1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Exactly. It's not always apparent to those from other industries, but there's an interment level of familiarity that takes months to replace. When you're making such massive cuts without any opportunity for knowledge transfer, the product will inevitably suffer.

exactly. no one is irreplaceable, but getting people up to speed to replace some people totally blows and takes a ton of time. I’ve been in my particular department in a multitude of roles for most of my career as have a few others and if the 2-3 of us just quit it would be a nightmare for whomever was left. They’d eventually figure it out, but it would definitely not be overnight. Losing that overall institutional and process knowledge is a killer in the short term and can lead to massive issues 

After Elon Musk's ultimatum, Twitter employees start exiting

https://www.reuters.com/technology/after-elon-musks-ultimatum-twitter-employees-start-exiting-2022-11-18/

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Hundreds of Twitter Inc employees are estimated to have decided to quit the beleaguered social media company following a  Thursday deadline from new owner Elon Musk that staffers sign up for "long hours at high intensity," or leave.

 

Is Elon trying for this remake?

Elon's ego will lead him to believe he can build it back quickly and better.  That's a tough row to hoe.  Of course, taking Twitter down is a net positive for society so I'm rooting for him.  I don't care if he fails in trying to build it back up or not.

I'm confused by the 11 billion comment. I remember people saying Twitter would reject his offer because he lowballed them and were surprised that they accepted his offer

The stock offer came in before the stock market started to tank so what was once a lowball offer suddenly became fair price.

I just don’t really see how musk turns it around. Once the general public moves on to something else there is usually no recovering for Internet companies. Twitter could easily end up the way of MySpace. 

4 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Losing up to 90% of your workforce in two weeks was expected? Okey dokey

He's not an idiot and had to know how unproductive their engineers were. There are good and bad in every industry, but some do just enough to get by and play games the rest of the time. The market is already changing and there are some good developers available who weren't a few months ago. Those people aren't going to be happy.

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He's not an idiot and had to know how unproductive their engineers were. There are good and bad in every industry, but some do just enough to get by and play games the rest of the time. The market is already changing and there are some good developers available who weren't a few months ago. Those people aren't going to be happy.

What was unproductive about their engineers? 

 

The Egotist, failed to allow a Top Twitter Corp. Executive, to run the day to day operations. He should of left the company alone and in capable hands of someone who knows how to operate the company. Big mistake.

 

8 minutes ago, Lloyd said:

What was unproductive about their engineers? 

 

If he's asking them to be more productive to the point of demanding they be in his office with their work history and screenshots I'm guessing there was a reason. It's not an uncommon problem in the industry. Most work hard but many screw around and play games. It might have been fine with the old culture of Twitter, but he obviously wants more.

7 minutes ago, Lloyd said:

What was unproductive about their engineers? 

 

He can't possible know, he is just playing parrot right now.

4 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

He can't possible know, he is just playing parrot right now.

Do you work in the tech industry? You are playing parrot and trolling as usual.

7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Do you work in the tech industry? You are playing parrot and trolling as usual.

No I don't. I also have no inside info on the Twitter layoffs and resignations. Do you?

6 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

No I don't. I also have no inside info on the Twitter layoffs and resignations. Do you?

So you know nothing about the industry and are just running your mouth. Yes, I actually do.

29 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He's not an idiot and had to know how unproductive their engineers were. There are good and bad in every industry, but some do just enough to get by and play games the rest of the time. The market is already changing and there are some good developers available who weren't a few months ago. Those people aren't going to be happy.

There's a difference between "trimming the fat" and losing 85% of your workforce (if that's in fact true as to what's happening).

Musk isn't an idiot.  But he's impulsive, and is known for doing things without really taking the time to think things through (like buying Twitter for $44 billion for example)

5 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

The offices are currently completely shut down so I wouldn't be too sure about that. 

I also see no indication that these employees left cause they thought that Twitter wouldn't survive without them. They left (despite Musk begging many of them to stay) because they didn't want to work in crappier conditions for a manchild throwing a tantrum. It's the tech industry, they'll all land on their feet. No reason not to take the 3 month vacation courtesy of Space Karen. 

There have been some proper hissy fits (ironically on Twitter) from old employees lamenting the fact that their job (and teams job) was too important and the world would be worse off without them. Incredibly arrogant.  Crappier conditions is ironic when all employees had a day of rest each month, OTT perks in the office, etc.  They are being asked to be productive overal

4 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

This demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what software product development even is. Nobody in the industry expected the app would stop functioning overnight. 

There were people this morning UK timing claiming Twitter would go down anytime now because no one was monitoring it. It was strange reading it on the platform they said would collapse under the weight of not being maintained.

It will need change, but no one would spend $44 billion and just leave it there to die.  Are there other people looking at system health, etc - of course. 

Just now, UK Eagle said:

There have been some proper hissy fits (ironically on Twitter) from old employees lamenting the fact that their job (and teams job) was too important and the world would be worse off without them. Incredibly arrogant.  Crappier conditions is ironic when all employees had a day of rest each month, OTT perks in the office, etc.  They are being asked to be productive overal

There were people this morning UK timing claiming Twitter would go down anytime now because no one was monitoring it. It was strange reading it on the platform they said would collapse under the weight of not being maintained.

It will need change, but no one would spend $44 billion and just leave it there to die.  Are there other people looking at system health, etc - of course. 

Those people sound like they don't have the slightest clue either. I'm sorry you were influenced by what they said, but they're grossly misinformed just like our friend Parrot Head is.

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

So you know nothing about the industry and are just running your mouth. Yes, I actually do.

Cool, I've been looking for some good info on this. How many employees does Twitter have right now, say at the end of this weeks business? How many of the people laid off were unproductive (a percentage is fine)? How many of those that resigned were considered "essential"? Of the people that decided to accept the severance, how many of them were in the group that he asked to stay last night, and how many of those accepted his offer? Thanks in advance, this stuff is kinda hard for an outsider to piece together.

36 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He's not an idiot and had to know how unproductive their engineers were. There are good and bad in every industry, but some do just enough to get by and play games the rest of the time. The market is already changing and there are some good developers available who weren't a few months ago. Those people aren't going to be happy.

He clearly didn't expect so many of them to call his bluff. That much is painfully obvious seeing as how he was already forced to walk back his ultimatum about Twitter 2.0.

4 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Cool, I've been looking for some good info on this. How many employees does Twitter have right now, say at the end of this weeks business? How many of the people laid off were unproductive (a percentage is fine)? How many of those that resigned were considered "essential"? Of the people that decided to accept the severance, how many of them were in the group that he asked to stay last night, and how many of those accepted his offer? Thanks in advance, this stuff is kinda hard for an outsider to piece together.

Luckly, it's easy to answer them all with the same response: I'm not your Google mofo. I have friends at most of the Big Five who have worked for many other names you know and love. I was told others f'ed off when they were there, so it doesn't shock me.

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Those people sound like they don't have the slightest clue either. I'm sorry you were influenced by what they said, but they're grossly misinformed just like our friend Parrot Head is.

I know.  My company works in DR, backup etc, so I just found that part very entertaining.  They will have plans and tools in place bring it back up if there are issue. Way too much drama around it going down - if it could not be brought up, just proves how bad their development and product teams are and why Musk was right to RIF them outta there.

 

8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

He clearly didn't expect so many of them to call his bluff. That much is painfully obvious seeing as how he was already forced to walk back his ultimatum about Twitter 2.0.

Yep. I don't know if he's an idiot...even though I'll call him one online. But he's making awful decisions very publicly. Unnecessarily publicly.  If he dropped his own personal tweeting, and his desire to be seen as edgy, he wouldn't be hemorrhaging advertisers. Whatever you think of his intellect, he's not acting from a purely rational place. 

9 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I know.  My company works in DR, backup etc, so I just found that part very entertaining.  They will have plans and tools in place bring it back up if there are issue. Way too much drama around it going down - if it could not be brought up, just proves how bad their development and product teams are and why Musk was right to RIF them outta there.

Nothing about the past couple weeks has been particularly well planned. He's faceplanted multiple times not because of poor planning, but because of a lack of any plan at all it seems.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Nothing about the past couple weeks has been particularly well planned. He's faceplanted multiple times not because of poor planning, but because of a lack of any plan at all it seems.

Regardless of logistical planning, they will have cloud suppliers/partners, processes, etc in place to bring the site backup, and code backups to be restored - their code was locked down too so there will be some level of stability there.  Those things are not dependent on resource planning, esp when Tesla employees have been inhouse looking at stuff. 

We'll never know if Musk had an evil plan to remove 90% of workers all along or simply dug deeper into the org and realised that there were people there who were collecting a pay check and not that critical to the overall performance. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Alix Partners were involved somewhere in all of this. Has those types of companies finger prints all over it

11 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Regardless of logistical planning, they will have cloud suppliers/partners, processes, etc in place to bring the site backup, and code backups to be restored - their code was locked down too so there will be some level of stability there.  Those things are not dependent on resource planning, esp when Tesla employees have been inhouse looking at stuff. 

We'll never know if Musk had an evil plan to remove 90% of workers all along or simply dug deeper into the org and realised that there were people there who were collecting a pay check and not that critical to the overall performance. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Alix Partners were involved somewhere in all of this. Has those types of companies finger prints all over it

You think that will matter if 90% of their staff is gone? They'll have issues unlocking accounts let alone having someone restore their infrastructure from snapshots or IaC.