July 18, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Yes, that came across when I said I couldn't care less but that it would trigger MAGA. I have very clear shown myself to be a MAGA supporter. Try harder with the trolling son. So I'm just curious, how often do you drive to Anaheim to wait in line for pics like this? Once a month?
July 18, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: So I'm just curious, how often do you drive to Anaheim to wait in line for pics like this? Once a month? They should swap outfits to pander to the stoopid lib'rals.
July 18, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: But if it hurts Disney's bottom line, says nothing new artistically and gives the right more fodder for literally the only issue keeping that poverty party alive and kicking, then it's doing way more harm than good. Well that's just it, if they don't break even and lose money on it, they'll stop doing stuff like this. Which reinforces my original point that sent vikas off the rails, because it DOES matter if it's good or not. If the end result is good, makes money, and can appeal to a broad audience like Hamilton did, then it ultimately worked despite the protestations of those who cry foul over some perceived debasement to the IP. If it doesn't, becomes a total flop, and is largely forgotten, then I agree with you.
July 18, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Well that's just it, if they don't break even and lose money on it, they'll stop doing stuff like this. You would think, but they don't seem to be stopping since Snow White is in production now. So either they see some long term strategy that I don't (despite relatively tepid box office sales, Disney+ in a tight spot and declining theme park numbers) or they've decided that this representation twist is somehow making a societal difference and that supersedes their bottom line (which is both insanely stupid and pretty doubtful, since they're, you know, a business designed to make money).
July 18, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: You would think, but they don't seem to be stopping since Snow White is in production now. So either they see some long term strategy that I don't (despite relatively tepid box office sales, Disney+ in a tight spot and declining theme park numbers) or they've decided that this representation twist is somehow making a societal difference and that supersedes their bottom line (which is both insanely stupid and pretty doubtful, since they're, you know, a business designed to make money). Strictly speaking on live action remakes, they haven't lost money yet though, right? I know Aladdin and Lion King were big hits when they were released, not sure about the Alice movies but they made two of them so presumably that first one at least must've done well. There was that Cinderella one a few years before that but not sure how it did. I think the Beauty and the Beast was pretty big too. I gotta imagine they must be doing fairly well financially to be reintroducing all these stories to younger generations. So yeah, if Snow White becomes their first live action remake to flop and lose money, they might rethink the strategy of recasting the race of their main characters. But if it works and they do well, I bet most of these criticisms will fade away as they likely will for Little Mermaid now that it's out and people have watched it.
July 18, 20232 yr 51 minutes ago, vikas83 said: You think more than 20% of Americans can tell you who Alexander Hamilton was? Even after the musical? He's a Nascar driver right?
July 18, 20232 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Strictly speaking on live action remakes, they haven't lost money yet though, right? I know Aladdin and Lion King were big hits when they were released, not sure about the Alice movies but they made two of them so presumably that first one at least must've done well. There was that Cinderella one a few years before that but not sure how it did. I think the Beauty and the Beast was pretty big too. I gotta imagine they must be doing fairly well financially to be reintroducing all these stories to younger generations. So yeah, if Snow White becomes the live action remake to flop and lose money, they might rethink the strategy of recasting the race of their main characters. But if it works and they do well, I bet most of these criticisms will fade away as they likely will for Little Mermaid now that it's out and people have watched it. Mining existing IP is a gold mine for Disney, but one they need to be careful not to run into the ground. Here are some of the grosses: Lion King (2019): ~$540mm Beauty and the Beast (2017): ~$504mm Aladdin (2019): ~$355mm Cinderella (2015): ~$200mm The ones that were the most recent animated movies did the best.
July 18, 20232 yr I'll eat my words on the tepid box office line. Little Mermaid made $550M worldwide. It's their 2nd highest grossing live action remake. So maybe they see a business strategy, but I'd be surprised if it doesn't have a long term backlash.
July 18, 20232 yr Just now, vikas83 said: Mining existing IP is a gold mine for Disney, but one they need to be careful not to run into the ground. Here are some of the grosses: Lion King (2019): ~$540mm Beauty and the Beast (2017): ~$504mm Aladdin (2019): ~$355mm Cinderella (2015): ~$200mm The ones that were the most recent animated movies did the best. Just remembering now that we took the kids to see Dumbo too but that wasn't as good.
July 18, 20232 yr 46 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Got it, you're trolling. Nice job. Damn AC is broken in my office, so I'm ornery. Try being less poor.
July 18, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Mining existing IP is a gold mine for Disney, but one they need to be careful not to run into the ground. Here are some of the grosses: Lion King (2019): ~$540mm Beauty and the Beast (2017): ~$504mm Aladdin (2019): ~$355mm Cinderella (2015): ~$200mm The ones that were the most recent animated movies did the best. Those are domestic numbers right? Curious how global numbers look. I had no idea they did a live action Cinderella.
July 18, 20232 yr 42 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Yes, that came across when I said I couldn't care less but that it would trigger MAGA. I have very clear shown myself to be a MAGA supporter. Try harder with the trolling son. Thank you, go back to your country!
July 18, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Those are domestic numbers right? Curious how global numbers look. I had no idea they did a live action Cinderella. Who cares about anywhere other than America? Damn commie
July 18, 20232 yr Some people use this as fuel for "outrage" others just laugh at it, especially when the attempts bring criticism of not being diverse enough for the SJW types. They are doing a Lilo & Stich live action and Hawaiians are upset they are not casting a 100% Hawaiian but the actress is mixed. Cancel culture mob complained when they cast Bryan Cranston in a wheelchair, when they cast straight actors in gay roles, etc. Now Peter Dinklage said they shouldn't make them dwarfs in this movie so they changed...then other dwarf actors are upset that it's taking role opportunities away from them when Dinklage has been so successful they're saying he's closing doors for them. Doing different takes on characters in and of itself is fine but they're not making choices for artistic reasons to tell the story in a fresh way. It's obvious they are just doing opposite of whitewashing and everyone knows it so it gets a little silly and predictable. It just stands out as being obvious pandering and virtue signaling.
July 18, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: You would think, but they don't seem to be stopping since Snow White is in production now. So either they see some long term strategy that I don't (despite relatively tepid box office sales, Disney+ in a tight spot and declining theme park numbers) or they've decided that this representation twist is somehow making a societal difference and that supersedes their bottom line (which is both insanely stupid and pretty doubtful, since they're, you know, a business designed to make money). Well, their diversty chief, Latondra Newton, recently resigned. Shes the one that changed "Fairy Godmothers in Training” to "Fairy Godmother’s Apprentices” and got rid of "Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls” to be gender inclusive. So I wonder if 1) She had heavy influence into the recent movies that have received anti woke criticism 2) With her departure if we will see if this current trend reverses
July 18, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Who cares about anywhere other than America? Damn commie there's a few bucks out there for Disney to squeeze
July 18, 20232 yr Diversity and representation are great...and has been done in completely original products as someone mentioned. Encanto, Moana, The Princess and the Frog had the first black Disney princess, Lilo & Stich, Aladdin, Coco, Soul and other cartoons with non-white characters. IMO it's more of a credit to create original stories and give them platforms and representation rather than take something classic or well-known and just make the character a person of color. In a way it's kind of insulting, like we can't come up with original ideas for you so we'll just recycle something old. Yes, there was whitewashing in Hollywood for a long time and that was terrible, but you don't need to overcorrect that by doing the opposite. At the same time, if the casting doesn't matter to the story then just pick the best person. Will Smith was in a remake (I Am Legend) of The Omega Man (Charlton Heston) and the character's race had nothing to do with the story. The Salt character was a man in the book, they cast Angelina Jolie in the movie and it was good regardless of gender. Baz Luhrmann did the modern Romeo & Juliet with guns and cars set in Los Angeles but kept the same dialogue for a creative reason and many people loved it. There are creative choices by filmmakers to do something fresh or feel that a certain actor/actress is the best to play the part regardless of source material. Does it matter to the story if the Little Mermaid is black, or Snow White is Hispanic? No. But when they remake every movie and change the race it just becomes obvious and silly. Don't like that in Snow White and Little Mermaid they required the kiss from a man to break the spell? Then look at the movie Brave where the girl is a warrior hero who is an expert at archery and being a bit of a tomboy. Create new stories that empower girls showing them in roles other than the princess or damsel in distress.
July 18, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: there's a few bucks out there for Disney to squeeze Dirty Chinese money. The Chinese market is why we have to keep enduring Fast & Furious movies... The grosses of the remakes line up with the grosses of the originals it seems as well.
July 18, 20232 yr 16 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Mining existing IP is a gold mine for Disney, but one they need to be careful not to run into the ground. Here are some of the grosses: Lion King (2019): ~$540mm Beauty and the Beast (2017): ~$504mm Aladdin (2019): ~$355mm Cinderella (2015): ~$200mm The ones that were the most recent animated movies did the best. They previously made sequels or prequels to a lot of these properties. The live action remakes and mixing up race and gender are the new theme. After that run, they'll try another string of ideas to make money. Disney on Ice used to be a big deal with travelling shows. They'll continue to find new ways to milk the old products.
July 18, 20232 yr 20 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Mining existing IP is a gold mine for Disney, but one they need to be careful not to run into the ground. Here are some of the grosses: Lion King (2019): ~$540mm Beauty and the Beast (2017): ~$504mm Aladdin (2019): ~$355mm Cinderella (2015): ~$200mm The ones that were the most recent animated movies did the best. Alladin grossed over a billion worldwide, I just read something about it the other day.
July 18, 20232 yr 17 hours ago, iladelphxx said: MY CULTURE IS NOT YOUR COSUME DEsi...... Wait, how is that Germanic?
July 18, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Boogyman said: Alladin grossed over a billion worldwide, I just read something about it the other day. Once again, revenues outside of America are only for communist losers. Also, I'm not going to consider Avatar the highest grossing movie of all time.
July 18, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: Once again, revenues outside of America are only for communist losers. Also, I'm not going to consider Avatar the highest grossing movie of all time. I consider money...money. Next time you get a 700 million dollar check from outside the US and want to protest communism, send it this way.
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