  You didn't answer my question at all.  What changed from March to April?  And why let Big V and JP walk in free agency if you aren't sold on Dillard?

You are assuming the Eagles bring back JP to start.  Gunn says JP wants to start somewhere.  He's not signed yet so no teams want him as their starter at least yet.  Teams were waiting to see what happened after the draft and he's still not signed almost a month later.  

We don't know if the Eagles will sign him, and if they do we don't know if they would have him as the starter or backup.  So you're speculating.  Like with the QB position, if they decide to collect talent and have backups prepared for injury it doesn't mean they don't trust Dillard.  JP is a special player.  He's been a best and is going into the HOF.  They also traded up for Dillard and let JP and Big V go in free agency.  That alone says they trust Dillard to start going forward.

IF they bring JP back that's great, they feel they have another LT to shore up the O line.  If he starts it's almost a guarantee he gets hurt and doesn't play a full season.  If he's a backup, then you have an experienced backup or insurance policy.  It doesn't mean they don't trust Dillard, it just means they have Dillard as the starter but as a bonus if they get JP back to add talent.

Again, if they didn't trust Dillard, why let JP and Big V walk?  If JP signed elsewhere we wouldn't be having this conversation.  

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Don't lump people together, I didn't "eat up" the Alshon rumors.  I've said i don't want Alshon back for on the field reasons.  I also said that the Eagles themselves know if Alshon is a problem in the locker room or not, forget what reporters speculate with click bait.  You're doing that thing where people say "the same people who___ are the same people who ___" with no basis.  I've consistently said these rumors from reporters don't have merit especially if they don't line up with the team's actions.

Anyway, back to Peters.  You didn't answer my question at all.  What changed from March to April?  And why let Big V and JP walk in free agency if you aren't sold on Dillard?

You are assuming the Eagles bring back JP to start.  Gunn says JP wants to start somewhere.  He's not signed yet so no teams want him as their starter at least yet.  Teams were waiting to see what happened after the draft and he's still not signed almost a month later.  

We don't know if the Eagles will sign him, and if they do we don't know if they would have him as the starter or backup.  So you're speculating.  Like with the QB position, if they decide to collect talent and have backups prepared for injury it doesn't mean they don't trust Dillard.  JP is a special player.  He's been a best and is going into the HOF.  They also traded up for Dillard and let JP and Big V go in free agency.  That alone says they trust Dillard to start going forward.

IF they bring JP back that's great, they feel they have another LT to shore up the O line.  If he starts it's almost a guarantee he gets hurt and doesn't play a full season.  If he's a backup, then you have an experienced backup or insurance policy.  It doesn't mean they don't trust Dillard, it just means they have Dillard as the starter but as a bonus if they get JP back to add talent.

Again, if they didn't trust Dillard, why let JP and Big V walk?  If JP signed elsewhere we wouldn't be having this conversation.  

"Doug was a little more upfront, and I did a double take when he said this:

 

 

Reporter: Do you want Jason Peters back?

Doug: Oh yeah. Yeah. I think I said the same thing about Darren Sproles. Heck yeah."

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2020/02/heck-yeah-doug-pederson-wants-jason-peters-back.html

You keep asking the question what changed and the answer is absolutely nothing. Pederson and Roseman back in February never ruled out the return of JP. 

10 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

You keep asking the question what changed and the answer is absolutely nothing. Pederson and Roseman back in February never ruled out the return of JP. 

Doug said "heck yeah."  He said it about Sproles yet there's no talk about bringing Sproles back.  If you asked Doug about Celek, Dawkins or Cunningham he'd say "heck yeah."  A coach can say "heck yeah" to having all the players they like.

The facts are they let JP walk AND let their only other experienced LT walk in Big V.  You still have no answer for that, but are listening to click bait reporters stirring things up instead of what is actually happening.  If they had any doubts about Dillard they don't let both of them go.  They are comfortable with Dillard as the stater they traded up for.  They drafted O lineman to come in and develop as backups.  If they re-sign JP because he couldn't sign with 31 other teams in all this time, that's no sign they don't trust Dillard.

58 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

"Doug was a little more upfront, and I did a double take when he said this:

 

 

Reporter: Do you want Jason Peters back?

Doug: Oh yeah. Yeah. I think I said the same thing about Darren Sproles. Heck yeah."

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2020/02/heck-yeah-doug-pederson-wants-jason-peters-back.html

You keep asking the question what changed and the answer is absolutely nothing. Pederson and Roseman back in February never ruled out the return of JP. 

Doug is sentimental. They shouldn't have brought Sproles back. He was done. They shouldn't bring Peters back unless it's in some coaching capacity which I doubt will happen

21 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Doug is sentimental. They shouldn't have brought Sproles back. He was done. They shouldn't bring Peters back unless it's in some coaching capacity which I doubt will happen

The point is they did bring back Sproles and they would probably have done it again if he wanted to play. 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Doug said "heck yeah."  He said it about Sproles yet there's no talk about bringing Sproles back.  If you asked Doug about Celek, Dawkins or Cunningham he'd say "heck yeah."  A coach can say "heck yeah" to having all the players they like.

The facts are they let JP walk AND let their only other experienced LT walk in Big V.  You still have no answer for that, but are listening to click bait reporters stirring things up instead of what is actually happening.  If they had any doubts about Dillard they don't let both of them go.  They are comfortable with Dillard as the stater they traded up for.  They drafted O lineman to come in and develop as backups.  If they re-sign JP because he couldn't sign with 31 other teams in all this time, that's no sign they don't trust Dillard.

They let big V walk, because they weren't giving him that money to be a backup. Heck they drafted Dillard, because they didn't trust Big V. I mean what is your point there? If we are being honest though Big V was more valuable that Dillard because unlike Dillard he can play more than one position. You can't read Doug's mind and which all of your posturing you forgot the fact they DID bring Sproles back! Celek chose to retire as did Sproles so your point makes no sense. Bottom line if the Eagles want Peters back he's coming back unless some team outbids them for his services. To be clear I don't think Peters should be back, but I didn't think they should have brought Sproles back either time, but they did it again anyway. 

25 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Doug is sentimental. They shouldn't have brought Sproles back. He was done. They shouldn't bring Peters back unless it's in some coaching capacity which I doubt will happen

The reality is...this is a complex decision process, with many factors involved for all parties - in-house and otherwise. As examples,

•  Do we need to develop Dillard and other prospects?
•  Has JP declined, or is it safe to assume he will no longer be an asset?
•  Will JP accept a back-up role and at what price?
•  Does sentiment out-weigh prudence?

10 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

They let big V walk, because they weren't giving him that money to be a backup. Heck they drafted Dillard, because they didn't trust Big V. I mean what is your point there? If we are being honest though Big V was more valuable that Dillard because unlike Dillard he can play more than one position. You can't read Doug's mind and which all of your posturing you forgot the fact they DID bring Sproles back! Celek chose to retire as did Sproles so your point makes no sense. Bottom line if the Eagles want Peters back he's coming back unless some team outbids them for his services. To be clear I don't think Peters should be back, but I didn't think they should have brought Sproles back either time, but they did it again anyway. 

And that was the past, after this season Howie said they are going to get younger and not get sentimental holding onto players just because they are veterans, that he learned from that mistake.

My point is Doug is going to say yes he wants anyone and everyone.  He's enthusiastic and loves his players.  He also said his offensive coaches would be back and the next day they were fired.  Doug doesn't decide who gets contracts and who gets signed.  He can say "heck yeah" to all he wants.

The official statement on JP leaving was worded carefully to leave a door open to resigning him but was clear they were moving on.  The facts are they traded up for Dillard, let the only other 2 experienced LTs go in free agency and are prepared to have Dillard be the starter going forward.  If they had doubts about Dillard, they keep either one of them or they draft an OT higher.

If they bring JP back, that's a bonus but they are prepared to have Dillard be the starter.  

On Dillard not playing more than one position, what other position did JP play?  Lane Johnson had to play LT once and had a whole week to prepare and he struggled.  He's a great RT.  No one said he's a failure and the team has doubts about Lane because he struggled at LT.  People realized he trained all that time at RT and that's where he belongs.  Dillard had zero reps at RT and was thrown into the middle of a game as a rookie.   A couple weeks ago Lane said himself he struggled at LT and had to develop as a rookie and he said Andre will be fine.  Stoutland acknowledged it was his fault for not preparing Dillard with reps at RT.  After that, he started getting reps at RT in practice and Stoutland said he was improving.

Regardless, Dillard was drafted to replace JP not play both LT and RT.  That's why you have versatile backups like Pryor and Driscoll to step in where needed if there's an injury.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

The point is they did bring back Sproles and they would probably have done it again if he wanted to play. 

I have no doubt they'd do it again lol

17 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I have no doubt they'd do it again lol

Unfortunately I believe so too. I started getting nervous when Sproles talked about coming back after Frank Gore signed. 

45 minutes ago, NOTW said:

And that was the past, after this season Howie said they are going to get younger and not get sentimental holding onto players just because they are veterans, that he learned from that mistake.

My point is Doug is going to say yes he wants anyone and everyone.  He's enthusiastic and loves his players.  He also said his offensive coaches would be back and the next day they were fired.  Doug doesn't decide who gets contracts and who gets signed.  He can say "heck yeah" to all he wants.

The official statement on JP leaving was worded carefully to leave a door open to resigning him but was clear they were moving on.  The facts are they traded up for Dillard, let the only other 2 experienced LTs go in free agency and are prepared to have Dillard be the starter going forward.  If they had doubts about Dillard, they keep either one of them or they draft an OT higher.

If they bring JP back, that's a bonus but they are prepared to have Dillard be the starter.  

On Dillard not playing more than one position, what other position did JP play?  Lane Johnson had to play LT once and had a whole week to prepare and he struggled.  He's a great RT.  No one said he's a failure and the team has doubts about Lane because he struggled at LT.  People realized he trained all that time at RT and that's where he belongs.  Dillard had zero reps at RT and was thrown into the middle of a game as a rookie.   A couple weeks ago Lane said himself he struggled at LT and had to develop as a rookie and he said Andre will be fine.  Stoutland acknowledged it was his fault for not preparing Dillard with reps at RT.  After that, he started getting reps at RT in practice and Stoutland said he was improving.

Regardless, Dillard was drafted to replace JP not play both LT and RT.  That's why you have versatile backups like Pryor and Driscoll to step in where needed if there's an injury.

You could say it's media driven but the rumors about Dillard have been circling for a while. The Eagles have done nothing to fan those rumors by openly saying they're willing to take Peters back, and the Howie talking about "learning from his mistakes makes now sense considering he just traded for and extended a contract to a 29 year old corner. The Eagles didn't have to leave anything open for Peters and it's not clear they're moving on from him. You want it to be clear, but it isn't. You don't want to take them for their word and that's your choice. In conclusion I don't want Peters back, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is back. 

32 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

You could say it's media driven but the rumors about Dillard have been circling for a while. The Eagles have done nothing to fan those rumors by openly saying they're willing to take Peters back, and the Howie talking about "learning from his mistakes makes now sense considering he just traded for and extended a contract to a 29 year old corner. The Eagles didn't have to leave anything open for Peters and it's not clear they're moving on from him. You want it to be clear, but it isn't. You don't want to take them for their word and that's your choice. In conclusion I don't want Peters back, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is back. 

These media rumors "circling for a while" are the same recycled ideas from 1 or 2 reporters that other reporters re-post or reference.  Then that becomes "multiple reports."

The Eagles haven't said that much, people are just speculating.  There are the facts, and then there are the reporters guessing.  What they've said is Dillard is phenomenal and improving and that they're letting JP explore free agency and both parties will continue to keep in touch.  That says good luck JP if you can get another big contract somewhere good for you, but we'll be fine with Dillard as starter.  And if you don't, and want to come back we'll talk about a deal (then the Eagles would have all the leverage because Peters can't get signed anywhere)

What I said was it is clear they are prepared to move on because otherwise - a fact you STILL will not address and have no answer for - is that they let JP and Big V walk in free agency.  You simply do not do that if you don't have confidence in Dillard.  Stoutland and Doug praised Dillard.  Now Brandon Brooks and Lane Johnson have also given praise to Dillard...but Lane also said he could see Peters coming back.  People jumped on that comment to say see, they want Peters back!  But ignored or downplayed the comments where Lane said Dillard is ready to be the starter and admitted his own developments as a rookie, and that Lane struggled switching sides to LT.

This all becomes moot if Peters signs somewhere.  I keep seeing reporters in Denver posting speculation that the Broncos will sign him. 

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

These media rumors "circling for a while" are the same recycled ideas from 1 or 2 reporters that other reporters re-post or reference.  Then that becomes "multiple reports."

The Eagles haven't said that much, people are just speculating.  There are the facts, and then there are the reporters guessing.  What they've said is Dillard is phenomenal and improving and that they're letting JP explore free agency and both parties will continue to keep in touch.  That says good luck JP if you can get another big contract somewhere good for you, but we'll be fine with Dillard as starter.  And if you don't, and want to come back we'll talk about a deal (then the Eagles would have all the leverage because Peters can't get signed anywhere)

What I said was it is clear they are prepared to move on because otherwise - a fact you STILL will not address and have no answer for - is that they let JP and Big V walk in free agency.  You simply do not do that if you don't have confidence in Dillard.  Stoutland and Doug praised Dillard.  Now Brandon Brooks and Lane Johnson have also given praise to Dillard...but Lane also said he could see Peters coming back.  People jumped on that comment to say see, they want Peters back!  But ignored or downplayed the comments where Lane said Dillard is ready to be the starter and admitted his own developments as a rookie, and that Lane struggled switching sides to LT.

This all becomes moot if Peters signs somewhere.  I keep seeing reporters in Denver posting speculation that the Broncos will sign him. 

We don't need to go back and forth on this. You hear words and come up with your own meanings. You don't think Peters is coming back fine. If he does then don't be surprised. Nothing you can state will change my view on this. If Peters comes back then they don't think Dillard is ready. You don't look back to Peters if Dillard is ready to take over. 

54 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

We don't need to go back and forth on this. You hear words and come up with your own meanings. You don't think Peters is coming back fine. If he does then don't be surprised. Nothing you can state will change my view on this. If Peters comes back then they don't think Dillard is ready. You don't look back to Peters if Dillard is ready to take over. 

Look in the mirror. You're the one hearing your own meanings. And you believe reporter click bait speculation over facts.

I never said JP isn't coming back. You keep running with narratives in your head, making up straw men arguments I didn't say and refusing to acknowledge facts or answer questions. 

No point in talking to someone who says they won't change their mind no matter what. 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Look in the mirror. You're the one hearing your own meanings. And you believe reporter click bait speculation over facts.

I never said JP isn't coming back. You keep running with narratives in your head, making up straw men arguments I didn't say and refusing to acknowledge facts or answer questions. 

No point in talking to someone who says they won't change their mind no matter what. 

The Eagles can prove to me they believe in Dillard simply by not bringing back Peters. It’s actually very simple. I’ve acknowledged plenty of facts, and have posted facts. It doesn’t matter really. You’re not changing my mind and I’m not changing yours.