42 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

One place would be here - https://aws.amazon.com/data-exchange/ 

Most of it came from companies, universities, and freely available datasets found from various sources on the web. Again, they are not scraping or web crawling to build their database. 

So "on the web".  Ok, obviously that was the case.  So, the followup question is "ok, so where does the data come from in all those other databases"?

Let's suppose for a minute that the entire supply chain of data for this bot does not include any scraping/crawling, etc.  That could be the case (probably unlikely though).  So that would mean that the data is somehow selected/limited/moderated.  I'm sure that is the case and that is fine but the narrative should be transparent on that item.

32 minutes ago, TEW said:

  

Yeah, I’m sure writing a complimentary poem about Donald Trump is going to upset the right and totally not the completely unhinged left, which is why it ONLY seems to apply to Trump.

Give it up already. We all know that big tech purposefully censors the guy. You aren’t fooling anyone, not even yourself.

And FYI, they ARE transparent. I literally posted the screen grab of them being transparent about the censorship. Just stop.

This is why you should stay in your lane.

16 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

So "on the web".  Ok, obviously that was the case.  So, the followup question is "ok, so where does the data come from in all those other databases"?

Let's suppose for a minute that the entire supply chain of data for this bot does not include any scraping/crawling, etc.  That could be the case (probably unlikely though).  So that would mean that the data is somehow selected/limited/moderated.  I'm sure that is the case and that is fine but the narrative should be transparent on that item.

Except that is not how it works. People keep falling back on the notion that this data is somehow gathered from sources and that this is just regurgitated back to the front-end user based off of their question.

ChatGPT works very similarly to StyleGAN in that it takes data from the backend, calculates it, and formulates it into something human-understandable. It doesn't use predefined information.  Here is an example of StyleGAN - 

https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/

3 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Except that is not how it works. People keep falling back on the notion that this data is somehow gathered from sources and that this is just regurgitated back to the front-end user based off of their question.

ChatGPT works very similarly to StyleGAN in that it takes data from the backend, calculates it, and formulates it into something human-understandable. It doesn't use predefined information.  Here is an example of StyleGAN - 

https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/

You seem to missing the entire point. The data that ChatGPT uses comes from somewhere.  The fact that the data is processed, indexed, and turned it into something that humans understand doesn't change things.  The input has to come from somewhere and the ML going on can only learn based on the data it has access to together with the rules it uses to assess and make sense of the data.

8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

You seem to missing the entire point. The data that ChatGPT uses comes from somewhere.  The fact that the data is processed, indexed, and turned it into something that humans understand doesn't change things.  The input has to come from somewhere and the ML going on can only learn based on the data it has access to together with the rules it uses to assess and make sense of the data.

A biased data set will generate a biased result.  This is a basic statistical concept.

1 minute ago, BBE said:

A biased data set will generate a biased result.  

Indeed

14 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

You seem to missing the entire point. The data that ChatGPT uses comes from somewhere.  The fact that the data is processed, indexed, and turned it into something that humans understand doesn't change things.  The input has to come from somewhere and the ML going on can only learn based on the data it has access to together with the rules it uses to assess and make sense of the data.

What do you think this dataset looks like?

FFS, who cares. 

Stop being lazy and write your own damn poem about the greatness of Donald Trump or just STFU because a free bot won't do it for you.

8 minutes ago, BBE said:

A biased data set will generate a biased result.  This is a basic statistical concept.

Biased data is incomplete, has poor information, or missing variables that produce less than desirable results or statistical anomalies. What is not is information like 'Trump is an orange-tinged communist with the IQ of a three-year-old.'

There's no such thing as an "unbiased" dataset. Historically accurate reports are considered "biased" by history's losers.

However we do have a presidential term filled with scandal, impeachments, and Jan 6.

Any dataset that is remotely historically accurate is going to paint a pretty rough picture of Trump.

For some this constitutes bias. Nothing you can do there.

Edit: for clarity

 

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

FFS, who cares. 

Stop being lazy and write your own damn poem about the greatness of Donald Trump or just STFU because a free bot won't do it for you.

Donald is the best

He is not from Delaware

Unlike dat Vikas

8 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Biased data is incomplete, has poor information, or missing variables that produce less than desirable results or statistical anomalies. What is not is information like 'Trump is an orange-tinged communist with the IQ of a three-year-old.'

Are you implying that the dataset this bot has access to is "complete"?

9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

There's no such thing as an "unbiased" dataset.

Winner winner chicken dinner

22 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

What do you think this dataset looks like?

I couldn't give a rat's arse what this dataset looks like.  What I do know is that it is "biased" just as Mr SnowsHair points out.

By the way, there is pretty much nothing of value within Trump the individual.  As Sam Harris says, "Trump is a bundle of sin and gore".

I asked ChatGPT to write a poem about the greatness of the football team from Dallas in the 21st century. It imploded and immediately shut down. 

Sorry guys -- I ruined it for everyone.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I asked ChatGPT to write a poem about the greatness of the football team from Dallas in the 21st century. It imploded and immediately shut down. 

Sorry guys -- I ruined it for everyone.

Well then, I suppose the dataset was indeed complete

18 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Biased data is incomplete, has poor information, or missing variables that produce less than desirable results or statistical anomalies. What is not is information like 'Trump is an orange-tinged communist with the IQ of a three-year-old.'

You missed the point.  

19 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

There's no such thing as an "unbiased" dataset. Historically accurate reports are considered "biased" by history's losers.

However we do have a presidential term filled with scandal, impeachments, and Jan 6.

Any dataset that is remotely historically accurate is going to paint a pretty rough picture of Trump.

For some this constitutes bias. Nothing you can do there.

Edit: for clarity

 

Actually there are absolutely unbiased data sets.

 

Trump's incompetence notwithstanding, the fact that it would not produce any positive points to a data set issue.

12 minutes ago, BBE said:

Actually there are absolutely unbiased data sets.

 

Trump's incompetence notwithstanding, the fact that it would not produce any positive points to a data set issue.

This was clearly a human curated response. It was moderated. The dataset produced SOME kind of responses to various questions around Trump. And somewhere along the way the developers determined that the responses for such a polarizing figure would invite controversy they did not want. 

I asked various questions around Trump. Many were answered with the exact phrasing as above. I even asked it "what about the good things Hitler did" and it basically said "Hitler was so evil it doesn't matter". 

It has answers. The dev team deemed them not appropriate. My speculation is that it's because fragile snowflakes who still support Trump would focus so heavily on that that it would undercut the technology.

 

ChatGPT shun Trump

Multi page argument starts

Peak CVON

 

 

(I know line one is 6.  be quiet, dorks)

FWIW if you ask "what are some of Donald trump's achievements" it replies: 

 

As the 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump's achievements include:

1. Tax Reforms: Trump signed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act in December 2017, which reduced the corporate tax rate and simplified the individual tax code.

2. Jobs creation: During his time in office, the economy added millions of jobs, and the unemployment rate dropped to near record lows.

3. Trade Deals: Trump renegotiated trade deals with countries such as Mexico, Canada, and China, which he believed were unfair to the US.

4. Supreme Court appointments: He appointed two conservative justices to the Supreme Court, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh.

5. Israel-UAE Peace Deal: Trump helped broker a historic peace agreement between Israel and the United Arab Emirates in August 2020.

It is important to note that these achievements are subject to interpretation and political bias, and not everyone may agree with them.

3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

This was clearly a human curated response. It was moderated. The dataset produced SOME kind of responses to various questions around Trump. And somewhere along the way the developers determined that the responses for such a polarizing figure would invite controversy they did not want. 

I asked various questions around Trump. Many were answered with the exact phrasing as above. I even asked it "what about the good things Hitler did" and it basically said "Hitler was so evil it doesn't matter". 

It has answers. The dev team deemed them not appropriate. My speculation is that it's because fragile snowflakes who still support Trump would focus so heavily on that that it would undercut the technology.

 

It still does address the question regarding the integrity of the data set.  CHATGPT and any other machine learning/AI will always be limited by the data available to it.  Using a genocidal psychopath as an argument is not exactly a strong one.

Here's your stupid ML generated "poem of positive attributes of Donald Trump:" 

 

A leader bold, with a heart of gold,
He stood firm in the face of untold.
With a voice that echoed loud and clear,
Bringing change, year after year.

A businessman with a vision grand,
Bringing jobs and wealth to the land.
His efforts paid off, the economy grew,
And prosperity was the nation's due.

With a steadfast resolve and iron will,
He pushed for policies that benefited still.
Lower taxes, fair trade, and secure borders,
He worked to put his country's needs in order.

A champion for the everyday man,
He worked to make their lives better, if he can.
And though some may not agree with his ways,
His love for country will always stay.

So let us remember his legacy fair,
And the impact he made, with his zest and care.
For though he may have gone, his influence remains,
A leader who will always be remembered with great pains.

8 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

This was clearly a human curated response. It was moderated. The dataset produced SOME kind of responses to various questions around Trump. And somewhere along the way the developers determined that the responses for such a polarizing figure would invite controversy they did not want. 

I asked various questions around Trump. Many were answered with the exact phrasing as above. I even asked it "what about the good things Hitler did" and it basically said "Hitler was so evil it doesn't matter". 

It has answers. The dev team deemed them not appropriate. My speculation is that it's because fragile snowflakes who still support Trump would focus so heavily on that that it would undercut the technology.

 

Test the converse.  If the same result is obtained then it will prove your moderation hypothesis. 

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

Here's your stupid ML generated "poem of positive attributes of Donald Trump:" 

 

A leader bold, with a heart of gold,
He stood firm in the face of untold.
With a voice that echoed loud and clear,
Bringing change, year after year.

A businessman with a vision grand,
Bringing jobs and wealth to the land.
His efforts paid off, the economy grew,
And prosperity was the nation's due.

With a steadfast resolve and iron will,
He pushed for policies that benefited still.
Lower taxes, fair trade, and secure borders,
He worked to put his country's needs in order.

A champion for the everyday man,
He worked to make their lives better, if he can.
And though some may not agree with his ways,
His love for country will always stay.

So let us remember his legacy fair,
And the impact he made, with his zest and care.
For though he may have gone, his influence remains,
A leader who will always be remembered with great pains.

This is Fing terrible.