16 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

You do you. I’ll see myself out of the echo chamber. 

The echo chamber of calendar owners and speakers of the English language.

The Streisand Effect probably was stronger for this story than the actual story itself. It's all about Hunter, not Joe, and voters know that Joe has a troubled son. 

If bad behavior from children of candidates was going to have an impact, you'd think Trump would also suffer for Beavis and Butthead along with his son-in-law's uncomfortably close relationship with MBS.

Twitter being "caught" being stupid on this caused Joe much more grief than "OMGz HUNTER'S LAPTOP" would have. It ain't like the story didn't get out, and it probably got to more eyeballs BECAUSE of the hoopla surrounding Twitter's actions than it would have otherwise.

1 hour ago, Blazehound said:

Yes, and the Biden admin successfully influenced Twitter to remove content. Wonder about all the other media outlets.…

Nothing to wonder about really. The bedwetting over Musk's initial interest in Twitter was enough. 

"I'll be back". Busy day today.

BTW: congratulations to hair. You weren't the one I picked for "first". 😆

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

The echo chamber of calendar owners and speakers of the English language.

Yes. And in your case, a petulant a-hole. 

21 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

It's really not.

#1 every campaign petitions journalists and social media to suppress news unkind to their efforts. 
#2 yes, the "White House" tries and achieves, but it was the Trump White House in this case that did. Biden was the challenger, not the incumbent. 

If you don't think Fox & co. were suppressing and ignoring stories that were politically damaging to Trump while he was in office I have a big ass bridge to nowhere Alaska for sale cheap. 

If you want the "real" story your best bet is always going to be to read stories from a variety of sources and try to piece together actual details that make their way through whatever political bent each source is shaping the narrative for. Few journalists report "just the facts" - this is not a new phenomenon even though it's highly scrutinized relative to earlier time periods.

You didn't see where Trump also requested suppression and had those requests honored?

Thanks for actually taking the time to substantively address what I brought up. Appreciate it.
 

All valid points. Agree and disagree on some of them, but I think the democrats clearly have more sway and influence on suppressing information on the main stream media, and this instance reinforces that to me.

1 minute ago, Blazehound said:

All valid points. Agree to disagree on some of them, but I think the democrats clearly have more sway and influence on suppressing information on the main stream media, and this instance reinforces that to me.

I think this claim that the right sees as a truism about the apparent hold Democrats have on the main stream media is vastly overstated.

#1, it would be very difficult to argue that there is a more influential news network than Fox News. Even combined the "other" news networks don't have near the influence.

#2, between Fox, the WSJ, News Corp, and other even crazier outlets like OAN the right has a TON of influence on main stream media. 

#3, the outlets historically viewed as left-wing like the NY Times and MSNBC are critical of Biden and other Democrats in ways that Fox never would have been while Trump was in the White House. while the Times/Post & co have more editorial overlap with Biden and the Dems politically, they just don't carry the water to the same degree. 

Trump is getting a bare minimum of criticism from Rupert's empire now, but not because of any of Trump's abhorrent behavior .. only because he's being seen as a drag on the Republican party and hurting them politically. If he was still winning them elections Fox & co would continue to be 24/7 apologists for him. 

 

That aside, I think this is a fair assessment of this particular story: 

 

  Wait, so the big reveal here is that both sides suppressed stories on Twitter?

 

14 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Thanks for actually taking the time to substantively address what I brought up. Appreciate it.
 

All valid points. Agree and disagree on some of them, but I think the democrats clearly have more sway and influence on suppressing information on the main stream media, and this instance reinforces that to me.

Trump had nightly phone calls with Hannity and other right wing hosts. He literally shaped his own narrative in the mainstream media. 

To me, this story speaks to how angry it makes the losing party when their October surprise falls flat.

First there was Benghazi and when that didn’t sink Obama, the right lost their sheet and investigated it into the ground, eventually parlaying it into the Hilary email nonsense.

Then the left thought they had Trump when the Access Hollywood tape had him admitting to sexual assault. But he won anyway and the anger over that led to the Woman’s March and the Me Too movement.

Now there’s the laptop story that certainly wouldn’t have made any difference in the election but was suppressed (though only sort of since everyone heard about it non-stop from right wing media).  But it was the rights silver bullet that was supposed to take down Biden so the right is guaranteed to lose their minds over it for the next 4 years. 

46 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

To me, this story speaks to how angry it makes the losing party when their October surprise falls flat.

First there was Benghazi and when that didn’t sink Obama, the right lost their sheet and investigated it into the ground, eventually parlaying it into the Hilary email nonsense.

Then the left thought they had Trump when the Access Hollywood tape had him admitting to sexual assault. But he won anyway and the anger over that led to the Woman’s March and the Mo Too movement.

Now there’s the laptop story that certainly wouldn’t have made any difference in the election but was suppressed (though only sort of since everyone heard about it non-stop from right wing media).  But it was the rights silver bullet that was supposed to take down Biden so the right is guaranteed to lose their minds over it for the next 4 years. 

They’ll investigate the Hunter Biden story being suppressed in the next Congress all while Elon transforms Twitter into a right-wing propaganda website.

 

21 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

They’ll investigate the Hunter Biden story being suppressed in the next Congress all while Elon transforms Twitter into a right-wing propaganda website.

And while Trump literally owns a social media company. 

9 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

And while Trump literally owns a social media company. 

And while you have one of the most famous black men in America tweeting out swastikas and saying he’s gonna go DEFCON 3 on the Joos.

 

But but but Hunter’s laptop

16 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

A couple questions.  Did the NY Post article have the nudes in it?  If not, why were people suspended for linking the article in tweets they made?

I love the assumption that they suppressed these stories because they had a political agenda, and not because they just didn't think advertisers would want to buy space next to a closeup of Hunter's hog. It's a business. 

14 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

And while you have one of the most famous black men in America tweeting out swastikas and saying he’s gonna go DEFCON 3 on the Joos.

 

But but but Hunter’s laptop

I can’t make it to Comic Con this year. Does anyone know where Death Con 3 is being held?

12 minutes ago, RPeeteRules said:

A couple questions.  Did the NY Post article have the nudes in it?  If not, why were people suspended for linking the article in tweets they made?

Twitter appears to have taken it upon themselves to mark the NY Post Hunter story as misinformation. That they did not do so at the prodding of Biden's campaign is the real "scoop" here.

Biden's campaign requested that the Hunter noods be deleted. That's it. Taibbi's reporting does not make any claims that Biden or his campaign asked anyone at Twitter to suppress it.

 

 

The claim by many on the right that this is part of some larger conspiracy or - if you will - collusion between Twitter and Democrats appears to have no basis in fact. Whether they should have suppressed the story or not is certainly something worth debating, but Taibbi's reporting just indicates that someone with the authority to do so suppressed this story early on apparently over concerns that it was misinformation, and the powers that be at Twitter were paralyzed over how to roll it back. 

Neither Biden nor his campaign appear to have lobbied to suppress the story. And that in and of itself is a significant reveal.

3 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

I can’t make it to Comic Con this year. Does anyone know where Death Con 3 is being held?

Ye just wanted to go to a convention about horror movies with the Joos.

#DeathCon

 

22 minutes ago, RPeeteRules said:

A couple questions.  Did the NY Post article have the nudes in it?  If not, why were people suspended for linking the article in tweets they made?

The Biden campaign takedown requests, and Twitter's internal decision to block the NYP story, are two separate actions. Right-wing media is trying its hardest to link the two, as we all saw from our friend Blazehound's confusion, but they are not the same thing.

I’m wondering what the Trump administration asked them to take down, because that’s more of a 1st amendment issue than anything they’re accusing an out-of-power Biden of. 

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

I’m wondering what the Trump administration asked them to take down, because that’s more of a 1st amendment issue than anything they’re accusing an out-of-power Biden of. 

If Trump threatened any kind of reprisal from govt I think it gets into 1a issues. Everything else lives in that gray area.

This is the cost of this media race to the bottom we're dealing with. Reliable, substantive, and fact-checked reporting has lost the market for eyeballs. Confirmation bias and comforting narratives are much better ways to grow an audience.

2 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

To me, this story speaks to how angry it makes the losing party when their October surprise falls flat.

First there was Benghazi and when that didn’t sink Obama, the right lost their sheet and investigated it into the ground, eventually parlaying it into the Hilary email nonsense.

Then the left thought they had Trump when the Access Hollywood tape had him admitting to sexual assault. But he won anyway and the anger over that led to the Woman’s March and the Mo Too movement.

Now there’s the laptop story that certainly wouldn’t have made any difference in the election but was suppressed (though only sort of since everyone heard about it non-stop from right wing media).  But it was the rights silver bullet that was supposed to take down Biden so the right is guaranteed to lose their minds over it for the next 4 years. 

And to me it looks like when Scar set off that herd of antelope so nobody would be able to see what got Mufasa… All of these things where the left and right make all this noise is a distraction for something… 

3 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

And to me it looks like when Scar set off that herd of antelope so nobody would be able to see what got Mufasa… All of these things where the left and right make all this noise is a distraction for something… 

That would make sense if political parties were half as powerful as people seem to think they are (especially opposition parties which always seem to be infinitely clever and devious as well as clueless and incompetent concurrently) ..

The reality is that everybody is making their plays and individual moves, and each is counting different members of the media among its allies, neutral parties, and enemies and using them according. Then they're seeing what plays and adjusting for their next move.

There isn't some invisible hand on either side dictating outcomes. There's a bunch of players playing good and bad hands as best they can.

And most players are relatively out of touch because their connection with reality is via political pundits and grifters whose incentives are disaligned with we the people.

18 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

And to me it looks like when Scar set off that herd of antelope so nobody would be able to see what got Mufasa… All of these things where the left and right make all this noise is a distraction for something… 

Nah. It’s just collective temper tantrums