On 2/7/2022 at 1:04 PM, Talonblood said:

It entitles Howie to be MORE involved within the player personnel area. The sky is falling, for sure. Fix that sheeet!!

Just confirming what Lurie already said and cementing his belief in Howie. That dude is going nowhere. 

12 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Just confirming what Lurie already said and cementing his belief in Howie. That dude is going nowhere. 

And confirms for Lurie that they have potential GMs in their organization under Howie that other teams want to hire.  

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

And confirms for Lurie that they have potential GMs in their organization under Howie that other teams want to hire.  

And these guys are learning under Howie. For this idea that he’s a joke of a GM around the league it sure seems odd people want to hire his understudies.

28 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

And these guys are learning under Howie. For this idea that he’s a joke of a GM around the league it sure seems odd people want to hire his understudies.

The key best players for the Eagles are older veterans drafted by Reid, Lane Johnson who Howie drafted at #4 almost 10 years ago, free agents or trade acquisitions other teams drafted, and Mailata the 7th round rugby project.  The rest of the starting players are JAGs or busts that haven't been cut yet.

Howie's living off his reputation from being the "cap genius" from years ago despite bad contracts and cap issues in recent years, and pulling off free agent signings and trades to get them over the top in the 2017 Super Bowl which was in part Reich's offense, in part Foles underdog story, the team's underdog mantra after Wentz got hurt.

He had a good draft last year but not great.  The bar is so low that fans think finally not drafting a bunch of busts is doing a great job.  Smith was a top 10 pick at WR who performed not even in the top 32 of all receivers while we see other rookie receivers make impacts for other teams.  (We'll keep an eye on Micah Parson's career, some wanted him instead)  He drafted a couple backups, Dickerson got playing time because of injury and get got a a mid-round 3rd RB option who is a nice RB in the rotation, really liked that pick.  We'll see how these guys do long-term, are they even still on the roster in 3 years?   

12 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The key best players for the Eagles are older veterans drafted by Reid, Lane Johnson who Howie drafted at #4 almost 10 years ago, free agents or trade acquisitions other teams drafted, and Mailata the 7th round rugby project.  The rest of the starting players are JAGs or busts that haven't been cut yet.

Howie's living off his reputation from being the "cap genius" from years ago despite bad contracts and cap issues in recent years, and pulling off free agent signings and trades to get them over the top in the 2017 Super Bowl which was in part Reich's offense, in part Foles underdog story, the team's underdog mantra after Wentz got hurt.

He had a good draft last year but not great.  The bar is so low that fans think finally not drafting a bunch of busts is doing a great job.  Smith was a top 10 pick at WR who performed not even in the top 32 of all receivers while we see other rookie receivers make impacts for other teams.  (We'll keep an eye on Micah Parson's career, some wanted him instead)  He drafted a couple backups, Dickerson got playing time because of injury and get got a a mid-round 3rd RB option who is a nice RB in the rotation, really liked that pick.  We'll see how these guys do long-term, are they even still on the roster in 3 years?   

I don’t think the Cowboys even trade with the Eagles if they knew they would take Parsons. I don’t really fault the Eagles on that move, but there is an argument that the Eagles should’ve stayed at their original spot rather than trading down. Howie’s 2018 draft was a pretty good one as well. Al of them are still in the league, and all but one of them got a second contract from the Eagles and are starters. I know people want to act like Howie is completely inept, but the truth is he’s not as bad as many of us make him out to be. 

24 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t think the Cowboys even trade with the Eagles if they knew they would take Parsons. I don’t really fault the Eagles on that move, but there is an argument that the Eagles should’ve stayed at their original spot rather than trading down. Howie’s 2018 draft was a pretty good one as well. Al of them are still in the league, and all but one of them got a second contract from the Eagles and are starters. I know people want to act like Howie is completely inept, but the truth is he’s not as bad as many of us make him out to be. 

When they didn't feel they had any needs after winning the SB, they finally drafted BPA.  They traded out of the 1st thinking they had no needs (Lamar Jackson was taken with that pick), they got a backup TE who became the starter, a JAG slot corner, a JAG DE who started because of injury we'll see what they do at DE this offsesaon, a bust O lineman and Mailata who is a beast but was a 7th round rugby project.  He certainly deserves credit for that but 7th round picks usually are nothing anyway so why not take a chance.

His other drafts have been terrible or mediocre at best.  

54 minutes ago, NOTW said:

When they didn't feel they had any needs after winning the SB, they finally drafted BPA.  They traded out of the 1st thinking they had no needs (Lamar Jackson was taken with that pick), they got a backup TE who became the starter, a JAG slot corner, a JAG DE who started because of injury we'll see what they do at DE this offsesaon, a bust O lineman and Mailata who is a beast but was a 7th round rugby project.  He certainly deserves credit for that but 7th round picks usually are nothing anyway so why not take a chance.

His other drafts have been terrible or mediocre at best.  

Since Howie has taken over as GM the Eagles are 51-45-1 and have a Super Bowl victory. They have only two losing seasons in six seasons. I won’t deny that Howie has had more than his share of screwups for sure, but there are plenty of teams around the league who wish they were as good as the Eagles have been over that span. Now that doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement, but people are trying to make it out like the Eagles are the worst run organization in football and that isn’t the case at all. 

 

49 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Since Howie has taken over as GM the Eagles are 51-45-1 and have a Super Bowl victory. They have only two losing seasons in six seasons. I won’t deny that Howie has had more than his share of screwups for sure, but there are plenty of teams around the league who wish they were as good as the Eagles have been over that span. Now that doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement, but people are trying to make it out like the Eagles are the worst run organization in football and that isn’t the case at all. 

No, they're not the worst. They've managed - like I said before - with free agents, trades, and players left that Reid drafted.  Howie is not good at drafting which was exposed big time in the playoff game especially on defense and at WR.  You would think he would have built the core of a contender by now in the last 5-6 drafts.  The bar is low if we're saying at least they're not among the worst teams in the league.  Well they were in 2020 and squeaked into the playoffs this year, without the additional playoff team they would have missed the playoffs.

Also, you've been defending Howie lately.  Your posts in the other Howie topic were calling for him to be fired, calling him the biggest problem in the organization, bashing his drafting...

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Since Howie has taken over as GM the Eagles are 51-45-1 and have a Super Bowl victory. They have only two losing seasons in six seasons. I won’t deny that Howie has had more than his share of screwups for sure, but there are plenty of teams around the league who wish they were as good as the Eagles have been over that span. Now that doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement, but people are trying to make it out like the Eagles are the worst run organization in football and that isn’t the case at all. 

Howie is a terrible talent evaluator … that is different from how well the team is run.  He did have a nice draft last year it seems but until he can string together 3-4 of those consecutively I stand by my assessment of him and consider last year’s draft as the "blind squirrel finally found his nut” moment. 

Howie seems to be at his best if he’s picking towards the top of a round or picking O-Linemen, who then get coached up by one of, if not, the best O-Line coach in the league. Of course, the inherent problem with picking towards the top of a round, is more often than not, it requires sucking the year before. Howie has not been that good towards the middle/bottom of rounds. Howie is definitely not the worst there is. I would best describe him as extremely mediocre. As we all know, mediocre in some ways is worse than outright sucking. 
 

Now, I’ve said many times that Howie deserves his share of credit for the Super Bowl, and I still maintain that position, but outside of that season, Howie led teams have never gotten past 10 wins in a season, and have only one very fortunate playoff win in every other season. Yes it’s true, his teams don’t have sustained seasons of 4-6 wins, but they don’t have sustained seasons of going deep in the playoffs either. 
 

Extreme mediocrity. 

13 hours ago, time2rock said:

Howie is a terrible talent evaluator … that is different from how well the team is run.  He did have a nice draft last year it seems but until he can string together 3-4 of those consecutively I stand by my assessment of him and consider last year’s draft as the "blind squirrel finally found his nut” moment. 

Howie is the GM and as such running the team as a whole is all of his responsibility. Also last seasons wasn’t his only decent draft. His 2018 draft was very solid. People have been fawning all over Mialata for years now, but no one wants to give Howie the credit for drafting him? People blame Howie for Dillard though, but give the credit to  Stoutland for Mialata, but none of the criticisms for Dillard who frankly some people thought was a draft steal at the time. Seems a bit bias frankly. 

@NOTW 

Like I told you bud, this team isn’t going to fire Howie so it’s a waste of time to keep crying for it. There are now three things you can guarantee in life. Death, taxes, and Howie Roseman as the Eagles GM. 😂

10 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Howie is the GM and as such running the team as a whole is all of his responsibility. Also last seasons wasn’t his only decent draft. His 2018 draft was very solid. People have been fawning all over Mialata for years now, but no one wants to give Howie the credit for drafting him? People blame Howie for Dillard though, but give the credit to  Stoutland for Mialata, but none of the criticisms for Dillard who frankly some people thought was a draft steal at the time. Seems a bit bias frankly. 

Meh so he had a decent draft in 2018 as well.  He’s responsible for more bad drafting than good by a fairly wide margin.  I do give him credit for any hits he has had like Mailata and Big V and Mills and others.  Funny he seems to hit on day 3 picks more frequently than he does with day 1 picks.  And obviously it is a collaborative effort between the personnel guys identifying talent and the coaches who then mold them into great players … so credit for players that succeed should go to everyone.  Hard to separate blame equally though … you know the old saying, "you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken ish”.  

15 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Howie is the GM and as such running the team as a whole is all of his responsibility. Also last seasons wasn’t his only decent draft. His 2018 draft was very solid. People have been fawning all over Mialata for years now, but no one wants to give Howie the credit for drafting him? People blame Howie for Dillard though, but give the credit to  Stoutland for Mialata, but none of the criticisms for Dillard who frankly some people thought was a draft steal at the time. Seems a bit bias frankly. 

I'm not huge on Howie and the organizational chart with a non-football man in charge of football operations.  But let's look at the numbers - since Chip Kelly left and Howie resumed GM duties, the Eagles have made the playoffs 4 out of 6 years and won a Super Bowl championship.  We could do much worse and we have done much worse.  Being a GM is not limited to constructing a roster.  A coaching staff needs to be assembled and an organizational philosophy needs to be put in place.  People focus on big mistakes like Reagor and ignore other things like coaching hires and otherwise having an overall well run organization.

13 minutes ago, Procus said:

I'm not huge on Howie and the organizational chart with a non-football man in charge of football operations.  But let's look at the numbers - since Chip Kelly left and Howie resumed GM duties, the Eagles have made the playoffs 4 out of 6 years and won a Super Bowl championship.  We could do much worse and we have done much worse.  Being a GM is not limited to constructing a roster.  A coaching staff needs to be assembled and an organizational philosophy needs to be put in place.  People focus on big mistakes like Reagor and ignore other things like coaching hires and otherwise having an overall well run organization.

I’m actually surprised how mediocre they’ve  been since the Super Bowl, they’re the Browns. 

31-33-1 since the SB that’s 19th. You have to go back to ‘84-87 to find four consecutive seasons w/o double digit wins, and TBF they were in the playoffs in ‘18 and ‘19, so 10 wins isn’t a big deal right?     
 Here’s the context, the Browns over the same time are 32-32-1. The Browns didn’t have two garbage teams in their division, they only had one and that team just went to the SB!  The Eagles have been really fortunate, the Giants(29th) and WFT (26th) in that time frame are a combined 43-87.    
 
 Going back 5 years, the Giants, are tied with the Jets as having the worst record in the NFL, 22-59. 
 

10 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

I’m actually surprised how mediocre they’ve  been since the Super Bowl, they’re the Browns. 

31-33-1 since the SB that’s 19th. You have to go back to ‘84-87 to find four consecutive seasons w/o double digit wins, and TBF they were in the playoffs in ‘18 and ‘19, so 10 wins isn’t a big deal right?     
 Here’s the context, the Browns over the same time are 32-32-1. The Browns didn’t have two garbage teams in their division, they only had one and that team just went to the SB!  The Eagles have been really fortunate, the Giants(29th) and WFT (26th) in that time frame are a combined 43-87.    
 
 Going back 5 years, the Giants, are tied with the Jets as having the worst record in the NFL, 22-59. 
 

@EazyEaglez Howie's record since the SB.

4 hours ago, NOTW said:

@EazyEaglez Howie's record since the SB.

But hey, he's not as bad some people him out to be.  

 

     

On 2/15/2022 at 6:23 PM, NOTW said:

Well they were in 2020 and squeaked into the playoffs this year, without the additional playoff team they would have missed the playoffs

I mean you can put a spin on it and say had Siri turned this into a power run team from the start they easily have at least 2 more wins. 

Then again you can say 2021 drafting of Smith didn't need to happen had he not blown the 2 previous drafted WRs so epically. So that leads us once again to correcting mistakes with using higher picks to do so. 

On 2/15/2022 at 6:23 PM, NOTW said:

 

No, they're not the worst. They've managed - like I said before - with free agents, trades, and players left that Reid drafted.  Howie is not good at drafting which was exposed big time in the playoff game especially on defense and at WR.  You would think he would have built the core of a contender by now in the last 5-6 drafts.  The bar is low if we're saying at least they're not among the worst teams in the league.  Well they were in 2020 and squeaked into the playoffs this year, without the additional playoff team they would have missed the playoffs.

Also, you've been defending Howie lately.  Your posts in the other Howie topic were calling for him to be fired, calling him the biggest problem in the organization, bashing his drafting...

 

 

 

 

 

On 2/17/2022 at 1:06 AM, The Blackfish said:

I’m actually surprised how mediocre they’ve  been since the Super Bowl, they’re the Browns. 

31-33-1 since the SB that’s 19th. You have to go back to ‘84-87 to find four consecutive seasons w/o double digit wins, and TBF they were in the playoffs in ‘18 and ‘19, so 10 wins isn’t a big deal right?     
 Here’s the context, the Browns over the same time are 32-32-1. The Browns didn’t have two garbage teams in their division, they only had one and that team just went to the SB!  The Eagles have been really fortunate, the Giants(29th) and WFT (26th) in that time frame are a combined 43-87.    
 
 Going back 5 years, the Giants, are tied with the Jets as having the worst record in the NFL, 22-59. 
 

Take out the 2020 season which was an outlier where the whole team, especially the OL, was decimated with injuries, and the record is a lot more respectable - with every season in the playoffs.

34 minutes ago, Procus said:

Take out the 2020 season which was an outlier where the whole team, especially the OL, was decimated with injuries, and the record is a lot more respectable - with every season in the playoffs.

To a point, when you consider 4 straight years w/o double digit wins and 4 games each season are against two of the worst teams in the NFL, and this past season you went against the Jets as well. 
 They made the playoffs this season because of the extra team added and technically so did the WFT last season, their record was 7-9. 
 Outlier or not, since the SB, they have been mediocre at best. 

15 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

To a point, when you consider 4 straight years w/o double digit wins and 4 games each season are against two of the worst teams in the NFL, and this past season you went against the Jets as well. 
 They made the playoffs this season because of the extra team added and technically so did the WFT last season, their record was 7-9. 
 Outlier or not, since the SB, they have been mediocre at best. 

You can make all the excuses you like, but qualifying for the playoffs 4 out of the 5 years since winning the SB is no small feat.

2 hours ago, Procus said:

Take out the 2020 season which was an outlier where the whole team, especially the OL, was decimated with injuries, and the record is a lot more respectable - with every season in the playoffs.

Well, you don't get to take out seasons you don't like. They were decimated with injuries in other years as well, for several years in fact. In 2019 they had to find guys from practice squads to play WR and had O line injuries as well. When they won the SB they lost their HOF LT and starting QB. This year they lost Brooks & Graham for the season, didn't have Lane Johnson for a few games. Do you throw out 2019 and 2021 record because of injuries too? 

Even if you take out 2020, they've been mediocre since the SB. That year they were 13 wins. The 2 years before that, 7 wins. So if you want to cherry pick seasons to fit a narrative...if you remove 2017 Super Bowl year then they've had 5 seasons barely over .500 by a game, and a losing season with only 4 wins.

1 hour ago, Procus said:

You can make all the excuses you like, but qualifying for the playoffs 4 out of the 5 years since winning the SB is no small feat.

9-7 in a crap division and squeaking into the playoffs isn't a big feat either. 

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

9-7 in a crap division and squeaking into the playoffs isn't a big feat either. 

It's the NFL