Depth

[E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles]

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So what do you think they'll do if Hurts isn't up to the task? I mean they've added AJ Brown and they have Smith, Watkins and Goedert to feed plus decent depth with Pascal and then the RBs getting involved in the pass game. They can't adapt the offense this year to run heavy surely?

They will ride Hurts the entire year, barring injury. By mid-season, we will be back in run heavy form biding our time with him.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

19 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

They will ride Hurts the entire year, barring injury. By mid-season, we will be back in run heavy form biding our time with him.

That's craziness if they do that. Sirianni should come under criticism if it were to play out that way.

[E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles]

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's craziness if they do that. Sirianni should come under criticism if it were to play out that way.

I doubt that Sirianni isn making the calls on how Hurts is handled. More than likely, he is told "work it out with Hurts" and does the best he can.

[EazyEaglez]

7 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So what do you think they'll do if Hurts isn't up to the task? I mean they've added AJ Brown and they have Smith, Watkins and Goedert to feed plus decent depth with Pascal and then the RBs getting involved in the pass game. They can't adapt the offense this year to run heavy surely?

I still think they’re a run first team, but Hurts has to throw far more efficiently than he did last season. He doesn’t need to be a 40 plus passing quarterback. He needs to protect the football and make the throws he can. At least now he has two receivers he knows he can be in the right place and make catches. Unfortunately I don’t think there is much here on this roster that would be a better option than Hurts. 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

46 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I still think they’re a run first team, but Hurts has to throw far more efficiently than he did last season. He doesn’t need to be a 40 plus passing quarterback. He needs to protect the football and make the throws he can. At least now he has two receivers he knows he can be in the right place and make catches. Unfortunately I don’t think there is much here on this roster that would be a better option than Hurts. 

Oh for sure. Trying to make him a QB who throws the ball 40 times a game is going to end in disaster. But they absolutely need up throw the ball a lot more than they did last year. 

[E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles]

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Oh for sure. Trying to make him a QB who throws the ball 40 times a game is going to end in disaster. But they absolutely need up throw the ball a lot more than they did last year. 

The base offense doesn't have to feature his arm, but he'd better be able to pick the team up, if needed.  Considering his limitations, balance is important. However, there are important times that we need him to be a "real QB."  My fear is a repeat of Tampa against every good defense when the run is stuffed. 

[Traveler Vic]

29 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The base offense doesn't have to feature his arm, but he'd better be able to pick the team up, if needed.  Considering his limitations, balance is important. However, there are important times that we need him to be a "real QB."  My fear is a repeat of Tampa against every good defense when the run is stuffed. 

Fear is the mind killer that leads to failure, before success has a chance to evolve. Whatever Hurts will be, it will not be the same as Tampa...simply because he is a year older, a year more experienced, and there are a lot of good players around him who I believe will contribute.

[E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles]

9 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

Fear is the mind killer that leads to failure, before success has a chance to evolve. Whatever Hurts will be, it will not be the same as Tampa...simply because he is a year older, a year more experienced, and there are a lot of good players around him who I believe will contribute.

That's such a cute take.  Time will tell if his incremental improvement is enough to avoid just beating bad teams and another embarrassing playoff performance or not.  

[EazyEaglez]

25 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That's such a cute take.  Time will tell if his incremental improvement is enough to avoid just beating bad teams and another embarrassing playoff performance or not.  

At some point in time and likely the near future Hurts will have to beat a team using his arm. There’s no question about it. I believe he is capable of doing so especially now with the weapons he has, but he’s going to have to prove it on the field. Let’s be honest here. Hurts will always have those who don’t like him as a quarterback regardless of what he does, but if he wants to be considered one of the better quarterbacks in football he’s going to need to take a page from McNabb’s book and throw more and run less. He also needs to protect the ball like McNabb did as well. Nothing kills drives and momentum more than a bad turnover. As far as the playoff game or the not beating a winning team stuff that been overblown. He beat the Saints in 2020 with a worse team than he had last year. This past year he was working with a rookie HC who also has yet to beat a team with a winning record yet no one brings that up. Also the playoff game was his first and he wasn’t the only Eagle on the field who had a bad game and the gameplan on offense and defense was worse. People were saying Kelce was the MVP of the team last year, but no one brought up how he also basically got dominated against the Bucs in that game too. Bottom line Hurts needs to be better, but he’s not the only one on this roster who needs to be better, and the coaches need to be a lot better as well, cause I don’t want to see another season of average and above quarterbacks completing 80% and above of their passes against this defense. Aaron Rodgers could be your quarterback and you still lose with that kind of nonsense. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

He also needs to protect the ball like McNabb did as well. Nothing kills drives and momentum more than killing worms

FYP

[E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles]

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

At some point in time and likely the near future Hurts will have to beat a team using his arm. There’s no question about it. I believe he is capable of doing so especially now with the weapons he has, but he’s going to have to prove it on the field. Let’s be honest here. Hurts will always have those who don’t like him as a quarterback regardless of what he does, but if he wants to be considered one of the better quarterbacks in football he’s going to need to take a page from McNabb’s book and throw more and run less. He also needs to protect the ball like McNabb did as well. Nothing kills drives and momentum more than a bad turnover. As far as the playoff game or the not beating a winning team stuff that been overblown. He beat the Saints in 2020 with a worse team than he had last year. This past year he was working with a rookie HC who also has yet to beat a team with a winning record yet no one brings that up. Also the playoff game was his first and he wasn’t the only Eagle on the field who had a bad game and the gameplan on offense and defense was worse. People were saying Kelce was the MVP of the team last year, but no one brought up how he also basically got dominated against the Bucs in that game too. Bottom line Hurts needs to be better, but he’s not the only one on this roster who needs to be better, and the coaches need to be a lot better as well, cause I don’t want to see another season of average and above quarterbacks completing 80% and above of their passes against this defense. Aaron Rodgers could be your quarterback and you still lose with that kind of nonsense. 

I don't 100% blame him for the failings last year, but its impossible to argue his performance against teams with a winning record.  QBs are always judged on wins and he hasnt done that against good teams (less NO). 

I completely agree that his arm will have to become his most consistent weapon to ever be taken seriously.  This season should tell us the story.  He has weapons, same OC, better defense,same HC, favorable schedule...no excuses. 

[EazyEaglez]

4 hours ago, downundermike said:

FYP

I’d rather he killed drives with worms and a punt than interceptions and stupid fumbles. 

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I don't 100% blame him for the failings last year, but its impossible to argue his performance against teams with a winning record.  QBs are always judged on wins and he hasnt done that against good teams (less NO). 

I completely agree that his arm will have to become his most consistent weapon to ever be taken seriously.  This season should tell us the story.  He has weapons, same OC, better defense,same HC, favorable schedule...no excuses. 

I’m with you there. No more excuses. 

[brkmsn]

On 5/31/2022 at 3:42 PM, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Are you on a crack?  What QB on our roster is top 5 in the NFL?  Just because you have numerous average QB’s doesn’t mean you have good depth.  
 

LB isn’t deep. 
CB isn’t deep. 
TE isn’t deep.  
WR, we have two guys.  
DE isn’t deep.   
RB is basically just a bunch of JAGS.  

Other than that, you’ve nailed it.  

I think this thread is premature as most of our "depth" is unproven. That doesn't necessarily mean we aren't "deep." 

I do think we are deep at:

CB --- We have Slay, Bradberry, and Maddox as starters. McPhearson wasn't terrible in his limited time as a rookie and the competition for the remaining spots should leave us with a couple good prospects to develop.

DE --- Getting Graham back is huge. Sweat should be the biggest benefactor by the strengthened interior. Barnett, IMO, is an above average "backup."  I think Milton Williams will see some snaps at DE and since we are no longer exclusively a 4-3 or 3-4 defense, Reddick will also play some DE.

WR --- I'm obviously higher on Watkins than you. Pascal is a quality WR4. Ward is a JAG, but his experience and familiarity are positives. Reagor has a chance to sell himself to his next team. The expectations are low at this point, but he could be a bit of a wildcard. Covey might just be a Nasty Nate candidate, but we seriously need someone to be a return specialist. I hate his size, but like his confidence. If he wins a spot as a PR/KR, he could see a few snaps each game. Overall, I think our top 3 WRs could be a special group. Behind them, we have a battle for roster spots by 3 young WRs with 81 combined starts. 

LB could prove to be deep, or it could be a mess. I suspect the former, but Dean and Taylor haven't really proven themselves in the NFL yet. Edwards is a bit underrated since he's not super-athletic, but he plays smart. White is coming off an excellent season (from another defense). Bradley is a great STer and a solid backup. Because of our 3-4 looks,  Reddick and even Graham who had OLB experience during the Kelly years will factor into the depth. 

Still, it's much too early to boast about depth we know little about. All I know is that watching preseason games should be more enjoyable this year than last year since we know the projected starters are unlikely to play much, but we'll get to see what kind of depth we really have when the season begins. Some of last year's "starters" that were held out of preseason games will be fighting for roster spots this year. 

[PhillyRockd]

On 5/26/2022 at 12:11 PM, downundermike said:

Before Chase arrived, Boyd was the #2 and had back to back 1000 yard seasons with Andy Dalton as his QB.  To compare Quez Watkins to Tyler Boyd is laughable.

Not laughable when you look at Boyd's 2 first years.

[brkmsn]

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

This is almost as bad as your Hurts dominated the Patriots in practice, take last year.  

I'll grant you a point for going green recycling a joke you have attempted at least a dozen times already. But you lose a point for believing your own words were something I said. That conversation was never about Hurts. But hey, you're clearly limited on wit, so keep on re-posting your one and only zinger. 

 

Here's a reminder, though if you want to modify it next time for accuracy:

 

[brkmsn]

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You’re a liar.  You were bragging about how the Eagles offense with Hurts looked against the Patriots defense (who was projected to be the 9th ranked defense) in a practice that no one saw.  Your words.  

And you don’t know what the word "depth” means   

@downundermike   At least some people own their BS.  This guy is straight up lying.  

Bring up the quote you're talking about before calling me a liar. You're clearly confused. Own it, yourself.

[brkmsn]

10 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Find a quote that could be in one of a number of threads from a year ago.  Yeah....I'll be all over that.  

Nice cop out. Using the search feature is really tough. Seeing as how you would have quoted me on it, should allow you to really narrow the field to a couple dozen posts at most. That sounds like a real hassle. 

[NOTW]

O line and DT have good depth.  That's it.  

 

 

[brkmsn]

I think some of us are overlooking our depth because they aren't factoring in the multiple looks we'll have on defense. Instead of saying DE, DT and LB, I think if you group it as "front seven" we have tremendous depth and versatility there. Graham is returning and is already seeing practice reps at OLB as well as DE. He already has experience there from the Chip Kelly era. Coming into the NFL, Sweat projected to be a great fit as an OLB in a 3-4. I saw an OTA clip where he was practicing as a standup rusher. Reddick is actually listed as a LB still and definitely will play that role in our 3-4 looks. TJ Edwards played very well last year. Taylor struggled with injuries but was playing very well when he wasn't hurt. Bradley was our best  ST player and is a quality backup that has played well when needed. Kyzir White is coming off a terrific season. Injury concerns aside, many believed Dean was the top rated LB in the draft. We also have Barnett who, despite never becoming the stud fans hoped he would become, is still a tremendous backup DE with tons of experience.  When you figure in our DT group as well, I just don't see how anyone can suggest we don't have terrific depth in our front 7 as a whole.

Another guy I'm excited to get a look at in the preseason is Kyron Johnson. He probably won't crack this group for much playing time this season, but is a tremendous athlete that was productive in college. He'll likely have to get his start on special teams. 

[brkmsn]

28 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

When talking about "depth” it means different layers.  As in first team, second team etc.  This is not a deep team.  People don’t understand what the word means as it pertains to a football roster.  Regardless of scheme.  

People understand the term. They just don't all agree with what constitutes good depth. For example, I think Barnett is a great "backup DE." Now, when evaluating rookies who have yet to play, it's hard to make a strong case because they may pan out, they may not. There's potential depth (like Dean, Davis, McPhearson, Strong) and there's proven depth (like Barnett, Minshew and Richard Rodgers). Depth is the reason we won a Super Bowl in 2017.

[brkmsn]

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You’re hitting legendary status of dumb.  Seriously.  This team is not deep.  Barnett sucks, he’s just a guy.  Nothing more.    Depth at QB is useless when you have two QB’s who shouldn’t be starters.  Richard Rodgers?   Really?   You seriously think he’s a depth piece at TE?   You’re out there man.  

You're just a crotchety, old pessimist. I can only imagine how many times in 2017 you probably said we were doomed or the season was over each time one of our best players (at a position) got hurt. The reality is, teams aren't loaded with 2 sets of starters at every position. Normal teams have starters and backups. The backups' jobs are to fill in when called upon. You don't have Russell Wilson backing up Aaron Rodgers. 

Since you're just so sure of yourself, why don't you give us an example of a team with the best depth at LB, since the Eagles, according to you, do not have good depth there (with Edwards, White, Reddick, Bradley, Taylor, and Dean). Also, tell me what backup DE on another team is better than Barnett. 

[brkmsn]

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You’d have to guess because I’m sure you weren’t around the blog or EMB back in 2017. Because you’re wrong.  I just know more than you.  Which isn’t saying much, based on your posts.  Im not going to review other teams 2nd and 3rd teams.  I’m too busy looking at all of your BS posts from last year, blowing Reagor, Hurts and the Eagles offense from their joint practices against New England.  
 

The Eagles have little to no depth at DE.  Again, Barnett is a JAG.  Graham is coming off an injury and is old as hell.  Sweat is decent but nothing great.  I’d argue DE is one of the worst position groups on the team.  So for you to list DE as an example, tells me all I need to know.  

 They have a ton of unproven players at LB.  But much more promise than recent years.  Reddick will be used as an edge guy.  Hardly a prototypical LB.  Taylor can’t stay on the field.  Edwards is decent.  Bradley is a ST guy.  Dean is a rookie.  You said yourself it’s hard to make a guess with rookies.  White is an upgrade.  
 

Yeah, I’m so old.  😂 I just call out BS when I see it.  And you have it.  In spades.  
 

No ish teams aren’t loaded with 2 sets of starters at every position.  That’s why citing the Eagles "depth” is rather silly.  Do they have more 1st team talent than in years past?  Yes.  But that’s not "depth”.  And your statement about Wilson backing up Rodgers is Fing stupid.  Especially when your QB1 is Jalen Hurts of all players.   Let me guess, you think he’s a top 10 QB.  Right?

 

You listed Richard Rogers as "depth”.  Wow. 

You caught me --- I clearly wasn't on the EMB way back then (2017).  Being a "blog" icon, you must have really been "in the know." You must know what this means. But, alas, once again, when presented with an opportunity to validate what you say, it's too much trouble. Unlike you, I'm not afraid to answer your questions. No, I don't think Hurts is a top 10 QB right now. I just don't think it's impossible for him to become one. I see you're really going to double down on your BS claim that I was praising Hurts last offseason --- even after you searched those old posts and couldn't find what you claimed I said. LOL. Your biggest problem is that you think you know everything and are always right. I showed you yesterday how to "share a post" and you argued with me that you already know how to "quote and multi-quote." Learn to read actual words, dude. Sharing and quoting are two different features, but you just have to know everything and claimed "it wouldn't work." LOL @ your stupid BS,  and constant cop-outs. 

As for Hurts, I wasn't giving him a free pass all last season. 

 

[brkmsn]

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It wouldn’t allow me on my phone you dunce.  And who gives a F.

DOUBLEING DOWN!!!11!! 

Did you buy a knockoff phone from Amazon? 

[brkmsn]

"It won't work on my phone"

[brkmsn]

50 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Cute.  Anything for you to divert the attention away from your moronic take about how "depth”.  

I stand by everything I said about depth. Barnett is a great backup to have at DE. I don't even know if Rodgers will make this team initially, but he has proven to be a dependable reserve TE when he's been called upon to play. I'll keep saying the same things. 

I tried to be cool and play nice with you, but you keep insisting I made claims I never made. Feel free to quote anything I actually ever said, but don't make false claims and then call me a "liar" because you have difficulty reading words in English. Then just moments later, being too proud to get a helpful tip on a board feature, claim you already know everything and then flat out lie yourself, claiming, "it doesn't work on your phone." Not only once, but you keep making the claim. You're a real piece of work. Just admit it, you didn't know about the feature or how to use it and were too full of yourself to believe you're not infallible.