July 22, 20205 yr so you think they are purposely trying to destroy WV, or trying to find ways not to be dependent on dirty fossil fuels and as a result WV will suffer ?
July 22, 20205 yr WV lacks the geography and topography of other states, especially surrounding states. It's completely landlocked, and has very little land suitable for farming. About the only thing it had going for it was the coal, but Democrats have done what they can to destroy that.
July 22, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: so you think they are purposely trying to destroy WV, or trying to find ways not to be dependent on dirty fossil fuels and as a result WV will suffer ? Both Hillary literally came to WV and told a group of coal miners shed put them out of business. As if these people just love going down into dirty mines to do dangerous work instead of working as a financial consultant or engineer. Its been this way for decades. The nation, and the entire planet, still rely heavily on coal and natural gas. Until the green jobs are available, we need coal miners. And in all of their grand ideas, do you think any of these politicians have a plan to help educate rural West Virginians or help develop their communities? We both know the answer. If they can win votes in California by disenfranchising voters in WV, its a no brainer. Its harder to solve the problem, much easier to just abandon the people that voted straight blue for 50+ years
July 22, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Both Hillary literally came to WV and told a group of coal miners shed put them out of business. As if these people just love going down into dirty mines to do dangerous work instead of working as a financial consultant or engineer. Its been this way for decades. The nation, and the entire planet, still rely heavily on coal and natural gas. Until the green jobs are available, we need coal miners. And in all of their grand ideas, do you think any of these politicians have a plan to help educate rural West Virginians or help develop their communities? We both know the answer. If they can win votes in California by disenfranchising voters in WV, its a no brainer. Its harder to solve the problem, much easier to just abandon the people that voted straight blue for 50+ years thats the key for me. sure, we need to get away from fossil fuels, but while doing that we have to help people with what they will need to make the transition. someone shouldve tossed hillary down a mine shaft.
July 22, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: wv is built for meth. bam! no that's bridesburg and bristol.
July 22, 20205 yr 42 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Both Hillary literally came to WV and told a group of coal miners shed put them out of business. As if these people just love going down into dirty mines to do dangerous work instead of working as a financial consultant or engineer. Its been this way for decades. The nation, and the entire planet, still rely heavily on coal and natural gas. Until the green jobs are available, we need coal miners. And in all of their grand ideas, do you think any of these politicians have a plan to help educate rural West Virginians or help develop their communities? We both know the answer. If they can win votes in California by disenfranchising voters in WV, its a no brainer. Its harder to solve the problem, much easier to just abandon the people that voted straight blue for 50+ years https://findsomethingnew.org
July 22, 20205 yr well, coal is the blockbuster of the energy industry. i know that sucks if you live in a coal mining state...but yeah, learn to code.
July 22, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: well, coal is the blockbuster of the energy industry. i know that sucks if you live in a coal mining state...but yeah, learn to code. Not even close Coal accounts for roughly 25%-30% of the electricity in the US Natural gas about 35%-40% Do you still rent 25% of your movies from blockbuster?
July 22, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Not even close Coal accounts for roughly 25%-30% of the electricity in the US Natural gas about 35%-40% Do you still rent 25% of your movies from blockbuster? yes. and i buy my giant sized boxes of candy there too!
July 22, 20205 yr i obviously meant it's headed in that direction, mike. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-coal-decline-graphic/u-s-coal-fired-power-plants-closing-fast-despite-trumps-pledge-of-support-for-industry-idUSKBN1ZC15A U.S. coal-fired power plants shut down at the second-fastest pace on record in 2019, The replacement of coal with power generation from natural gas and renewables has cut total U.S. carbon emissions in four of the past five years. Gas emits about half the carbon dioxide, a leading contributor to global warming, as coal. The coal industry has been in steep decline for a decade due to competition from cheap and abundant gas and subsidized solar and wind energy, along with rising public concern over coal’s contribution to climate change.
July 22, 20205 yr i dont think mike is saying change isnt coming, but how about lending some assistance to folks who need more education ? i mean this country helps just about anyone else. so mike, in that regard, what does the WV state government have planned in educating its citizens to make the transition from coal miners to people who dont eat black dust all day ? would you be against tax dollars going towards that education ?
July 22, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, VanHammersly said: Uhhhh, the conversation is about migrations. If W. Virginia could attract more people, they'd have a more robust economy. Why aren't they? Must be those liberal policies. That's right the conversation is about migrations. You brought GDP into it. Your 'fact's are statistically inaccurate and therefore irrelevant.
July 22, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, The Norseman said: That's right the conversation is about migrations. You brought GDP into it. Your 'fact's are statistically inaccurate and therefore irrelevant. I brought GDP into because I'm trying to determine if you think W. Virginia has failed, like you seem to think California has failed, based on it having a vastly, vastly more ineffective economy. And the stats aren't inaccurate. WV really does have a GDP on par with Iraq and Lybia. And California really does blow WV, or any other state for that matter, out of the water when comes to GDP.
July 22, 20205 yr 22 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: i obviously meant it's headed in that direction, mike. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-coal-decline-graphic/u-s-coal-fired-power-plants-closing-fast-despite-trumps-pledge-of-support-for-industry-idUSKBN1ZC15A U.S. coal-fired power plants shut down at the second-fastest pace on record in 2019, The replacement of coal with power generation from natural gas and renewables has cut total U.S. carbon emissions in four of the past five years. Gas emits about half the carbon dioxide, a leading contributor to global warming, as coal. The coal industry has been in steep decline for a decade due to competition from cheap and abundant gas and subsidized solar and wind energy, along with rising public concern over coal’s contribution to climate change. don’t forget about coal ash
July 22, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: I brought GDP into because I'm trying to determine if you think W. Virginia has failed, like you seem to think California has failed, based on it having a vastly, vastly more ineffective economy. And the stats aren't inaccurate. WV really does have a GDP on par with Iraq and Lybia. And California really does blow WV, or any other state for that matter, out of the water when comes to GDP. The math is accurate, the way you're portraying it is not. Statistically, comparing California to WV is the same as comparing the United States to Cambodia. And since you asked, I think WV has struggled for a long time to bring commerce to their state since their industrial and mining boom ended. I wouldn't say they've failed, but I also wouldn't say they've been overly successful. This is true for many reasons, some of which are outside of their control (no port, no major city/airport, government regulation, commuter population to Pittsburgh, etc). Parts of California on the other hand have consistently raised taxes, run up debt, allowed the homeless to have free reign over their cities and have refused to prosecute criminals. The residents of those areas don't feel safe or appreciated, and so, they're leaving. Not the same thing.
July 22, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, VanHammersly said: If your point is that places that have low populations often have lower GDP's then I agree. But you have to attract people to your state if you want to improve economic conditions. WV hasn't done that, despite their very conservative policies. Why is that do you think? Because they like to keep it in the family.
July 23, 20205 yr 7 hours ago, VanHammersly said: If your point is that places that have low populations often have lower GDP's then I agree. But you have to attract people to your state if you want to improve economic conditions. WV hasn't done that, despite their very conservative policies. Why is that do you think? You need to factor in topography too. WV is pretty much one big mountain. Hard to have a large, dense population. Edit: Im behind. Others beat me to it.
July 23, 20205 yr 6 hours ago, mr_hunt said: i obviously meant it's headed in that direction, mike. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-coal-decline-graphic/u-s-coal-fired-power-plants-closing-fast-despite-trumps-pledge-of-support-for-industry-idUSKBN1ZC15A U.S. coal-fired power plants shut down at the second-fastest pace on record in 2019, The replacement of coal with power generation from natural gas and renewables has cut total U.S. carbon emissions in four of the past five years. Gas emits about half the carbon dioxide, a leading contributor to global warming, as coal. The coal industry has been in steep decline for a decade due to competition from cheap and abundant gas and subsidized solar and wind energy, along with rising public concern over coal’s contribution to climate change. TBF, WV has a healthy share of natural gas. That would be a lateral shift job wise But when we get to 100% renewables, that state will feel pain
July 23, 20205 yr 10 hours ago, paco said: TBF, WV has a healthy share of natural gas. That would be a lateral shift job wise But when we get to 100% renewables, that state will feel pain They'll just have to increase their moonshine production
July 23, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: They'll just have to increase their moonshine production Good, cause my Covid stockpile is running low
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