Watson Chooses The.....................Browns.

[Wormlegs]

4 minutes ago, EaglesIreland said:

Ray rice didn’t. Now what he did wasn’t acceptable and the NFL probably wouldn’t have done anything where it not for video of the incident coming out. 

The thing that bugs me most(the allegations of 24 women are obviously important) is why the F did he need 66 massage therapists over 17 months  ? Did the Texans not have a medical staff who’d have handled that stuff. I mean Shannon sharpe said a couple of days ago, that he has had the same person since 1999, that works on him when needed. 1 over 23 years and Deshaun Watson somehow needed 66 in 17 months. 

That just shows the level of immaturity he has, which then gets 10X worse when millions of dollars are involved.

[eglz1]

18 hours ago, EaglesIreland said:

Ray rice didn’t. Now what he did wasn’t acceptable and the NFL probably wouldn’t have done anything where it not for video of the incident coming out. 

The thing that bugs me most(the allegations of 24 women are obviously important) is why the F did he need 66 massage therapists over 17 months  ? Did the Texans not have a medical staff who’d have handled that stuff. I mean Shannon sharpe said a couple of days ago, that he has had the same person since 1999, that works on him when needed. 1 over 23 years and Deshaun Watson somehow needed 66 in 17 months. 

DeShaun likes variety.

[Cochis_Calhoun]

On 6/14/2022 at 8:49 PM, EaglesIreland said:

Ray rice didn’t. Now what he did wasn’t acceptable and the NFL probably wouldn’t have done anything where it not for video of the incident coming out. 

The thing that bugs me most(the allegations of 24 women are obviously important) is why the F did he need 66 massage therapists over 17 months  ? Did the Texans not have a medical staff who’d have handled that stuff. I mean Shannon sharpe said a couple of days ago, that he has had the same person since 1999, that works on him when needed. 1 over 23 years and Deshaun Watson somehow needed 66 in 17 months. 

The 66 massage therapists in 17 months is why the Texans may be neck deep in the same puddle of crap the Browns are in, it seems that Watson may have had a prepared non disclosure agreement to give to massage therapists which would suggest that the Texans were at least partly aware of potential issues with Watson's conduct. It wouldn't be that surprising if when all this shakes out, the Browns and Texans both have no QB or draft picks to show for it.

 

[gameshowfan91]

Watson settled 20 out of 24 cases.

[toolg]

It is reported Deshaun Watson will be suspended 6 games.

 

[CouchKing]

On 6/21/2022 at 2:54 PM, gameshowfan91 said:

Watson settled 20 out of 24 cases.

I bet he settles the other 4 soon. He should just get it over with.

[NCTANK]

[eglz1]

Will the NFL change this? Make the 6 game suspension next year when it'd be a whole lot more $$$$$ lost for Watson?

[EagleTen]

So, the NFL released a statement that contained the following sentence..."In light of her findings, the league is reviewing Judge Robinson's imposition of a six-game suspension and will make a determination on next steps."

Does this mean that the NFL might think it's too lenient? or maybe too harsh? or as you alluded to, doesn't hurt Watson enough?...because of his 2022 contract structure, he is probably only going to lose about $350K if he's suspended in '22, whereas if his suspension is in 2023, he'd end up losing about $15m...massive difference!

In fact, if he gets suspended in '22, he has effectively got away with it scot free...Maybe that's what the NFL are looking at? A suspension in '22 actually hurts the Browns a lot more than it hurts Watson.

2 hours ago, eglz1 said:

Will the NFL change this? Make the 6 game suspension next year when it'd be a whole lot more $$$$$ lost for Watson?

 

[eglz1]

1 hour ago, EagleTen said:

So, the NFL released a statement that contained the following sentence..."In light of her findings, the league is reviewing Judge Robinson's imposition of a six-game suspension and will make a determination on next steps."

Does this mean that the NFL might think it's too lenient? or maybe too harsh? or as you alluded to, doesn't hurt Watson enough?...because of his 2022 contract structure, he is probably only going to lose about $350K if he's suspended in '22, whereas if his suspension is in 2023, he'd end up losing about $15m...massive difference!

I don't know if the NFL could do that (suspend him in 2023) and have it stand up in court. I'm pretty sure that if an individual in business tried to structure a deal to minimize the financial hit the way the Browns and Watson structured his contract, it would cause raised eyebrows among regulators and quite possibly a contract revision or similar. I think the NFL has 3 days to determine its next move.

In fact, if he gets suspended in '22, he has effectively got away with it scot free...Maybe that's what the NFL are looking at? A suspension in '22 actually hurts the Browns a lot more than it hurts Watson.

 

 

[EagleVA]

Personally I think Watson is tripping, here is someone accused to putting his P in the face of women and what does he do, wear ball hugger shorts during training camp, the Browns should address that BS.

[paco]

So… roughly one game for every five women?   Damn Goodell, you harsh

[Cochis_Calhoun]

Imagine you appoint an independent arbiter and they muff their first decision this badly, she finds that he has committed multiple sexual assaults based on a preponderance of evidence and thinks the appropriate sanction is 6 games???  Everyone involved has to see that, that is not a good look for the game or the players.

Watson is lucky one of the massage therapists didn't remember him using a betting app to bet on games or smell weed on him while he was trying to make them suck his D.

[PoconoDon]

So, based on this super soft punishment, how many women can you sexually harass/assault and still get a zero game suspension? That's exactly how many the smartest pervs will victimize. Time for new language in the next CBA. Certain behaviors/offenses should result in punishments that are beyond the reach of arbitration. You're fired and that's it. Good luck in your next career.

[gameshowfan91]

On 8/2/2022 at 7:37 AM, PoconoDon said:

So, based on this super soft punishment, how many women can you sexually harass/assault and still get a zero game suspension? That's exactly how many the smartest pervs will victimize. Time for new language in the next CBA. Certain behaviors/offenses should result in punishments that are beyond the reach of arbitration. You're fired and that's it. Good luck in your next career.

There's not enough evidence Watson did anything wrong. What Burfict had done, there was evidence he was dangerous.

[MF POON]

On 8/2/2022 at 5:04 AM, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Imagine you appoint an independent arbiter and they muff their first decision this badly, she finds that he has committed multiple sexual assaults based on a preponderance of evidence and thinks the appropriate sanction is 6 games???  Everyone involved has to see that, that is not a good look for the game or the players.

Watson is lucky one of the massage therapists didn't remember him using a betting app to bet on games or smell weed on him while he was trying to make them suck his D.

You could say he's been suspended for a year already since he didn't play last season.  The 6 games seems soft, but overall I think it's somewhat fair since the Texans FO is getting away clean in all this. They were aware of what was going on, covered for him, and then shed the light once he wanted a trade.  

Also, Watson is a perv, but I don't understand why some women saw him again after the alleged initial assault?  What's also so hard about saying "no" to his towel demand, or walking out if you're  uncomfortable from the start?  A guy showing up with a NDA to get a massage is a huge red flag to begin with - I'm sure a handful of those claims were just money grabs. 

[paco]

Well then....

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NFL to appeal Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson's six-game suspension

The National Football League said Wednesday it is appealing a decision by a former federal judge to suspend Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson for six games.

On Monday, Watson was suspended without pay for the first six games of this season for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy in private meetings with massage therapists while he was with the Houston Texans.

The NFL had asked Sue L. Robinson, the former judge hired by the NFL and its players union to decide on Watson's punishment, for a suspension covering the 17-game regular season and the playoffs. No player accused of non-violent sexual misconduct, as Watson has been, has received a suspension longer than six games, Robinson said in her 16-page ruling issued Monday.

"The NFL notified the NFLPA that it will appeal Judge Robinson's disciplinary decision and filed its brief this afternoon," league officials said Wednesday. "Commissioner Roger Goodell will determine who will hear the appeal."

 

 

Watson has repeatedly denied the accusations.

"I've never assaulted, I never disrespected, and I never harassed any woman in my life," Watson has said. "I don't have any regrets."

The NFL Player's Association has already said it would not appeal. The union declined to comment Wednesday.

CNN has reached out to the Browns for comment.

The attorney of Watson's accusers said the NFL "does not care about the rights of women" following the Cleveland Browns quarterback's suspension for sexual misconduct allegations.

Appearing Tuesday on ESPN's "First Take," attorney Tony Buzbee attacked the investigation, saying he hopes the NFL will appeal the case, but his clients are angered and disappointed by the lenient suspension handed down by a disciplinary officer.

"Don't expect the NFL to do anything heroic here," Buzbee said.

Two grand juries in Texas declined to charge Watson with any crimes.

Twenty-four civil lawsuits have been filed against Watson -- 23 have been settled confidentially.

Watson's attorney Rusty Hardin told CNN he will not comment until after the NFL decides whether to appeal.

Judge Robinson said she was suspending the 26-year-old for his "predatory conduct."

"Although this is the most significant punishment ever imposed on an NFL player for allegations of non-violent sexual conduct, Mr. Watson's pattern of conduct is more egregious than any before reviewed by the NFL," Robinson wrote in the 16-page ruling.

But, despite those findings, Judge Robinson critiqued the NFL for asking for an unprecedented full-season suspension which would be far lengthier than other players accused of non-violent sexual conduct.

On Tuesday, Buzbee -- the attorney for the plaintiffs in the case against Watson -- told ESPN he hopes the NFL moves forward with an appeal because that gesture would be well received by the accusers.

"I think that would change the messaging and I think it would be well received by the women I represent," he said.

In her findings, Robinson wrote that her decision is limited by the record that was presented to her by NFL investigators who are former prosecutors with decades of experience investigating sexual assault cases. She noted that Watson had "allegedly worked with more than 60 massage therapists" during the period under consideration, and that the NFL had "only investigated the claims of the 24 therapists suing Mr. Watson for damages."

And of the 24, Robinson wrote that the NFL was only able to interview 12 alleged victims. They relied on the testimony of four of those 12 in the case presented to her for review.

Buzbee attacked the way in which the investigation was conducted.

"None of my clients testified in front of the federal judge. I think that's a common misconception that four people testified. That's not the case. Not one of them showed up. Not one of them was asked to show up and testify," he said. "Since those interviews, we have had no contact whatsoever with the NFL.

"They care about the bottom line. They care about making money," said Buzbee on ESPN.

"They're trying to manage this as a PR crisis, but as far as trying to do anything to assuage these particular women or women's rights -- or dealing with women's rights in general -- that's not part of their mission statement and they've made that very clear throughout this process."

On Tuesday, the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center said it was "disappointed" by the ruling to suspend Watson for only six games.

"The 6-game suspension given dangerously mirrors the flaws in our criminal justice systems and sends a grave message to our communities," the organization said in a statement to CNN on Tuesday. "Far too often those in positions of power and celebrity who commit violence against others are not held accountable for their actions.

"These ongoing headlines are triggering for so many. To survivors, we say we see you and we believe you. Your story matters. Cleveland Rape Crisis Center is available 24/7/365 online or by calling/texting (216) 619-6192."

The ruling comes after a number of women who worked as massage therapists filed lawsuits against Watson alleging sexual assault or misconduct during massage sessions. Last month, 30 women who have made or intended to make claims against the Texans organization over Watson's alleged misconduct settled their claims, according to a statement from Buzbee and the Texans' ownership.

Watson, a three-time Pro Bowler, did not play last season while a member of the Houston Texans because of a trade demand as well as the investigations into these allegations.

Days later, the Browns traded three first-round picks for Watson and then signed him to a five-year, fully guaranteed $230 million contract, the most guaranteed money in NFL history.

Watson will not be paid during his suspension, but the Browns structured his new contract so his base salary is $690,000 his first year and then $46 million for each of the next four years, according to the salary tracking website Spotrac.

 

[gameshowfan91]

8 hours ago, MF POON said:

You could say he's been suspended for a year already since he didn't play last season.  The 6 games seems soft, but overall I think it's somewhat fair since the Texans FO is getting away clean in all this. They were aware of what was going on, covered for him, and then shed the light once he wanted a trade.  

Also, Watson is a perv, but I don't understand why some women saw him again after the alleged initial assault?  What's also so hard about saying "no" to his towel demand, or walking out if you're  uncomfortable from the start?  A guy showing up with a NDA to get a massage is a huge red flag to begin with - I'm sure a handful of those claims were just money grabs. 

Maybe because Watson did nothing wrong and the women weren't bothered by him. If they were bothered by him, they would have called authorities and not want him back.

[eglz1]

19 hours ago, MF POON said:

You could say he's been suspended for a year already since he didn't play last season.  The 6 games seems soft, but overall I think it's somewhat fair since the Texans FO is getting away clean in all this. They were aware of what was going on, covered for him, and then shed the light once he wanted a trade.  

Also, Watson is a perv, but I don't understand why some women saw him again after the alleged initial assault?  What's also so hard about saying "no" to his towel demand, or walking out if you're  uncomfortable from the start?  A guy showing up with a NDA to get a massage is a huge red flag to begin with - I'm sure a handful of those claims were just money grabs. 

I know nothing about "massage therapists" advertising on Instragram but my guess is that all but 24 of the 66 weren't surprised when Watson did what he did but rather expected it. Were the 42 expecting to provide more if requested?

[toolg]

 

[MF POON]

On 8/4/2022 at 12:55 AM, gameshowfan91 said:

Maybe because Watson did nothing wrong and the women weren't bothered by him. If they were bothered by him, they would have called authorities and not want him back.

That's how I initially felt, but he admitted through text that he wasn't aware one woman was upset with him. So, while I don't think he's as guilty as some make him out to be,  there was at least 1 person that wasn't into his towel tricks lol

[M.C.]

[Mat]

On 8/4/2022 at 2:55 PM, gameshowfan91 said:

Maybe because Watson did nothing wrong and the women weren't bothered by him. If they were bothered by him, they would have called authorities and not want him back.

Why am I not surprised you think this? 

[paco]

11 games

[dawkins4prez]

If nothing else, Brisset is the perfect dude for this situation.  They are going to have some awkward moments at practice between getting ready for sundays and knocking the rust off Watson.  Brisset isn't a guy that needs much practice, dude's a gamer who loves this role as half season starter.

 

In other words, no I don't see Crap-up-a-lot going to Cleveland.