October 18, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Taking advantage of idiots isn't a crime. If it were, the jails would be overflowing (even moreso). Uh no, it definitely can be, but it depends on the intent and level of deception. For example, ponzi schemes, debt collection scams, deceptive payday loan schemes, etc, often fall under the umbrella of consumer fraud which is essentially an organized and more sophistticated attempt to take advantage of idiots at scale. The fraud in this case is obvously more of a gray area, and could easily be interepreted as a dumb joke gone wrong. Dumb jokes should not be illegal otherwise our death friend Arthur Jackson would be on death row by now.
October 18, 20232 yr 22 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: That's not the reason why he was charged and convicted. This is the statute, same one used to indict Trump: If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241 I know. I was saying a civil suit by the campaign might have some validity. This is just an overreach and should never have been charges criminally.
October 18, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Uh no, it definitely can be, but it depends on the intent and level of deception. For example, ponzi schemes, debt collection scams, deceptive payday loan schemes, etc, often fall under the umbrella of consumer fraud which is essentially an organized and more sophistticated attempt to take advantage of idiots at scale. The fraud in this case is obvously more of a gray area, and could easily be interepreted as a dumb joke gone wrong. Dumb jokes should not be illegal otherwise our death friend Arthur Jackson would be on death row by now. Ponzi schemes involve taking money and having a fiduciary duty to the investor. Payday loans involve contracts. Debt collection scams involve collecting money. Dude put something on social media, received nothing in return, and had no fiduciary or legal relationship with anyone. It's an absurd thing to charge.
October 18, 20232 yr 41 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Ponzi schemes involve taking money and having a fiduciary duty to the investor. Payday loans involve contracts. Debt collection scams involve collecting money. It's still taking advantage of idiots, hence fraud. I didn't say those were apt analogies to this case, just giving an example of how deceiving morons can be a crime. Quote Dude put something on social media, received nothing in return, and had no fiduciary or legal relationship with anyone. It's an absurd thing to charge. The best analogy I could come up with would be like setting up fake ballot drop boxes. If that's illegal, then this is just a modern day version of it. The meme would be like handing out flyers with instructions to vote by dropping off your ballot to an address of the site of the fake ballot box that was set up, and the equivalent of a fake ballot box would be the call center used in this case. Once the thousands of idiots called in, I don't know what was said to them or what happened from there, but I agree that the punishment doesn't fit the crime here.
October 18, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Kz! said: Another clear cut case of the DOJ going after someone for political reasons. Text to where? There's no phone number in her tweet.
October 18, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Text to where? There's no phone number in her tweet. Yeah, I'm sure that's what the DOJs entire case hinged on - the fact that a fake number was provided.
October 18, 20232 yr Just now, Kz! said: Yeah, I'm sure that's what the DOJs entire case hinged on - the fact that a fake number was provided. It wasn't a fake number. It was a real number. So yeah, the fact that he was legitimately defrauding people is probably what their case hinged on.
October 18, 20232 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: It wasn't a fake number. It was a real number. So yeah, the fact that he was legitimately defrauding people is probably what their case hinged on. Jesus christ, windmill.
October 18, 20232 yr 52 minutes ago, Kz! said: Yeah, I'm sure that's what the DOJs entire case hinged on - the fact that a fake number was provided. Based on what I'm seeing, it kinda did actually. The number was to a call center this idiot set up and was used by the prosecutors as evidence of conspiracy to defraud.
October 18, 20232 yr 56 minutes ago, Kz! said: Jesus christ, windmill. When you break out Windmill it's a sign to me that you know that you've lost. And that's important to me.
October 19, 20232 yr 23 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: That's a pretty misleading headline, the conviction wasn't because he disparaged HRC, it was because he was deceiving morons into thinking voting by text message was legal and valid. The Post Millenail is burying the lede in a rather big way here. I guess the most apt analogy would be like setting up fake ballot drop boxes or something to that effect. That being said, I'm not sure tricking morons into believing something obviously false on the internet should be a criminal offense resulting in a 7 month prison term, even though it would mean people like Trump, Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, and a laundry list of other idiots would be serving consecutive life sentences. This. This person set up an elaborate scam backed by a short-code text messaging tech operation designed with the intent of keeping people away from the polls. 23 hours ago, Kz! said: Except people on social media literally have made the exact same joke without being charged. Never mind the fact that the US government didn't even attempt to prove the scheme actually worked and didn't bring forth a single "victim." The people on social media making those were literally comedians doing a bit; there wasn't even a phone number associated. There's no equivalence between that and someone setting up a sophisticated scam that used short-codes (which are pretty expensive) with a clear intent to defraud. It's a bit different from "buyer beware" because the right to vote is a fundamental feature of our system, and in one whose confidence is being undermined by morons like you on the right.
October 19, 20232 yr 21 hours ago, VanHammersly said: When you break out Windmill it's a sign to me that you know that you've lost. And that's important to me. stop killing birds, van !
October 19, 20232 yr 21 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: This. This person set up an elaborate scam backed by a short-code text messaging tech operation designed with the intent of keeping people away from the polls. The people on social media making those were literally comedians doing a bit; there wasn't even a phone number associated. There's no equivalence between that and someone setting up a sophisticated scam that used short-codes (which are pretty expensive) with a clear intent to defraud. It's a bit different from "buyer beware" because the right to vote is a fundamental feature of our system, and in one whose confidence is being undermined by morons like you on the right. Honestly, commie retards like you thinking it's a good thing that someone is aggressively prosecuted for a meme four years after the fact is the least surprising news I could have gotten today, riot.
October 19, 20232 yr EETZ 4 a meemEEE! Actually, it's fraud. EETZ 4 a meemEEE! Stopping Republicans from cheating doesn't seem right. Clearly they're too retarded to win by any other means.
October 19, 20232 yr Yes Douglass Mackey aka Rickey Vaughn was just sentenced to 7 Months in Prison for Posting memes to deceive people during the 2016 election Counter to what many Republican influencers want you to believe, it goes much further than that. The FACTS: - Mackey made it clear that he wanted to stop black Americans from voting. He tweeted this and shared it via messages. - Mackey then decided to tweet out both images and text repeatedly, urging voters who wanted to vote for Clinton to do so via text message or social media by texting ‘Hillary’ to '59925'. - The images he shared had African Americans in the pictures. - 4900 people then actually 'voted' by text, with many not actually showing up to the polls. - This proved that his misinformation via these "memes" as well as text posts cost Hillary Clinton votes and also that he had an intent to deceive them into not actually voting. - Mackey had about 58,000 Twitter followers and was ranked by the MIT Media Lab as the 107th-most important influencer of the then-upcoming presidential election - Mackey was CONVICTED by an independent curt with independent jurors.
October 19, 20232 yr 35 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Yes Douglass Mackey aka Rickey Vaughn was just sentenced to 7 Months in Prison for Posting memes to deceive people during the 2016 election Counter to what many Republican influencers want you to believe, it goes much further than that. The FACTS: - Mackey made it clear that he wanted to stop black Americans from voting. He tweeted this and shared it via messages. - Mackey then decided to tweet out both images and text repeatedly, urging voters who wanted to vote for Clinton to do so via text message or social media by texting ‘Hillary’ to '59925'. - The images he shared had African Americans in the pictures. - 4900 people then actually 'voted' by text, with many not actually showing up to the polls. - This proved that his misinformation via these "memes" as well as text posts cost Hillary Clinton votes and also that he had an intent to deceive them into not actually voting. - Mackey had about 58,000 Twitter followers and was ranked by the MIT Media Lab as the 107th-most important influencer of the then-upcoming presidential election - Mackey was CONVICTED by an independent curt with independent jurors. SUCK IT!!! Some people here will slobber his knob and wail about freedom of speech, because some people are ignorant morons.
October 19, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: SUCK IT!!! Some people here will slobber his knob and wail about freedom of speech, because some people are ignorant morons. You'd definitely be the knob slobbing expert of CVON. 😂
October 20, 20232 yr 10 hours ago, lynched1 said: You'd definitely be the knob slobbing expert of CVON. 😂 Glory holes, lynched can't pass them by Glory holes, kneeling for another guy Glory holes, glory ho-o-oles
October 20, 20232 yr On 10/18/2023 at 4:40 PM, VanHammersly said: When you break out Windmill it's a sign to me that you know that you've lost. And that's important to me. I must have missed something. How is "windmill" an insult?
October 20, 20232 yr 15 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Yes Douglass Mackey aka Rickey Vaughn was just sentenced to 7 Months in Prison for Posting memes to deceive people during the 2016 election Counter to what many Republican influencers want you to believe, it goes much further than that. The FACTS: - Mackey made it clear that he wanted to stop black Americans from voting. He tweeted this and shared it via messages. - Mackey then decided to tweet out both images and text repeatedly, urging voters who wanted to vote for Clinton to do so via text message or social media by texting ‘Hillary’ to '59925'. - The images he shared had African Americans in the pictures. - 4900 people then actually 'voted' by text, with many not actually showing up to the polls. - This proved that his misinformation via these "memes" as well as text posts cost Hillary Clinton votes and also that he had an intent to deceive them into not actually voting. - Mackey had about 58,000 Twitter followers and was ranked by the MIT Media Lab as the 107th-most important influencer of the then-upcoming presidential election - Mackey was CONVICTED by an independent curt with independent jurors. lmao makes complete sense that you get information from the Krassenstein bros on twitter. 4900 people texted the number, but there's literally 0 proof anyone that texted the number didn't show up to the polls. You just made that up. The US government didn't even attempt to produce a single "victim." We don't have to pretend that you aren't a deranged commie or that you have the ability to be even the slightest bit impartial. You are happy this dude got 7 months for a meme from 7 years ago for the same reason you blew snot bubbles about Riot Kitchen being detained on their way to a riot in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
October 20, 20232 yr Kz’s about have a stroke because some dude got caught committing fraud. Republicans REALLY want to be able to cheat. WTF
October 20, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Kz’s about have a stroke because some dude got caught committing fraud. Republicans REALLY want to be able to cheat. WTF Van is in here all day everyday, but when I make a post that's over two sentences, he's like "whoa Kz is so triggered." But yeah, I still think it's wrong to send a guy to prison for a 7 year old meme. Especially when the joke is plastered everywhere every election season by people on both sides of the aisle.
October 20, 20232 yr Captain Pizzagate sure is in a cranky mood this morning. Seems like such a calm, chill dude on most days too. Very normal, you could even say. Hate to see it.
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