There was clearly white people they were waving the guns at though. To say that thing was racial is idiotic. 

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

right. that's all I'm saying. and if they had stayed on their terrace, making it clear they had weapons but not literally swinging the weapon wildly in the direction of the protesters, this video and story would have gotten no traction.

I have little doubt that 100s, perhaps 1,000s, of people have open carried, standing on their porches or stoops, in front of their homes and businesses as protests walked past in a show of force to prevent rioting/looting. they didn't make the news because they didn't wave their muzzles threateningly at protesters while demonstrating little knowledge of firearm safety.

I think there was a baker shop that had shotguns that were protecting their store during the first week of protests. I don’t remember how they handled their guns but it was news

7 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

I mean, he didn't say we're any less responsible than previous generations. Fact is, there is a large percentage of this country that is not financially responsible.

Well, considering it was a reply to my point about wages, I assumed he was trying to make the point that the reason people can't live off lowskill wages is because they're financially irresponsible. There will always be a good portion of financially irresponsible people, but it's just a fact that what people were paid for those same jobs 40 or 50 years ago doesn't get you as far in today's economy. The point is that you can be living very frugally and still not be able to afford basic necessities in many parts of the country, and since most of the manufacturing sector has disappeared, our non-college educated population is trying to survive on these jobs more than ever in what has largely become a service-based economy.

10 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

You know, I wondered if I should add some more text so things could stay on topic

maybe that should be taking to the "fixing racial tensions" thread. might help some of these Karens.

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Well, considering it was a reply to my point about wages, I assumed he was trying to make the point that the reason people can't live off lowskill wages is because they're financially irresponsible. I mean, it's just a fact that what people were paid for those same jobs 40 or 50 years ago doesn't get you as far in today's economy. The point is that you can be living very frugally and still not be able to afford basic necessities in many parts of the country. And since most of the manufacturing sector has disappeared, our non-college educated population is trying to survive on these jobs more than ever in what has largely become a service-based economy.

That's fair but what exactly is "livable" wage? Giving McDonald's workers $15 an hour would still only be just over 30k. Trying to take care of a family of 4 on that isn't going to fly. You can't be handing out 50k+ salaries to fast food workers either.

9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

maybe that should be taking to the "fixing racial tensions" thread. might help some of these Karens.

Nope. I know by the title of that thread that I don't need that in my life.

10 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

That's fair but what exactly is "livable" wage? Giving McDonald's workers $15 an hour would still only be just over 30k. Trying to take care of a family of 4 on that isn't going to fly. You can't be handing out 50k+ salaries to fast food workers either.

$15/hr. seems generally fair to me, but I think it would make more sense to peg minimum wage to regional cost-of-living. I agree that you can't expect to take care of a large family on that kind of wage. I'm generally talking about individuals. Let's face it, the people who tend to have the most kids also tend to be the ones least financially capable of supporting them, which is why I'm as pro-birth control as you can be, but it's not enough. If the fear of poverty was sufficient to deter people from reproducing, then you wouldn't have such high birth rates in the developing world. Supporting a family is a whole different ballgame requiring a broader network of support than just a minimum wage. I think the only long-term solution to reducing the amount of children living in poverty is better education, so let's fund our schools better.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

There was clearly white people they were waving the guns at though. To say that thing was racial is idiotic. 

yeah it was a mix. I wasn't saying it was about race, and those that are are clearly race-baiting. the closest I came was: "rich ivory tower whites living in a gated community created specifically to keep "the poors" (which included all of, though wasn't limited to, the black population) out, feeling so threatened by black protesters walking past their houses that they come out and look ridiculous holding weapons they clearly have no training to use" which was more about what sort of narrative this sort of video would generate and why it "went viral" (I hate that phrase) as opposed to other incidences where people open-carried to protect their homes. 

basically I was, and am, pushing back against this notion that "a person can't even open carry a semi-automatic rifle on their property to defend themselves" .. people have been doing that all along.

 

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I think there was a baker shop that had shotguns that were protecting their store during the first week of protests. I don’t remember how they handled their guns but it was news

I hadn't heard the story. I had to hunt, I assume you mean this? https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/owners-of-corbos-bakery-arm-themselves-to-defend-business-from-looters-vandals

it made some local news, and it doesn't seem like it escalated much. they got a lot of support from the community it appears as well: 

 

that link should take you to 44s in, where a protester asked the guy with the gun in front for the bakery "what do you want to say to everybody, anything?" "keep on doing what you're doing" (presumably referring to the peaceful protests), and someone in the crowd said "I get it man, ya'all trying to protect ya'all ****"

I don't really see these as comparable situations.

You could pay these people $50 an hour and they would still be broke.

Expenses always rise to meet income...Parkinson's 2nd Law

11 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

yeah it was a mix. I wasn't saying it was about race, and those that are are clearly race-baiting. the closest I came was: "rich ivory tower whites living in a gated community created specifically to keep "the poors" (which included all of, though wasn't limited to, the black population) out, feeling so threatened by black protesters walking past their houses that they come out and look ridiculous holding weapons they clearly have no training to use" which was more about what sort of narrative this sort of video would generate and why it "went viral" (I hate that phrase) as opposed to other incidences where people open-carried to protect their homes. 

basically I was, and am, pushing back against this notion that "a person can't even open carry a semi-automatic rifle on their property to defend themselves" .. people have been doing that all along.

 

I hadn't heard the story. I had to hunt, I assume you mean this? https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/owners-of-corbos-bakery-arm-themselves-to-defend-business-from-looters-vandals

it made some local news, and it doesn't seem like it escalated much. they got a lot of support from the community it appears as well: 

 

that link should take you to 44s in, where a protester asked the guy with the gun in front for the bakery "what do you want to say to everybody, anything?" "keep on doing what you're doing" (presumably referring to the peaceful protests), and someone in the crowd said "I get it man, ya'all trying to protect ya'all ****"

I don't really see these as comparable situations.

They were protecting their property. How’s that not comparable? Also the week it happened it was news. It was posted a bunch in the thread along with others

 

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Still in high school and working 40 hrs./week? I that case, the kid is probably either emancipated or working to support extended family, so sure.

no, but working 25-30 hours a week in highschool is nothing out of the ordinary. 

1 minute ago, iladelphxx said:

Nice goiter.

stunning....and.....b..........baaaaaaarrrfffff!  

 

 

2 hours ago, bobeph said:

List of things that DON'T spread the Chinese Virus, according to the media & "experts":

—Pride rallies
—Black Lives Matter protests
—ANTIFA riots
—Massive crowds toppling statues

List of things that DO spread the virus, according to the Media & "experts":

—Trump rallies

 

....and white people at the beach 

Where do you guys find some of these things? What are you searching?

6 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Where do you guys find some of these things? What are you searching?

I often wonder that about the other thread too

15 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Where do you guys find some of these things? What are you searching?

lmfao 

6 minutes ago, Kz! said:

lmfao 

I just find it funny that you weirdos have some type of feed where this stuff pops up. I would have been very happy going through life not seeing some of the things I've seen.

Just now, Paul852 said:

I just find it funny that you weirdos have some type of feed where this stuff pops up. I would have been very happy going through life not seeing some of the things I've seen.

kkkarenZ's browser history gave aids the aids!  

A lot of it will come up in your Twitter feed depending on who you follow - and a lot of times it just leads you to clicking into other tweets and memes - it's like getting into a wiki hole.. except it's more... scary.

9 minutes ago, binkybink77 said:

A lot of it will come up in your Twitter feed depending on who you follow - and a lot of times it just leads you to clicking into other tweets and memes - it's like getting into a wiki hole.. except it's more... scary.

See, wiki holes are educational. The only exposure to Twitter I have is here.

2 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

See, wiki holes are educational. The only exposure to Twitter I have is here.

I had an account for my RE business and then I followed a bunch of sports related accounts.  I'll occasionally add political stuff, but I don't check Twitter very often on my own.  I usually end up in a Twitter hole from clicking a Tweet here and falling in.  It can be both parts entertaining and extremely depressing.

Twitter is the sewer of the internet.