January 6Jan 6 2 minutes ago, paco said: unions that protect awful teachers to the point that unless they sexually abuse a student they have no fear of losing their job. Definitely no parallels to be drawn there with police unions either. Nope, I can't seem to find any at all.
January 6Jan 6 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: The conversation literally started because NJ had to lower acceptance standards due to staffing shortages but yea I'm sure there's no relationship whatsoever with the amount of funding allocated to education. Little man doubling down on the idea that public education is underfunded in the US. Do you want to google it yet or continue looking like a moron?
January 6Jan 6 10 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Art teachers in PA make 65k a year? This is what the Kindergarten art teacher makes in one of the aforementioned school districts. Name and SD removed for privacy reasons It's a joke. And this particular individual is given poor performance reviews every single year yet has rock solid job stability and a guaranteed raise so they keep on f'n off thanks to the teachers union.
January 6Jan 6 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: Little man doubling down on the idea that public education is underfunded in the US. Do you want to google it yet or continue looking like a moron? I'm sure NJ is struggling to find teachers despite that super cushy and lucrative career path that keeps failing to attract candidates for some other unknown reasons. All the college age students graduating in recent years keep passing up those super easy and high paying jobs, like being kindergarten art teachers, not because of the social stigma, not because of the pay, but just for funsies. Duly noted.
January 6Jan 6 6 minutes ago, paco said: My biggest problem (and I've been very consistent on this despite what a tiny little jackass here likes to claim) is the teachers unions that protect awful teachers to the point that unless they sexually abuse a student they have no fear of losing their job. it's difficult to fire teachers but not impossible. bad teachers can be marginalized in districts. what I find most often is that teachers considered "bad" by one person (or parent) are embraced by another. I've had three kids go through the same elementary school, and sometimes had the same teachers with wildly different experiences because each kid needs to learn very differently. this doesn't come down to teachers being bad or lazy, but you're going to encounter different styles of teaching and different personalities. to me that's another level of teaching that's inherent in any schooling: my kids learn that they need to figure out how to get things done in different environments and different cultures every year. especially at middle school and above where they're switching classrooms multiple times a day. that's not to say there aren't teachers that are, broadly, just bad. but I've definitely had different opinions on the same teacher because a different kid was their student that year.
January 6Jan 6 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I'm sure NJ is struggling to find teachers despite that super cushy and lucrative career path that keeps struggling to attract candidates for some other unknown reasons. All the college age students graduating in recent years keep passing up those super easy and high paying jobs, like being kindergarten art teachers, not because of the social stigma, not because of the pay, but just for funsies. Duly noted. I know, because NJ is having trouble finding teachers that automatically means public education is underfunded in the state! Brilliant deduction, wee man. It's not like there's data publicly available on the subject that easily google-able. We just have to go with our initial feels and reaction to the story, rather than looking it up! Oh, and it's Trump supporters' faults!
January 6Jan 6 Just now, Kz! said: I know, because NJ is having trouble finding teachers that automatically means public education is underfunded in the state! Brilliant deduction, wee man. In related news, you still haven't looked up anything about US public school funding, huh? So we've already established the NJ shortages aren't due to the social stigma, nor the pay, but for some other mystery reason. You think they're just scared of all the Iranian drones beaming down from the mothership? Maybe DEagle was on to something!
January 6Jan 6 3 minutes ago, Kz! said: I know, because NJ is having trouble finding teachers that automatically means public education is underfunded in the state! Brilliant deduction, wee man. It's not like there's data publicly available on the subject that easily google-able. We just have to go with our initial feels and reaction to the story, rather than looking it up! Oh, and it's Trump supporters' faults! New Jersey teachers had the seventh-highest average salary in the country during the 2022-23 school year, data from the National Education Association shows.
January 6Jan 6 5 minutes ago, paco said: New Jersey teachers had the seventh-highest average salary in the country during the 2022-23 school year, data from the National Education Association shows. Yeah, but uhh Republicans and the social stigma, and if there's a shortage it naturally means they're underfunded!
January 6Jan 6 2 hours ago, vikas83 said: New Jersey already has the highest property taxes in the country. Increasing them further will just drive more people out of the state. don't they tax people that move out of the state too?
January 6Jan 6 The BIG Lies "There are no election deniers on our side of the aisle.” —House Democrat Leader Hakeem Jeffries (“The more we learn about 2016 election the more ILLEGITIMATE it becomes. America deserves to know whether we have a FAKE President in the Oval Office.” —Hakeem Jeffries, February 2018)
January 6Jan 6 47 minutes ago, paco said: New Jersey teachers had the seventh-highest average salary in the country during the 2022-23 school year, data from the National Education Association shows. it's not a lack of funding, it's prospective teachers saying it's not worth dealing with crappy parents and right-wing stunads. teaching was never a path to wealth, though a life-long teacher could at least live a modest but comfortable life. the main thing was that it was rewarding, and they were valued by society and respected by parents. now every class has one or two sets of parents that are impossible to deal with, the administration has no desire to support the teachers when parents come whining about little Johnny's GPA, and groups like M4L are blasting the entire teaching establishment as "brain washing" their kids because **gasp** they're teaching kids that they sometimes have to try and get along with people who look different, think different, and believe different things. the low-ceiling for pay (especially early on) makes it not worth it. so many teachers just leave after 10-15 years at this point. my neighbor is one of them. she used to teach french at a NJ school right across the bridge here in Lambertville NJ. her husband owns his own business, they didn't need the money, and she was done. (she's pretty hot too. french teachers were not that hot when I was in HS )
January 6Jan 6 12 minutes ago, It Hurts said: This was already posted. Like an hour ago. By you. Am I still not allowed to call you guys stupid?
January 6Jan 6 6 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: This was already posted. Like an hour ago. By you. Am I still not allowed to call you guys stupid? I'd say it's encouraged. I hope you're prepared for the scathing and clever rhetorical responses though.
January 6Jan 6 26 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: it's not a lack of funding, it's prospective teachers saying it's not worth dealing with crappy parents and right-wing stunads. teaching was never a path to wealth, though a life-long teacher could at least live a modest but comfortable life. the main thing was that it was rewarding, and they were valued by society and respective by parents. now every class has one or two sets of parents that are impossible to deal with, the administration has no desire to support the teachers when parents come whining about little Johnny's GPA, and groups like M4L are blasting the entire teaching establishment as "brain washing" their kids because **gasp** they're teaching kids that they sometimes have to try and get along with people who look different, think different, and believe different things. the low-ceiling for pay (especially early on) makes it not worth it. so many teachers just leave after 10-15 years at this point. my neighbor is one of them. she used to teach french at a NJ school right across the bridge here in Lambertville NJ. her husband owns his own business, they didn't need the money, and she was done. (she's pretty hot too. french teachers were not that hot when I was in HS ) Teachers aren't going to make Vikas polo shirt money, no. But given the (now former) requirements, it's not bad given the skillset required. NJ average is $59,132 per year, which comes out to $76,711.78 per year if they worked a full 12 months. (In top paying districts, teachers get six figures in NJ including their summer vacation) From what I've seen (and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going by personal experience), the benefits are great in terms of both health care and pension that rival and in many cases exceed jobs like ours. If you care, this is what Google AI has to say about NJ teacher salaries Spoiler As of January 2025, the average salary for a public school teacher in New Jersey is $59,132 per year, or $4,928 per month. The 25th percentile is $49,364, and the 75th percentile is $72,144. Here are some other details about teacher salaries in New Jersey: Entry-level salaries The 10th percentile for entry-level teachers is $48,884, the 25th percentile is $59,625, the 50th percentile is $71,424, and the 75th percentile is $87,141. National average In 2022–2023, New Jersey teachers had the seventh-highest average salary in the country, which was more than $10,000 higher than the national average. Benefits Teachers in New Jersey receive a benefits package that includes medical, dental, vision, and prescription drug plans, as well as a Flexible Spending Account (FSA), commuter program, and more. Top-paying districts Teachers in the top-paying districts in New Jersey earn six-figure salaries.
January 6Jan 6 Author I met with the NJ Dept of Education IT team like 10 years ago to give them a briefing on Microsoft Office 365 and Azure - they requested it. We had an economist put together an ROI analysis showing how it would save them hundreds of thousands of dollars a year versus what they're doing now. The CIO shot it down because "going to the cloud will cost us jobs and the union will never sign off on this" and ended the meeting. They requested the meeting, drove all the way from Trenton, NJ to Malvern, PA, sat through a 4-5 hour presentation and then walked out of the meeting. The crazy part is, we didn't even mention layoffs or included that as part of our analysis..... They just jumped to that conclusion on their own. These school districts and government agencies prioritize the status quo over everything.... Especially when it comes to saving money.
January 6Jan 6 26 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: This was already posted. Like an hour ago. By you. Am I still not allowed to call you guys stupid? I really don't a crap
January 6Jan 6 1 minute ago, It Hurts said: I really don't a crap Great! In that case, you're a Fing idiot who I genuinely hope has never procreated for the sake of humanity.
January 6Jan 6 34 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: it's not a lack of funding, it's prospective teachers saying it's not worth dealing with crappy parents and right-wing stunads. teaching was never a path to wealth, though a life-long teacher could at least live a modest but comfortable life. the main thing was that it was rewarding, and they were valued by society and respective by parents. now every class has one or two sets of parents that are impossible to deal with, the administration has no desire to support the teachers when parents come whining about little Johnny's GPA, and groups like M4L are blasting the entire teaching establishment as "brain washing" their kids because **gasp** they're teaching kids that they sometimes have to try and get along with people who look different, think different, and believe different things. the low-ceiling for pay (especially early on) makes it not worth it. so many teachers just leave after 10-15 years at this point. my neighbor is one of them. she used to teach french at a NJ school right across the bridge here in Lambertville NJ. her husband owns his own business, they didn't need the money, and she was done. (she's pretty hot too. french teachers were not that hot when I was in HS ) I'm sure the "right-wing stunads" give the teachers the most problems.
January 6Jan 6 8 minutes ago, paco said: Teachers aren't going to make Vikas polo shirt money, no. But given the (now former) requirements, it's not bad given the skillset required. NJ average is $59,132 per year, which comes out to $76,711.78 per year if they worked a full 12 months. (In top paying districts, teachers get six figures in NJ including their summer vacation) From what I've seen (and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going by personal experience), the benefits are great in terms of both health care and pension that rival and in many cases exceed jobs like ours. If you care, this is what Google AI has to say about NJ teacher salaries Reveal hidden contents As of January 2025, the average salary for a public school teacher in New Jersey is $59,132 per year, or $4,928 per month. The 25th percentile is $49,364, and the 75th percentile is $72,144. Here are some other details about teacher salaries in New Jersey: Entry-level salaries The 10th percentile for entry-level teachers is $48,884, the 25th percentile is $59,625, the 50th percentile is $71,424, and the 75th percentile is $87,141. National average In 2022–2023, New Jersey teachers had the seventh-highest average salary in the country, which was more than $10,000 higher than the national average. Benefits Teachers in New Jersey receive a benefits package that includes medical, dental, vision, and prescription drug plans, as well as a Flexible Spending Account (FSA), commuter program, and more. Top-paying districts Teachers in the top-paying districts in New Jersey earn six-figure salaries. the summer's off thing is hard to get around. it's the nature of the job. teachers can't take vacation from Sept - June, but having parts of June, as well as July + August off is a nice benefit. as are the "benefits" in most cases. top paying districts are hard to get into, but also outliers. teaching in Philadelphia? they should be getting six figures just for hazard pay. teaching in Lower Merion is a dream by comparison for sure, but that's the nature of the market when schools are funded by local taxpayers. benefits are better, but if you're in tech I cannot imagine that the salary is close to competitive. I don't want to get into dollars and cents, but my subordinates are averaging 2x the NJ average salary - and they're just regular old Java developers. our benefits suck by comparison, but I'll max the 401k and take the extra cash in hand. Also, Gemini sucks
January 6Jan 6 19 minutes ago, iladelphxx said: I met with the NJ Dept of Education IT team like 10 years ago to give them a briefing on Microsoft Office 365 and Azure - they requested it. We had an economist put together an ROI analysis showing how it would save them hundreds of thousands of dollars a year versus what they're doing now. The CIO shot it down because "going to the cloud will cost us jobs and the union will never sign off on this" and ended the meeting. They requested the meeting, drove all the way from Trenton, NJ to Malvern, PA, sat through a 4-5 hour presentation and then walked out of the meeting. The crazy part is, we didn't even mention layoffs or included that as part of our analysis..... They just jumped to that conclusion on their own. These school districts and government agencies prioritize the status quo over everything.... Especially when it c to saving money. if the pandemic did one positive thing in the education system, it pulled forward the adoption of modern electronic platforms a decade in a few short months. I would guess the NJ Dept of Education wasn't as concerned with layoffs as they were with having to get the 60-year-old history teacher, who also is the union rep, to buy into putting their curriculum online and using Teams/etc. as a platform to run their classroom. with the pandemic, teachers simply could not object. they had to get with the program. my kids had school canceled today, but they can be on their school issued laptops and see outstanding assignments, submit homework, etc. and as parents we get notifications when they're missing assignments. as an example, an hour ago my wife just layed into my oldest because we got a notification that he had a bunch of outstanding assignments, and 15 minutes later he came in and had submitted everything - on a snow day. (my son has a habit of doing the assignment but not actually submitting it. I don't get it, like ... dude, that's the easiest part. wtf.) anyway, it's also how Teams has become the #1 chat/collaboration app over Slack (which generally I still prefer despite their abysmal UI redesign in 2023). most schools are on O365 now.
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