September 29, 20204 yr 4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: I’ll boycott the Phillies if that’s the case. Would could possibly compel them to keep Klentak?
September 29, 20204 yr You’re hearing some pessimism from Phillie people, about Realmuto and the ability to re-sign him. And I understand they gave up Sixto Sánchez and Jorge Alfaro…they gave up a lot to get him for two years. They’ve made some efforts…I don’t know that anything that recent…but they’ve made some tries and my understanding is the sides are far apart. He’s clearly going to be a free agent at this point and have the opportunity to look around. And he’s a unique player…under 30. He’s certainly using the comp of [Joe] Mauer for an eight-year deal. And some people don’t think they want to give a catcher a long deal. I think a lot of people are going to say ‘catcher, that’s a tough position, we only want to give five years.’ But there’s gonna be somebody out there that gives him more than five years.” https://www.philliesnation.com/2020/09/phillies-reportedly-pessimistic-about-chances-to-retain-j-t-realmuto/?fbclid=IwAR15GKTzvhuDQzAHNnQUCq_-dYvHdey3fgdt71DZbmzLZpdMUmwNBbif3Rs
September 29, 20204 yr 21 hours ago, Blazehound said: I’ll boycott the Phillies if that’s the case. Would could possibly compel them to keep Klentak? I go to Clearwater every year and go to 5-6 games up here. If they bring Matt back I wont root/follow this team, they will be dead to me.
September 30, 20204 yr 15 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said: Gee, if only they had known he played catcher prior to trading for him. We all like Realmuto and all, but basically what they just did....they traded a first round pick for a 29 year old RB coming off a pro-bowl year. Every so often, NFL GM's do something like that. That's what Klentak did in doing Sixto for Realmuto.
September 30, 20204 yr I think Middleton is going to fire Klentak. They took their time in evaluating all options before firing Kapler. They will do the same here. Middleton can do a few things here: 1. Fire Klentak & let Realmuto walk. Saves money. Still diverts fan rage, pressure is then off. 2. Keep Klentak & re-sign Realmuto. Costly, but this will somewhat cool down the fan angst and saves a little face. 3. Keep Klentak & let Realmuto walk. Fanbase rebellion. Now, Middleton is squarely in the crosshairs of every single Phillies fan. Not Klentak. It's all on the owner. Anyone is going to be sufficiently self-preserving to avoid this scenario. Middleton has to know this.
October 1, 20204 yr 5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: No-brainer Phillies' fans should be taking notes from Jets fans right now. For any of you locals, please organize a "Fire Klentak" rally right outside of CBP. Sprinkle in a bunch of "Re-sign Realmuto or DIE" signs to send a message to Middleton.
October 3, 20204 yr Good enough. He can stay around and make copies for the next GM if he wants. There’s hope and definite indication that Middleton wants to win. Will be interesting to see what goes down with JT now
October 3, 20204 yr they’re gonna use COVID making financial issues to let Realmuto go. It’s happening
October 4, 20204 yr I've got to be completely honest...I didn't like the Realmuto trade at the time...and at the time, I assumed they intended to extend him immediately. And now...despite the downright hideous sunk cost of the trade, I'm still not 100% fired up to re-sign him. The catcher position in baseball is perfectly analogous to RB in football. 1. On the field, the position itself is important, but it becomes devalued due to shelf life. 2. At the prospect level, elite athletes at RB often are shifted into other positions (WR). Elite hitters who catch are shifted into other positions. 3. When you do stumble upon an elite franchise RB or catcher, in some ways, it is a burden. In football, your offense evolves into leaning on one back...and the entire scheme suffers when they need to be rested or are unavailable. In baseball, especially problematic in the national league, you need to bump off your first baseman to rest your elite catcher while keeping him in the lineup, or you lose hit bat altogether on rest days. It's just easier and cleaner when your best weapons are WRs and when your best hitters are corner infielders and corner outfielders. 4. If you've got 5 great OL, RB's good enough to get the job done grow on trees. If you've got 5 great starting pitchers, catchers just good enough to manage the staff and frame pitches also grow on trees. 5. RB rotations and catcher platoons have become the norm in both leagues for a reason. It's so much easier to dunk your big $$$ in the starting rotation and corner infield/outfield while getting a pair of quality catchers in the field with light bats for a bargain. I'm not really that excited to give a >5 year mega-contract to a 30 year old catcher. It will only take 2 years to get into the stretch of that deal you regret.
October 4, 20204 yr 23 minutes ago, eagle45 said: I've got to be completely honest...I didn't like the Realmuto trade at the time...and at the time, I assumed they intended to extend him immediately. And now...despite the downright hideous sunk cost of the trade, I'm still not 100% fired up to re-sign him. The catcher position in baseball is perfectly analogous to RB in football. 1. On the field, the position itself is important, but it becomes devalued due to shelf life. 2. At the prospect level, elite athletes at RB often are shifted into other positions (WR). Elite hitters who catch are shifted into other positions. 3. When you do stumble upon an elite franchise RB or catcher, in some ways, it is a burden. In football, your offense evolves into leaning on one back...and the entire scheme suffers when they need to be rested or are unavailable. In baseball, especially problematic in the national league, you need to bump off your first baseman to rest your elite catcher while keeping him in the lineup, or you lose hit bat altogether on rest days. It's just easier and cleaner when your best weapons are WRs and when your best hitters are corner infielders and corner outfielders. 4. If you've got 5 great OL, RB's good enough to get the job done grow on trees. If you've got 5 great starting pitchers, catchers just good enough to manage the staff and frame pitches also grow on trees. 5. RB rotations and catcher platoons have become the norm in both leagues for a reason. It's so much easier to dunk your big $$$ in the starting rotation and corner infield/outfield while getting a pair of quality catchers in the field with light bats for a bargain. I'm not really that excited to give a >5 year mega-contract to a 30 year old catcher. It will only take 2 years to get into the stretch of that deal you regret. You make a lot of good points. My thinking is if they sign him to say a 5 year deal, they can get a solid 3 years of catching from him and then he can either DH or play 1st base for the last 2 years so you are still keeping his bat in the lineup (I'm assuming the NL is going to adopt the DH full time starting next season). I think if they didn't give up Sixto in that trade and instead gave up say Spencer Howard, I think it would be an easier pill to swallow for letting JT go because they would still have their future staff ace. Now? They would have nothing to show for it. Don't get me wrong either, if he wants anything more than 5 years, I easily let him walk.
October 4, 20204 yr All depends on what he wants. Grandal got $73m over 4 years last season. That’s JT’s closest comparable contract. I’d offer $80m over 4 years or $90m over 5 years. If he wants more years or money, I’d let him walk.
October 5, 20204 yr 10 hours ago, eagle45 said: I've got to be completely honest...I didn't like the Realmuto trade at the time...and at the time, I assumed they intended to extend him immediately. And now...despite the downright hideous sunk cost of the trade, I'm still not 100% fired up to re-sign him. The catcher position in baseball is perfectly analogous to RB in football. 1. On the field, the position itself is important, but it becomes devalued due to shelf life. 2. At the prospect level, elite athletes at RB often are shifted into other positions (WR). Elite hitters who catch are shifted into other positions. 3. When you do stumble upon an elite franchise RB or catcher, in some ways, it is a burden. In football, your offense evolves into leaning on one back...and the entire scheme suffers when they need to be rested or are unavailable. In baseball, especially problematic in the national league, you need to bump off your first baseman to rest your elite catcher while keeping him in the lineup, or you lose hit bat altogether on rest days. It's just easier and cleaner when your best weapons are WRs and when your best hitters are corner infielders and corner outfielders. 4. If you've got 5 great OL, RB's good enough to get the job done grow on trees. If you've got 5 great starting pitchers, catchers just good enough to manage the staff and frame pitches also grow on trees. 5. RB rotations and catcher platoons have become the norm in both leagues for a reason. It's so much easier to dunk your big $$$ in the starting rotation and corner infield/outfield while getting a pair of quality catchers in the field with light bats for a bargain. I'm not really that excited to give a >5 year mega-contract to a 30 year old catcher. It will only take 2 years to get into the stretch of that deal you regret. not to mention, we have to spend on other positions as well, throwing all the money on jt is going to hurt this team long term because of his age and we are so weak at other positons, we are not going to get far in the playoffs. for some reason no one is seeing this, it's like john has unlimited money which he doesnt and if he gets hurt like jake and ryan howard, we are going to regret it. it's the reason why this team went downhill in the first place of long term big contracts. if harper wants out i have no problem trading him and spending short term on every position rather than regretting sitting on big contracts that can bring this team down again like with the ryan howard contract.
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