16 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

New Jersey already has the highest property taxes in the country. Increasing them further will just drive more people out of the state.

Yeah I know lol

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

I understand the dilemma but I don't think lowering the standard is the answer.  This isn't really anything new but in the end of the day it is an important role in society and the standards need to be adequate.  One of the key things that has made the US such a great country has been having a strong middle class.  Lowering the standards of the basic education isn't going to promote a strong middle class over time.

Agreed. But that’s the problem with our system - schools are funded through taxes, primarily local taxes. The people that decide on tax increases are elected through a political election. So in many cases, the people on Boards that are making decisions are getting elected on promises to keep taxes low. That can’t happen without deferring needed maintenance to facilities and limiting teacher pay and benefits. 
 

I was on our local school board for a short period. We received a ton of vitriol from the community for embarking on a major project to perform upgrades and repairs to our schools that were in many cases needed due to falling into disrepair from deferred maintenance and cutting corners for decades. There were a handful of Board members that had been on the Board for many years and they kept getting re-elected on promises to keep taxes low at the hidden expense (to the community at least) of skipping needed maintenance and periodic upgrades. 
 

I’m off topic, but it is all part of the same conversation. And that’s aside from the issue that many in our society out little to no value on teachers and school staff to begin with and are already convinced they’re over paid. 

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

New Jersey already has the highest property taxes in the country. Increasing them further will just drive more people out of the state.

Imagine paying more than any other state to live in that dump  

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

New Jersey already has the highest property taxes in the country. Increasing them further will just drive more people out of the state.

PA needs to raise the tolls on the bridges exiting NJ.

Jose Andres is a great humanitarian.

Goddamn you Trump cucks try to ruin every decent person.

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

New Jersey already has the highest property taxes in the country. Increasing them further will just drive more people out of the state.

Such nonsense. People aren't leaving NJ because of property taxes 

They're being abducted by alien drones. Duh. 

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

Such nonsense. People aren't leaving NJ because of property taxes 

They're being abducted by alien drones. Duh. 

More illegal aliens let in by the Biden regime

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Jose Andres is a great humanitarian.

Goddamn you Trump cucks try to ruin every decent person.

Right?  Genuinely one of the best people in the business. He literally feeds millions of people in war zones and disaster sites.

It's not surprising these bunch of Hungry Man frozen dinners for 4 eating incels have an issue with him though. 

5 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

I think NJ couldn’t find enough teachers to fill spots.

Yeah but you know what ought to help? The ongoing right-wing crusade of disparaging the entire profession by calling them shiddy, glorified babysitters. Bound to attract more prospective candidates to choosing that career path, I'm sure of it.

22 hours ago, iladelphxx said:

 

 

Liberals destroy everything they touch. It's actually hilarious if the implications weren't so dire.

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yeah but you know what ought to help? The ongoing right-wing crusade of disparaging the entire profession by calling them shiddy, glorified babysitters. Bound to attract more prospective candidates to choosing that career path, I'm sure of it.

People don't want to be teachers because right wingers say mean things on the internet. Helluva little man take.  

5 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Liberals destroy everything they touch. It's actually hilarious if the implications weren't so dire.

People don't want to be teachers because right wingers say mean things on the internet. Helluva little man take.  

It's called a social stigma for a reason, you dumb ass. Same reason why Police departments are struggling to fill positions due to left-wing backlash and vitriol intensifying in the last 4 years. There is no difference between ACAB / "Defund the police" chants and calling teachers overpaid babysitters. Two sides of the same coin.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It's called a social stigma for a reason, you dumb ass. Same reason why Police departments are struggling to fill positions due to left-wing backlash and vitriol intensifying in the last 4 years. There is no difference between ACAB / "Defund the police" chants and calling teachers overpaid babysitters. Two sides of the same coin.

Oh yeah, I'm sure some people saying they're overpaid will definitely make people take drastically different career paths and totally outweighs the other side of the coin where libtards say they're the most important profession in the universe and drastically underpaid. Imagine being so triggered by anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders that you blame teacher shortages on them.  

Pretty clear by now paco had a teacher that called him stupid (because he obviously was and still is) and it hurt him so much that he now he uses every opportunity to disparage the entire profession decades later. He's clearly winning that battle.

1 minute ago, Kz! said:

Oh yeah, I'm sure some people saying they're overpaid will definitely make people take drastically different career paths and totally outweighs the other side of the coin where libtards say they're the most important profession in the universe and drastically underpaid. Imagine being so triggered by anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders that you blame teacher shortages on them.  

Both are underfunded public sector jobs, the only difference is you pretend right-wing conservatives don't do everything in their power to cut funding for teachers while acting like that only happens with left-wing liberals with police.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Pretty clear by now paco had a teacher that called him stupid (because he obviously was and still is) and it hurt him so much that he now he uses every opportunity to disparage the entire profession decades later. He's clearly winning that battle.

Yes, it's definitely that and not having multiple family members work for various schools and seeing idiots get paid to do the bare minimum with no incentive for improvement because their job is backed by unions.  Or seeing teachers paid 65k a year to teach art to kindergarteners.  

 

But your takes?  Super smart.  ThEY aRe tWo SiDEz Of thE sAMe cOiN.

 

 this f'n moron

3 minutes ago, paco said:

police shortage isn't because of funding shortages. it's because anti-police sentiment and idiotic policies by AGs where criminals were not being charged. 

teacher shortage isn't because of mean people on the internet. it's because of groups like moms for liberty and other right-wing groups that regularly crap on teachers and education at school board meetings and often to their faces. (watch some of the crap our teachers dealt with in Central Bucks the last four years)

5 minutes ago, paco said:

Yes, it's definitely that and not having multiple family members work for various schools and seeing idiots get paid to do the bare minimum with no incentive for improvement because their job is backed by unions.  Or seeing teachers paid 65k a year to teach art to kindergarteners.  

 

But your takes?  Super smart.  

Yes, that's clearly very different from jobs in police departments. Solid point, paco.

Art teachers in PA make 65k a year?

3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

police shortage isn't because of funding shortages. it's because anti-police sentiment and idiotic policies by AGs where criminals were not being charged. 

teacher shortage isn't because of mean people on the internet. it's because of groups like moms for liberty and other right-wing groups that regularly crap on teachers and education at school board meetings and often to their faces. (watch some of the crap our teachers dealt with in Central Bucks the last four years)

lol it's mom's for liberty's fault! It's like the libtards just try to one-up each other in here.  

2 minutes ago, paco said:

Yes, it's definitely that and not having multiple family members work for various schools and seeing idiots get paid to do the bare minimum with no incentive for improvement because their job is backed by unions.  Or seeing teachers paid 65k a year to teach art to kindergarteners.  

 

But your takes?  Super smart.  ThEY aRe tWo SiDEz Of thE sAMe cOiN.

 

 this f'n moron

amounts teachers are paid vary widely by district. average for art teachers isn't $65k though. and $65k is not a lot of money for a college graduate, and the ceiling for a teacher is pretty low.

I see lots of non-technical folk I consider idiots at my office who make more than me. they apparently have some kind of skill I don't (probably the ability to lie with a straight face to clients, but hey I guess that's a skill?), but it is what it is.

bad teachers suck, but the good to great teachers more than offset the bad ones (especially if you're in a good district). 

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Both are underfunded public sector jobs, the only difference is you pretend right-wing conservatives don't do everything in their power to cut funding for teachers while acting like that only happens with left-wing liberals with police.

Oh, yeah, public education is soooo underfunded in the US. Mini-me is something else today.   

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Art teachers in PA make 65k a year?

no. entry level is like $40-45k, maxes out at like $75k if you've got a masters degree and have 12-15+ years of experience.

elementary art teachers (and teachers of all "specials" as my kids call it) typically make less than middle and high school, and are usually splitting time between multiple elementary schools at least in my district.

being a teacher is not the hardest job, but it sure as hell isn't easy either.

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

amounts teachers are paid vary widely by district. average for art teachers isn't $65k though. and $65k is not a lot of money for a college graduate, and the ceiling for a teacher is pretty low.

I see lots of non-technical folk I consider idiots at my office who make more than me. they apparently have some kind of skill I don't (probably the ability to lie with a straight face to clients, but hey I guess that's a skill?), but it is what it is.

bad teachers suck, but the good to great teachers more than offset the bad ones (especially if you're in a good district). 

That's a fair point.  I'm going by what I've seen and it's infuriating. 

 

My biggest problem (and I've been very consistent on this despite what a tiny little jackass here likes to claim) is the teachers unions that protect awful teachers to the point that unless they sexually abuse a student they have no fear of losing their job.

4 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Oh, yeah, public education is soooo underfunded in the US. Mini-me is something else today.   

The conversation literally started because NJ had to lower acceptance standards due to staffing shortages but yea I'm sure there's no relationship whatsoever with the amount of funding allocated to education.