1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

You think that will matter if 90% of their staff is gone? They'll have issues unlocking accounts let alone having someone restore their infrastructure from snapshots or IaC.

Depends what the staff were doing who were let go.  There has been a presumption that all teccies have gone and no one is looking after the platform.  I just can't believe that is the case and don't see any evidence of that, other than lots of wishing it would go down as a gesture to laugh at Musk for not solving world hunger instead, etc.

7 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Depends what the staff were doing who were let go.  There has been a presumption that all teccies have gone and no one is looking after the platform.  I just can't believe that is the case and don't see any evidence of that, other than lots of wishing it would go down as a gesture to laugh at Musk for not solving world hunger instead, etc.

Oh I'm sure the important people weren't let go. However, this "ultimatum" is clearly blowing up in Musk's face. Most people who are really good at their jobs will gladly jump at a voluntary layoff.

7 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

There have been some proper hissy fits (ironically on Twitter) from old employees lamenting the fact that their job (and teams job) was too important and the world would be worse off without them. Incredibly arrogant.  Crappier conditions is ironic when all employees had a day of rest each month, OTT perks in the office, etc.  They are being asked to be productive overal

You got a link to those employees complaining that the "world would be worse off without them"?  Sounds made up. I've seen plenty of people speculating "hey x, y, z team was let go/quit...that's going to be a huge problem going forward". Which again, given the fact that the buildings are totally shut down is more likely to be true than not.

And no they're not just being asked to "be productive". He's making ridiculous ultimatums like demanding 100% in person staffing in high cost cities, then scrambling to try and retain employees and backtrack from those ultimatums  when they result in them telling him to F off.

Free market economics works both ways. The employees had a choice to stick around given certain criteria, or take severance and find a new job. The fact that such a massive majority of employees took the latter option is absolutely more a reflection of the Chief Narcissist Officer than the employees. 

JFC. There is no grand plan. He is the dog that caught the car and has no idea what to do. And he let people opt to quit and take severance - which is insane and let whole teams head for the doors. Now he is scrambling to try and keep/replace people. 

 

29 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

 

The Roy Williams gif with Trump’s head is 🔥

 

4 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Regardless of logistical planning, they will have cloud suppliers/partners, processes, etc in place to bring the site backup, and code backups to be restored - their code was locked down too so there will be some level of stability there.  Those things are not dependent on resource planning, esp when Tesla employees have been inhouse looking at stuff. 

We'll never know if Musk had an evil plan to remove 90% of workers all along or simply dug deeper into the org and realised that there were people there who were collecting a pay check and not that critical to the overall performance. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Alix Partners were involved somewhere in all of this. Has those types of companies finger prints all over it

Like we touched on before, it's not that easy. I don't care how disciplined you are with documentation and PI planning, familiarity matters, knowledge transfer matters, hell even just a few tools they've never seen before is enough to set back tasks for weeks.

4 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Depends what the staff were doing who were let go.  There has been a presumption that all teccies have gone and no one is looking after the platform.  I just can't believe that is the case and don't see any evidence of that, other than lots of wishing it would go down as a gesture to laugh at Musk for not solving world hunger instead, etc.

One engineer said that resignations had hit important parts of the company's engineering operation.

"Entire teams representing critical infrastructure are voluntarily departing the company, leaving the company at serious risk of being able to recover," the engineer, who said they were handing in their resignation on Thursday, wrote to CNBC.

The engineer added that many leaving Twitter did not feel the need to stay, and that they only knew of two people staying, one because the company sponsored their U.S. visa.

"We are skilled professionals with lots of options, so Elon has given us no reasons to stay and many to leave," they wrote.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/11/17/new-wave-of-resignations-hits-twitter-after-musk-ultimatum.html

Imagine walking into Boeing in the middle of the design and engineering of the 747 and telling the engineering teams that they need to get with the program and start working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week or some crap, or they can leave with 3 mos pay.

75-80% of the engineers decide "I don't need this crap" and walk.

Do you think that even if Boeing could find capable engineers to fill those roles quickly (which they will not be able to do because the batsh** crazy CEO just made it clear publicly that Boeing is a toxic place to work) that there would be any measure of continuity to the process? Every new engineer is going to need to follow the thread back to the beginning on their portion to fully understand what they are doing and more importantly WHY they are doing.

With code I'd argue it's even more challenging because you're dealing far more with abstract ideas. Twitter may have relatively strict coding standards (I have no idea) and maybe decent documentation, but neither of those are given and almost certainly there is an extensive amount of spaghetti code in many of Twitter's critical systems. You start trying to "fix" something without knowing the implications and you've just created 3 new bugs.

Places that have the "we have to ship code" mentality are going to have a much higher chance of spaghetti code & messy shortcuts, and lots more technical debt. Employee retention is key for these organizations because getting a new employee trained up on the system may be measured in years.

What Elon is doing is incredibly reckless and stupid. He seems compelled to act this way because it's his identity. If he was actually smart - or perhaps wise is a better word - he would have the self awareness to recognize he's not the right guy for this job right now. 

3 hours ago, vikas83 said:

JFC. There is no grand plan. He is the dog that caught the car and has no idea what to do. And he let people opt to quit and take severance - which is insane and let whole teams head for the doors. Now he is scrambling to try and keep/replace people. 

I remember you guys using this analogy very early on in this thread and it honestly couldn't be more apt. Each passing day only reinforces that.

1 hour ago, Lloyd said:

 

1. No, Elon doesn't have a plan and is in the FO stage of FAFO.

2. Cracking the whip and throwing out ultimatums to every highly skilled/qualified worker and offering nothing in return is a monumentally stupid idea.

3. From an enterprise infrastructure perspective, losing 90% of your engineers at once is devastating. That's a lot of talent and knowledge walking out the door at once. 

4. It would take a combination of time and bad fortune for Twitter to "go down" in the near term. No reasonable person expects Twitter's service/content delivery systems and networks to collapse.

 

 

 

17 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Luckly, it's easy to answer them all with the same response: I'm not your Google mofo. I have friends at most of the Big Five who have worked for many other names you know and love. I was told others f'ed off when they were there, so it doesn't shock me.

So as usual, you are completely useless and just running your mouth. But you do know some guys. Cool

2 hours ago, Boogyman said:

 But you do know some guys. Cool

Green is not your color.

20 hours ago, lynched1 said:

Green is not your color.

Wrong as usual, I look amazing in green. Makes my green eyes pop, fool 

2 hours ago, Boogyman said:

So as usual, you are completely useless and just running your mouth. But you do know some guys. Cool

I can cross triggering a bit*h off my to do list for the day. Love it.  

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I can cross triggering a bit*h off my to do list for the day. Love it.  

I'm not angry, I'm making fun of you. I'm actually so calm I didn't even have to censor any of the words I'm using in my posts.

I figured a guy like you should recognize when he is being made fun of pretty quickly because of all the experience you have in the area, but I guess I'm giving you too much credit.

Lmao

 

2 hours ago, Boogyman said:

I'm not angry, I'm making fun of you. I'm actually so calm I didn't even have to censor any of the words I'm using in my posts.

I figured a guy like you should recognize when he is being made fun of pretty quickly because of all the experience you have in the area, but I guess I'm giving you too much credit.

A lot of people who aren't funny think they are and have to write a post explaining their attempt. Nothing wrong with being an open mic guy.

19 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

A lot of people who aren't funny think they are and have to write a post explaining their attempt. Nothing wrong with being an open mic guy.

I get it. You felt obligated to say I'm "triggered" after I exposed you as not knowing what you were talking about. It's pretty much SOP for you by now. 

30 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

I get it. You felt obligated to say I'm "triggered" after I exposed you as not knowing what you were talking about. It's pretty much SOP for you by now. 

Rambling open mic-er won't get off stage