July 8, 20214 yr 33 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I'm not saying it was an invention of the right. It was an invention of the far left that the right wing media seized on. What I'm saying is that the notion that the entire Democratic Party, or even close to a majority of it, is pro-Defund the Police is an invention of the right, and when pro-Fund the Police Dems keep winning in high profile races it punches holes in the lies the right tells to their voting base. The far left certainly tried to push Defund (and still is trying it by the way), but that doesn't, and never has, had any bearing on the larger Democratic Party. Biden easily won the nomination, was never a Defund the Police guy and has boosted funding for police since coming into office (while every Republican voted against funding the police). Proof is in the pudding. I'd much rather support the party that actually pays to fund the police but has a vocal extreme flank that screams Defund then the party that pays lip service to cops but can't be bothered to vote for the funding they need because doing so would mean they committed the cardinal sin of working with the other side. But I don't blame you for getting triggered by pro-Fund the Police Dems winning high profile elections. It's given you guys a lot of mileage, so I'm sure you'd like to keep pretending that it's a mainstream Dem idea. Biden never specifically said "defund the police" but he did jump fully onboard demonizing them as racist systemic oppressors. He said it after the cop shot the dude who violently resisted arrest with a knife. Remember?
July 8, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, VanHammersly said: I'm not saying it was an invention of the right. It was an invention of the far left that the right wing media seized on. What I'm saying is that the notion that the entire Democratic Party, or even close to a majority of it, is pro-Defund the Police is an invention of the right, and when pro-Fund the Police Dems keep winning in high profile races it punches holes in the lies the right tells to their voting base. The far left certainly tried to push Defund (and still is trying it by the way), but that doesn't, and never has, had any bearing on the larger Democratic Party. Biden easily won the nomination, was never a Defund the Police guy and has boosted funding for police since coming into office (while every Republican voted against funding the police). Proof is in the pudding. I'd much rather support the party that actually pays to fund the police but has a vocal extreme flank that screams Defund then the party that pays lip service to cops but can't be bothered to vote for the funding they need because doing so would mean they committed the cardinal sin of working with the other side. But I don't blame you for getting triggered by pro-Fund the Police Dems winning high profile elections. It's given you guys a lot of mileage, so I'm sure you'd like to keep pretending that it's a mainstream Dem idea. I actually agree most Dems dont want to defund the police. At least I hope so, because its the most idiotic notion ever. But that political movement took hold within the Democratic party, just like BLM and other radical movements. That happened The current mayor of NY is a Defund The Police Democratic loon. That happened, its not a GOP lie.
July 8, 20214 yr https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/13/at-least-13-cities-are-defunding-their-police-departments/ Lies, all GOP lies! Only Austin, San Fran, Baltimore, DC, Seattle, Philly, and a few other cities cut their police funding ...oh and New York and LA. Other than that, its a total mischaracterization of Dem political positions! Boo hoo!
July 9, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Mike31mt said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/13/at-least-13-cities-are-defunding-their-police-departments/ Lies, all GOP lies! Only Austin, San Fran, Baltimore, DC, Seattle, Philly, and a few other cities cut their police funding ...oh and New York and LA. Other than that, its a total mischaracterization of Dem political positions! Boo hoo! We gonna lift that trophy or what?
July 9, 20214 yr I might be super late, but one of my favorite foods is collard greens. And I've never lived south of pottstown.....
July 9, 20214 yr On 7/2/2021 at 9:31 AM, Kz! said: bruh... This is because they made the main alien antagonist in Alien Resurrection white, isn’t it?
July 9, 20214 yr 12 hours ago, VanHammersly said: Biden easily won the nomination Honest question, because I may be remembering this incorrectly, but wasn’t he basically out of money and looking dead in the water prior to his SC victory? It wasn’t until after that everyone but Bernie dropped out and it became "easy”
July 9, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, paco said: Honest question, because I may be remembering this incorrectly, but wasn’t he basically out of money and looking dead in the water prior to his SC victory? It wasn’t until after that everyone but Bernie dropped out and it became "easy” Well, there was only 1 primary before SC (and 1 caucus in Iowa), so the actual race had just started. It doesn't seem like that because we drag out these things so long and there's so much polling/new stories prior to the first votes being cast, but at that point it was just getting going. He certainly didn't have the momentum prior to SC but since the couple states that had already voted were pretty liberal ones, almost all of the mainstream Democratic Party had yet to weigh in. And once he got the SC win, I'd say it was pretty easy from there on out. He never lost momentum after that.
July 9, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, paco said: Honest question, because I may be remembering this incorrectly, but wasn’t he basically out of money and looking dead in the water prior to his SC victory? It wasn’t until after that everyone but Bernie dropped out and it became "easy” he wasn't looking good. Clymer absolutely saved his ass. once it was clear that the black vote, crucial to the Dems, were signaling very strong support for Biden, all the other non-socialists and non-crazies dropped out to give Biden his lane. it was clear none of them had the support either, but fragmenting the non-crazy voting base would have just made a Bernie nomination more likely, and NOBODY wanted that.
July 9, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, VanHammersly said: Well, there was only 1 primary before SC (and 1 caucus in Iowa), so the actual race had just started. It doesn't seem like that because we drag out these things so long and there's so much polling/new stories prior to the first votes being cast, but at that point it was just getting going. He certainly didn't have the momentum prior to SC but since the couple states that had already voted were pretty liberal ones, almost all of the mainstream Democratic Party had yet to weigh in. And once he got the SC win, I'd say it was pretty easy from there on out. He never lost momentum after that. Gotcha. The bolded part.... 100% true and thus my confusion. Looking back, I feel like there was 5 or 6 rounds of ballots being cast prior to SC
July 9, 20214 yr 48 minutes ago, paco said: Gotcha. The bolded part.... 100% true and thus my confusion. Looking back, I feel like there was 5 or 6 rounds of ballots being cast prior to SC Not having a clean winner out of Iowa really kept things in flux. Winning Iowa is overrated by pundits, but deflecting media attention from Biden's poor performance there was helpful. Iowa coverage crowded out a lot of the ok gs.
July 9, 20214 yr 14 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: We gonna lift that trophy or what? Ill still believe it when I see it. I though it was all over vs. Spain. They match up a little better with England though, Ill say that
July 9, 20214 yr 30 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Ill still believe it when I see it. I though it was all over vs. Spain. They match up a little better with England though, Ill say that Nah, ya gotta have faith ragazzino. I knew once France was out, that ish was ours.
July 10, 20214 yr On 7/8/2021 at 2:53 PM, VanHammersly said: I'm not saying it was an invention of the right. It was an invention of the far left that the right wing media seized on. What I'm saying is that the notion that the entire Democratic Party, or even close to a majority of it, is pro-Defund the Police is an invention of the right, and when pro-Fund the Police Dems keep winning in high profile races it punches holes in the lies the right tells to their voting base. The far left certainly tried to push Defund (and still is trying it by the way), but that doesn't, and never has, had any bearing on the larger Democratic Party. Biden easily won the nomination, was never a Defund the Police guy and has boosted funding for police since coming into office (while every Republican voted against funding the police). Proof is in the pudding. I'd much rather support the party that actually pays to fund the police but has a vocal extreme flank that screams Defund then the party that pays lip service to cops but can't be bothered to vote for the funding they need because doing so would mean they committed the cardinal sin of working with the other side. But I don't blame you for getting triggered by pro-Fund the Police Dems winning high profile elections. It's given you guys a lot of mileage, so I'm sure you'd like to keep pretending that it's a mainstream Dem idea. All those words when you could have just said that democrats in contested elections can't be honest about their intentions.
July 10, 20214 yr On 7/8/2021 at 7:10 PM, Mike31mt said: I actually agree most Dems dont want to defund the police. At least I hope so, because its the most idiotic notion ever. But that political movement took hold within the Democratic party, just like BLM and other radical movements. That happened The current mayor of NY is a Defund The Police Democratic loon. That happened, its not a GOP lie. Most Dems don't want to defund the police. The Trumplicans who voted against the covid relief bill also voted against funding the police. The Covid relief bill had money in it for local governments who would use that money to fund the police. Every Trumplican in both houses voted against the funding bill. So the Radical Right may claim Dems support defunding the police but it was actually Trumplicans who voted it for it. Everyone one of them.
July 10, 20214 yr Interesting that they want to fund police through a COVID relief bill rather than just properly fund them in the budget. anyone know why that is…?
July 10, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, SNOORDA said: Interesting that they want to fund police through a COVID relief bill rather than just properly fund them in the budget. anyone know why that is…? The same reason as every bill, Republican or Democrat sponsored, is put together. To try and stick it to the other side. I think "bills" as we know them should be done away with altogether. Vote on each item individually. They get paid well and only work half the year at most anyway.
July 10, 20214 yr 38 minutes ago, NOTW said: If any of you need an example from crazytown (i.e. the super progressive left) look no further.
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