8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Did someone say that?

Go back a few posts.

15 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Go back a few posts.

Nope, no one said that.  Toast said the police needed to investigate him based on the earlier call.  No one said George put himself in a position to have a cop hold him down via the cop's knee on George's neck.

13 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Nope, no one said that.  Toast said the police needed to investigate him based on the earlier call.  No one said George put himself in a position to have a cop hold him down via the cop's knee on George's neck.

Stop. It's being implied all over the place (literally in the post above where you asked). Otherwise I have no idea what his prior acts have to do with ANYTHING. It's completely irrelevant. 

9 hours ago, bobeph said:

Interesting how all of the EMB libturds disappeared by the mention of a black, female president.

 ukn’ hypocrites!

Yeah just like we didn’t want Ben "grain silos” Carson

9 hours ago, bobeph said:

Ukn’ Hypocrites! 

8 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Stop. It's being implied all over the place (literally in the post above where you asked). Otherwise I have no idea what his prior acts have to do with ANYTHING. It's completely irrelevant. 

Let's let Toast speak for himself here.

@ToastJenkins Are you implying that George deserved what he go because he put himself "in position" OR are you suggesting that the police absolutely needed to engage George due to the call regarding his supposed illegal activity BUT that the police also acted in a violent unprovoked illegal and dangerous manner with regard to how they actually engaged George physically?

11 hours ago, Quiet Boy said:

Floyd was a convicted felon.

He was convicted of armed robbery for holding a loaded gun at a pregnant woman's stomach during a home invasion to force his way into her apartment while his partners in crime robbed her. 

Oh and the police contact he faced that day was due to the employee of the store calling law enforcement on Floyd after he passed a counterfeit bill.

How can you find a problem with Candace Owens's opinion that George Floyd didn't deserve to die but also isn't a hero, while at the same time ignoring or finding no fault in Floyd's life story?

I don’t think the media is making him out to be a hero, just a guy who didn’t deserve public execution. As for his prior conviction, we live in a society where when someone serves their sentence, their debt to society is paid. Yes I made the same argument when we signed Mike Vick. 

6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Let's let Toast speak for himself here.

@ToastJenkins Are you implying that George deserved what he go because he put himself "in position" OR are you suggesting that the police absolutely needed to engage George due to the call regarding his supposed illegal activity BUT that the police also acted in a violent unprovoked illegal and dangerous manner with regard to how they actually engaged George physically?

Oh yeah, you totally didn't just lead him to the most politically correct answer there, doc. Way to treat him like a toddler. Here is our exact exchange. Not sure how you could interpret any other way then "Floyd put himself in that position"

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

One can be a legit victim in one circumstance and still be of low character, which is what we seem to have here.

his character seems to have repeatedly put him in a place where law enforcement had to intervene, no?

 

1 hour ago, Paul852 said:

Yep. And it still has zero to do with having a police officer lean on your neck for 8 minutes while you're handcuffed. Nobody is arguing Floyd was a good person. To even suggest "he put himself in that position" is a valid argument is ridiculous.

 

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Only if you ignore they had to be called due to his criminal activty. So no

 

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Let's let Toast speak for himself here.

@ToastJenkins Are you implying that George deserved what he go because he put himself "in position" OR are you suggesting that the police absolutely needed to engage George due to the call regarding his supposed illegal activity BUT that the police also acted in a violent unprovoked illegal and dangerous manner with regard to how they actually engaged George physically?

   

I'd forgotten how hard-headed you can be. 

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

   

I'd forgotten how hard-headed you can be. 

Thanks

5 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Oh yeah, you totally didn't just lead him to the most politically correct answer there, doc. Way to treat him like a toddler. Here is our exact exchange. Not sure how you could interpret any other way then "Floyd put himself in that position"

Read it how you want to my friend.  You might just be right with this one (wouldn't necessarily surprise me) but you're going to be wrong a lot when you read thru tinted glasses.

edit: Keep in mind we are also discussing this in the context of what Candace has said.  This isn't only about Toast.

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

I've spent a little time the last few days looking at her vids and reading about her.  I think her voice would be very welcome on the national stage.  She is far more nuanced and eloquent than anything Trump can deliver (obviously) and her background gives her additional credibility.  Having said that I'm far away from her on most policy and I suspect I'll be very critical of her positions yet acknowledge her style of communication as very positive.  I can't see myself ever voting for her but she's 50k times better than Trump in terms of explaining and defending her thoughts.

One thing I find a little troubling with her story is her sudden 180.  I am a bit skeptical as to how much fame drives her motivations as opposed to policy.  Just a hunch...

Me too. Very pro Trump, anti immigration, anti abortion, right wing gun nut. The people who referred to her as "middle of the road” are out of their minds. So much of her rants are "the left this, the left that”. She’s a female black women who is able to articulate Trumpism well. Hence why the yahoos here adore her. 

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Thanks

I’m kind of the same way to be fair.

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Read it how you want to my friend.  You might just be right with this one (wouldn't necessarily surprise me) but you're going to be wrong a lot when you read thru tinted glasses.

edit: Keep in mind we are also discussing this in the context of what Candace has said.  This isn't only about Toast.

That changes things a lot. I know Candace isn't suggesting that at all.

41 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Me too. Very pro Trump, anti immigration, anti abortion, right wing gun nut. The people who referred to her as "middle of the road” are out of their minds. So much of her rants are "the left this, the left that”. She’s a female black women who is able to articulate Trumpism well. Hence why the yahoos here adore her. 

Yeah, I found that part out to.  The "middle" stuff is how she portrays the racial issue but her policy positions are pretty hard core Repub right.

6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I’m kind of the same way to be fair.

Ya don't say

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Only if you ignore they had to be called due to his criminal activty. So no

ALLEGED criminal activity.  
1) do we even know if the money was in fact a fake $20?

2) Using counterfeit money is only a crime if you know that it is fake and still intend to use it anyway.

3) how often do the police put someone in cuffs when they are accused of using a fake $20?  The owner of the store suggested that this is unusual, saying usually the police just ask a few questions, collect the alleged fake currency, and then go.

4 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

ALLEGED criminal activity.  
1) do we even know if the money was in fact a fake $20?

2) Using counterfeit money is only a crime if you know that it is fake and still intend to use it anyway.

3) how often do the police put someone in cuffs when they are accused of using a fake $20?  The owner of the store suggested that this is unusual, saying usually the police just ask a few questions, collect the alleged fake currency, and then go.

They are keeping it mum on whether the bill was fake or not

It would be bad for the store owner IMO

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

IIRC her message was she didn't believe he was a good martyr because he was a drug addict

Also IIRC the criminal acts were just drug related

No they weren’t.  He armed home invaded a pregnant black woman

38 minutes ago, Gannan said:

I don’t think the media is making him out to be a hero, just a guy who didn’t deserve public execution. As for his prior conviction, we live in a society where when someone serves their sentence, their debt to society is paid. Yes I made the same argument when we signed Mike Vick. 

Right now if Michael Vick died at the hands of a cop while he was in the process of fighting more dogs, I would say Vick deserved what he got.  

1 minute ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

No they weren’t.  He armed home invaded a pregnant black woman

I didn't look into it. IIRC in the video Candace said they were looking for stuff to sell for drugs

20 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

ALLEGED criminal activity.  
1) do we even know if the money was in fact a fake $20?

2) Using counterfeit money is only a crime if you know that it is fake and still intend to use it anyway.

3) how often do the police put someone in cuffs when they are accused of using a fake $20?  The owner of the store suggested that this is unusual, saying usually the police just ask a few questions, collect the alleged fake currency, and then go.

We do know he was high on drugs

20 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

ALLEGED criminal activity.  
1) do we even know if the money was in fact a fake $20?

2) Using counterfeit money is only a crime if you know that it is fake and still intend to use it anyway.

3) how often do the police put someone in cuffs when they are accused of using a fake $20?  The owner of the store suggested that this is unusual, saying usually the police just ask a few questions, collect the alleged fake currency, and then go.

He was also "acting crazy" outside the store and high on fentanyl and meth.

 

That still does not excuse the actions of the cops after, but that is what got the cops there.

 

 

2 hours ago, Paul852 said:

What does this have to do with what Chauvin did?

It had to do with Candace's ACTUAL point about martyring criminals. No one should be killed, period. But Candace's actual point was about the movement being based on criminals like Floyd.

15 hours ago, Gannan said:

I stopped when she said we shouldn’t turn criminals into heroes. Floyd wasn’t convicted of anything. The cops saw to that when the decided to play judge, jury, and executioner and murder him in the street as he begged for his life. The last thing I would want is to have another authoritarian who doesn’t believe in constitutional rights or due process in a position of power no matter what color they are. It’s no wonder why some Trumpbots love her. 

Well then you missed the part where she ran down his rap sheet

5 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

Well then you missed the part where she ran down his rap sheet

More importantly he missed her entire point altogether.