1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Well there are other problems for sure.  Coaching, defense, talent at WR apart from Smith.  But a really good QB would have this team playing better just because of finding the open receivers more often, getting the ball to Smith and Goedert, reading the defense better, etc.  But there's a lot of improvement to go all around, even special teams.  Going against defending SB champs was always going to be tough, but it exposed all the weak areas.

Yeah I agree that a better quarterback makes the game closer, but the deficiencies of the roster as a whole would have led to the same results. This team isn’t good enough.

1 hour ago, phil77 said:

A new QB would do wonders for our passing game so many missed opportunities all season long. If there is a chance to upgrade you have to pull the trigger. 

But what does that mean IRL? Who? How?

4 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Rodgers might retire if they don’t trade him. Do you not remember he badmouthed GB and openly said he doesn’t want to be there? He likely made an agreement with the team that this will be his last year if she shows up

Do you really think Rodgers would even consider coming to the Eagles? Seriously what in the world do they have to offer him? Also a guy wanting out of the best team in the NFC should tell you he’s nothing but trouble.

6 hours ago, downundermike said:

Head coach is fine, he schemes well and WR's are open, the QB is just not good enough to take advantage.

 

 

When you got Orlovsky calling out Hurts’ reads and missing a wide open Watkins for a TD you got problems. Remember this guy ran out of the back of the endzone for the 0-16 Lions for a safety and didn’t even realize it 

Eagles are a bad team with a good Oline. They played the weakest schedule in the league against laughably bad qbs and did not get on a plane the last 6 weeks of the season. We won 9 games as our crappy qb is an excellent runner which produced wins against fellow crap teams with similar crappy qbs who could not run. So the 9 win season can be attributed to our college qb with running skills. No way you win in this league against decent teams and our 1-8 record vs winning teams attests to that. Gotta get 2 DEs, a cb, s, dt, c, rg and most importantly a wr and developmental qb with a pro arm… just for starters. Kelce retires cox is traded. Need a huge infusion of talent on both sides of the ball

11 hours ago, Procus said:

What is your problem?  Are you a teenager whose butthurt because somebody insulted your team?  You don't like the post, disagree with it.  No need for personal attacks.  If you're into that - go to CVON.

This guy is becoming a problem. Mods might want to keep an eye on him. 

I agree with OP's view. There is a LOT of work to be done and a ton of holes to fill. Hopefully, they can be competitive as they continue the rebuild. 

10 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I just hope they stay the course and use these picks to improve the roster with younger players and more favorable contracts. They have to dig themselves out of the cap mess they created for themselves. 

Yeah they do. This is why I get frustrated when people say Howie has done a good job with the cap. I know pandemic created a unique situation but he's still given out a lot of bad contracts and he kicks the can an awful lot. 

17 hours ago, opa-opa said:

Give Minshew a chance. That's all I'm asking for.

I’d rather they let them have an open competition over brining in someone else’s quarterback. 

16 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Do you really think Rodgers would even consider coming to the Eagles? Seriously what in the world do they have to offer him? Also a guy wanting out of the best team in the NFC should tell you he’s nothing but trouble.

He’s the reason they’re the best team in the NFC. We’re a playoff team that made it without strong QB play, that’s a lot more to offer than most teams.

Said this before the season started and I'll say it again ... the immediate focus should not be on squeaking into the playoffs (where getting smoked by the elite teams is inevitable as we all saw).  Howie needs to have the long term view in mind with the moves he makes which starts with building a competitive team, which involves using the draft picks wisely and making the right moves in free agency.  Using multiple premium draft picks for a "once was" Russell Wilson and chewing up a huge portion of the cap in the process will not accomplish that but I fear that is the path he is locked on.  Sure hope I am wrong about that ... I don't need anything else to hold against him to support my dislike for our "GM" (use the term loosely). 

4 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

He’s the reason they’re the best team in the NFC. We’re a playoff team that made it without strong QB play, that’s a lot more to offer than most teams.

Yeah he doesn’t have Adams here. There are several teams out there with much more to offer offensively and defensively than the Eagles. Heck Washington has better and like I mentioned he’s there and not happy. Why would he be happy here watching Reagor muff punts and drop passes? 

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

There are several teams out there with much more to offer offensively and defensively than the Eagles.

If he really wants out of Green Bay, Denver should be his #1 target.

It was pretty obvious to me that we were looking at a 2-3 year rebuilding process going into this year. Even the FO made it clear we needed to shed cap and get younger. There was no way we could do that in just one year. They brought in a green new coach and he is and should get at least 2-3 years to prove he can coach in the NFL. What part of bringing in one of the available vet QB's gets you younger or helps to shed cap? There are some players that we'll either need to eat some cap on or deal with with for another year. Again, I think Lurie made it clear before this season he wants to build a team that can be competitive for years to come instead of focusing solely on the next season.

I believe the FO is committed to this longer term vision. Just listen to Lurie during his PC after they let DP go. He talks about being in transition period and rebuilding for the mid (2-3 yrs) and long term (4-5 yrs) and accumulating draft picks to acquire young talent. He talks specifically about a time-frame of 2,3,4,5 years. He mentions specifically not focusing on the short term like they did in 2016-2020 but rebuilding for the future. I have the key part of his cued up but listen through at least to the 11 minute mark.

 

If the Eagles can control themselves and hold Pat this team could become a legit contender by 2023. If they panic and assume their window is open and waste all of their draft collateral trying to get a quarterback they will be mediocre for a long time coming. 

23 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

How much of what TB did was based on turnovers by our O, sacks, field position? A new QB absolutely can improve his defense’s performance

 

21 hours ago, phil77 said:

A new QB would do wonders for our passing game so many missed opportunities all season long. If there is a chance to upgrade you have to pull the trigger. 

 

Sure a good QB can help his O and D but wouldn't you rather have a D that can stand on it's own that helps the QB and more weapons around the QB on O? I think you get similar results doing either but investing in a difference making QB makes it a lot harder to do the other. I feel it's a lot smarter to go QB shopping after you have built a team that will help your QB instead of the other way around.

10 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah they do. This is why I get frustrated when people say Howie has done a good job with the cap. I know pandemic created a unique situation but he's still given out a lot of bad contracts and he kicks the can an awful lot. 

Howie's gonna be the next one wearing a walking boot. 🤣

I don’t think the decision at QB is that hard. I don’t want anything to do with Rodgers, Wilson or Watson and I don’t think any of them even want to come here. All come with baggage and huge price tags. Nor do I want Carr, Jimmy G or any of the other average QB’s out there. Those guys aren’t going to win you a Super Bowl. 

I’m not thrilled about the draft class but maybe Pickett falls to a spot where you can trade for him. I wouldn’t trade the farm for him but something reasonable. I’m not really thrilled about any of the other 1st round QB’s. Maybe take a shot at one in the 2nd or 3rd round. 

If we come out of the draft without a QB, I think you continue to develop Hurts. Believe it or not, QB’s can improve, just look at Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

If the Eagles can control themselves and hold Pat this team could become a legit contender by 2023. If they panic and assume their windo is open and waste all of their draft collateral trying to get a quarterback they will be mediocre for a long time coming. 

Come on, don't be a buzz kill.  The season just ended and some fans have pipe dreams about Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams coming here and winning the next 3 championships!  

1 hour ago, Thing3 said:

 

 

Sure a good QB can help his O and D but wouldn't you rather have a D that can stand on it's own that helps the QB and more weapons around the QB on O? I think you get similar results doing either but investing in a difference making QB makes it a lot harder to do the other. I feel it's a lot smarter to go QB shopping after you have built a team that will help your QB instead of the other way around.

Problem is for a new D we’d need the right coordinator (not just a new one), multiple upgrades at key positions, and possibly phasing out some of the older guys. It’s possible the D is improved next year, but the dramatic increase in efficiency certain QBs can bring to the O aren’t realistic on the defensive side of the ball for 2022. Not impossible, but unrealistic

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Yeah he doesn’t have Adams here. There are several teams out there with much more to offer offensively and defensively than the Eagles. Heck Washington has better and like I mentioned he’s there and not happy. Why would he be happy here watching Reagor muff punts and drop passes? 

Because he wouldn’t be? 
 

No one is happier in Washington. People go to Washington because they’ll overpay. When was the last time you heard a player say, "Yeah I had an offer from Pittsburgh, New England, LA… but Washington was just the right call.”

2 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Because he wouldn’t be? 
 

No one is happier in Washington. People go to Washington because they’ll overpay. When was the last time you heard a player say, "Yeah I had an offer from Pittsburgh, New England, LA… but Washington was just the right call.”

So what’s the point? Rodgers doesn’t make this a SB caliber team. He’s one step out the door from retirement. Giving up at least three first, and a heap load of salary cap for one guy who will not get you to the Super Bowl simply makes no sense whatsoever. Frankly I agree with @downundermike on this. He’d prefer to go to Denver heck even Cleveland would be a much better option than Philly. Just remember he chooses where he wants to go and I can’t for a moment see any of these three quarterbacks having Philly as a team high on their lists. This isn’t a case of a free agent following the money. They’re already getting paid and can go wherever they want to. 

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

So what’s the point? Rodgers doesn’t make this a SB caliber team. He’s one step out the door from retirement. Giving up at least three first, and a heap load of salary cap for one guy who will not get you to the Super Bowl simply makes no sense whatsoever. Frankly I agree with @downundermike on this. He’d prefer to go to Denver heck even Cleveland would be a much better option than Philly. Just remember he chooses where he wants to go and I can’t for a moment see any of these three quarterbacks having Philly as a team high on their lists. This isn’t a case of a free agent following the money. They’re already getting paid and can go wherever they want to. 

I think Philly has better receiving options than Cleveland.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I think Philly has better receiving options than Cleveland.

Yeah, but they also have an estimated cap space of 28mil with a 10mil roll over plus great backs, and a solid defense. 

16 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Problem is for a new D we’d need the right coordinator (not just a new one), multiple upgrades at key positions, and possibly phasing out some of the older guys. It’s possible the D is improved next year, but the dramatic increase in efficiency certain QBs can bring to the O aren’t realistic on the defensive side of the ball for 2022. Not impossible, but unrealistic

But you eventually have to do something with the D. You just can't ignore these needs because there are too many to address in one year to make a significant impact. It's a shortsighted approach that got us in this whole. It's going to a more long term approach to get us out.

11 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah they do. This is why I get frustrated when people say Howie has done a good job with the cap. I know pandemic created a unique situation but he's still given out a lot of bad contracts and he kicks the can an awful lot. 

I'll reference the Lurie PC I posted early. Lurie said (paraphrasing) they knew they were making a lot of personnel and resource allotment decisions for the short term to try and make a second run after 2017. They knew these decisions were going to create the need for a real transition period. In other words, they knew they were kicking the can down road. And now some want to kick the can down the road even further by focusing on the short term for another year.