2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I had no idea that Reggie White was a white guy all along.

It's all pretty silly.

She's half Polish half Columbian. She's a white girl with a little color. Playing a fairy tale character. And her look isn't too far off.

If it really bothers you I guess they can't count on your attendance in the theater. 

But my bet is that they're targeting people under 30, mostly under 20. And that group is much more diverse and unbothered by non-whites playing traditionally "white" roles, especially when we're looking at made up fairy tale characters that never actually existed in real life.

Edris playing Heimdall was weird, given the source of mythology, but at the end of the day it was mythology. White actors have a long history of playing roles of historically significant non-whites, so it's a bit difficult to get too upset about good actors getting roles playing "white" characters. 

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

It's all pretty silly.

She's half Polish half Columbian. She's a white girl with a little color. Playing a fairy tale character. And her look isn't too far off.

If it really bothers you I guess they can't count on your attendance in the theater. 

But my bet is that they're targeting people under 30, mostly under 20. And that group is much more diverse and unbothered by non-whites playing traditionally "white" roles, especially when we're looking at made up fairy tale characters that never actually existed in real life.

Edris playing Heimdall was weird, given the source of mythology, but at the end of the day it was mythology. White actors have a long history of playing roles of historically significant non-whites, so it's a bit difficult to get too upset about good actors getting roles playing "white" characters. 

For me its the "Dwarves" that I can't get past.  Let's save a few posts

 

Disney: Athchullyyyyyy.....  they are supernatural beings from German folklore, not actual human beings

 

Also Disney: German Folklore:

 

This is why Democrats fail. Is Disney remaking Snow White with minority characters and full size dwarves a big deal? Of course it isn't. But it's also a gift to Trump and DeSantis. Stupid crap like this helps Trump stay relevant. 

15 minutes ago, paco said:

For me its the "Dwarves" that I can't get past.  Let's save a few posts

 

Disney: Athchullyyyyyy.....  they are supernatural beings from German folklore, not actual human beings

 

Also Disney: German Folklore:

 

Yeah it's weird. But are teams of diamond mining dwarves something drawn from German history?

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This is why Democrats fail. Is Disney remaking Snow White with minority characters and full size dwarves a big deal? Of course it isn't. But it's also a gift to Trump and DeSantis. Stupid crap like this helps Trump stay relevant. 

If the movie is good, it doesn't really matter who is what race. We're talking about a fairy tale, not some historical documentary. Hell, even for something like Hamilton, where it was based on actual people in history, the end product wasn't hampered at all by the fact that the cast were minorities. I'm sure some people couldn't get over the fact that George Washington was played by a black guy, but the dude was super talented, and the end result was awesome because of the talent level of the creators and cast, not in spite of it. 

5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

If the movie is good, it doesn't really matter who is what race. We're talking about a fairy tale, not some historical documentary. Hell, even for something like Hamilton, where it was based on actual people in history, the end product wasn't hampered at all by the fact that the cast were minorities. I'm sure some people couldn't get over the fact that George Washington was played by a black guy, but the dude was super talented, and the end result was awesome because of the talent level of the creators and cast, not in spite of it. 

The main difference is Hamilton was a new play. Snow White has been around forever. 

It's dumb to be mad about it. But it's also dumb to do it for no friggin reason and to strengthen Trump.

 

Seriously - These things and the people who organize this crap deserve to be shot.

 

It's the same as insisting on letting biological males play women's sports. It's a small, irrelevant issue that makes no sense to anyone (there's a reason we have separate men's and women's sports, records, etc.). But Democrats can't let it go, and it motivates morons.

To paraphrase Bill Maher, if what you're doing sounds like an Onion headline, don't do it.

21 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This is why Democrats fail. Is Disney remaking Snow White with minority characters and full size dwarves a big deal? Of course it isn't. But it's also a gift to Trump and DeSantis. Stupid crap like this helps Trump stay relevant. 

Settle down.  They aren't casting you as Prince Charming.

Just now, vikas83 said:

The main difference is Hamilton was a new play. Snow White has been around forever. 

It's dumb to be mad about it. But it's also dumb to do it for no friggin reason and to strengthen Trump.

Eh, the source material had been around forever in both cases and Miranda decided to make the play after reading a recent book by Ron Chernow. Snow White was a Grimm fairytale long before Disney decided to adapt it for animation. And much like some of their other live action stories, it might not be a one-for-one remake. 

You could likewise say Miranda made a decision to cast minorities for the play "for no reason", but again I'll say that as long the person who is being cast is talented, that's what truly matters. 

20 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Yeah it's weird. But are teams of diamond mining dwarves something drawn from German history?

I know in the early 40s the Germans got a lot a diamonds but I'm not aware of any mining done.  

 

 

(The original story they wern't mining diamonds.  It remained unspecified, but likely gold, silver, copper or coal)

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Eh, the source material had been around forever in both cases and Miranda decided to make the play after reading a recent book by Ron Chernow. Snow White was a Grimm fairytale long before Disney decided to adapt it for animation. And much like some of their other live action stories, it might not be a one-for-one remake. 

You could likewise say Miranda made a decision to cast minorities for the play "for no reason", but again I'll say that as long the person who is being cast is talented, that's what truly matters. 

They're not doing it as some sort of creatively re imagined tour-de-force.  It's hard pandering, full-stop.

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

It's the same as insisting on letting biological males play women's sports. It's a small, irrelevant issue that makes no sense to anyone (there's a reason we have separate men's and women's sports, records, etc.). But Democrats can't let it go, and it motivates morons.

To paraphrase Bill Maher, if what you're doing sounds like an Onion headline, don't do it.

Hmm, that's a bit of a stretch, not sure that's really analogous. I can't get onboard with killing the integrity of a sport by giving players an unfair advantage, which is what happens when you allow biological males compete against biological females. I don't see how Miranda casting Leslie Odom Jr for the role of Aaron Burr is really the same thing at all.

Important question:

Are they going to spend roughly 20% of the movie washing their hands (and singing about it?)

4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

They're not doing it as some sort of creatively re imagined tour-de-force.  It's hard pandering, full-stop.

How do we know based on these photos alone? I mean, it might actually suck major balls, but if you'd had heard beforehand there was a play based on Alexander Hamilton, made by a Puerto Rican dude, who would cast himself as lead, with minorities filling out the rest of the cast, you're gonna tell me you wouldn't roll your eyes and prejudge the result? Personally speaking, I know that I did exactly that, and it was jarring for the first couple minutes or so but after that, I forgot about their race and started to think this was a pretty cool concept that just might work.

4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

They're not doing it as some sort of creatively re imagined tour-de-force.  It's hard pandering, full-stop.

Exactly, pandering to a small group of idiots and meanwhile empowering their opponent. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

How do we know based on these photos? I mean, it might actually suck major balls, but if you'd had heard beforehand there was a play based on Alexander Hamilton, made by a Puerto Rican dude, who would cast himself as lead, with minorities filling out the rest of the cast, you're gonna tell me you wouldn't roll your eyes and prejudge the result? Personally speaking, I know that I did exactly that, and it was jarring for the first couple minutes or so but after that, I forgot about their race and started to think this was a pretty cool concept that just might work.

Come on.  We've all seen these live action Disney remakes.  They're popcorn sheet.  I actually heard the Little Mermaid was pretty good for what it was but they're not making ground breaking art here.

Just now, VanHammersly said:

Come on.  We've all seen these live action Disney remakes.  They're popcorn sheet.  I actually heard the Little Mermaid was pretty good for what it was but they're not making ground breaking art here.

And there's a massive difference between remaking an existing film, especially a child's film, and someone writing a musical de novo. 

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Exactly, pandering to a small group of idiots and meanwhile empowering their opponent. 

Very small.  And it more than likely hurts their sales in the broad sense.  It's incredibly stupid from a business standpoint and if it's coming from some sort of ideological POV, then it's flat out counterproductive.

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

Come on.  We've all seen these live action Disney remakes.  They're popcorn sheet.  I actually heard the Little Mermaid was pretty good for what it was but they're not making ground breaking art here.

Haven't seen the Little Mermaid, but I enjoyed the new Aladdin and Lion King. Not as good as the originals, but entertaining enough to sit through with the kids without falling asleep which is more than I can say for some of those old ass ones like Snow White and Sleeping Beauty. 

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Haven't seen the Little Mermaid, but I enjoyed the new Aladdin and Lion King. Not as good as the originals, but entertaining enough to sit through with the kids without falling asleep which is more than I can say for some of those old ass ones like Snow White and Sleeping Beauty. 

I saw Aladdin too.  It was good for what it was.  But it's not art.  It didn't have anything particularly new to say.  It's just a remake of a Disney property.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

And there's a massive difference between remaking an existing film, especially a child's film, and someone writing a musical de novo. 

A musical inspired by a recently released book about Hamilton, who was a literal person in history, not a fictional fairytale character.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Haven't seen the Little Mermaid, but I enjoyed the new Aladdin and Lion King. Not as good as the originals, but entertaining enough to sit through with the kids without falling asleep which is more than I can say for some of those old ass ones like Snow White and Sleeping Beauty. 

I thought Alladin was the best of the live action remakes, of the ones I've seen. My wife saw Little Mermaid when she was on a work trip and said it was just ok.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

A musical inspired by a recently released book about Hamilton, who was a literal person in history, not a fictional fairytale character.

But after Miranda did it for Hamilton, it was done.  It already happened.  A studio changing the race of a character isn't novel.  It isn't saying anything anymore.  It's just pandering.