January 8, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, paco said: I prefer feel good war movies myself. "Pure libtard mindset propaganda " The novel was first published in November and December 1928 in the German newspaper Vossische Zeitung and in book form in late January 1929. The book and its sequel, The Road Back (1930), were among the books banned and burned in NSDAP Germany. All Quiet on the Western Front sold 2.5 million copies in 22 languages in its first 18 months in print.[1]
January 8, 20241 yr 57 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: "Pure libtard mindset propaganda " The novel was first published in November and December 1928 in the German newspaper Vossische Zeitung and in book form in late January 1929. The book and its sequel, The Road Back (1930), were among the books banned and burned in NSDAP Germany. All Quiet on the Western Front sold 2.5 million copies in 22 languages in its first 18 months in print.[1] The tweet is right: Storm of Steel is a better book and greater story. No doubt about that. It would definitely make for a better movie. And certainly Jünger is a better author and more captivating, influential person than Remarque. Overall, if you could only read one, or make one into a movie, it should be Storm of Steel.
January 8, 20241 yr 29 minutes ago, TEW said: The tweet is right: Storm of Steel is a better book and greater story. No doubt about that. It would definitely make for a better movie. And certainly Jünger is a better author and more captivating, influential person than Remarque. Overall, if you could only read one, or make one into a movie, it should be Storm of Steel. Cool. I found it interesting that a talking head from today called the story "Pure libtard mindset propaganda” in very much the same way fascists from NSDAP germany did in the 1930’s. You know… not that they’re the same or anything…
January 9, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, MidMoFo said: Cool. I found it interesting that a talking head from today called the story "Pure libtard mindset propaganda” in very much the same way fascists from NSDAP germany did in the 1930’s. You know… not that they’re the same or anything… Get over the constant Pavlovian need to compare everything to funny mustache time and take the tweet at face value. He’s right. Like, 100%, totally, absolutely right. The entire point is the horror of war, to wallow in pain and misery and suffering. Obviously that is a significant part of war, but it is far from the only aspect. Against, compare that to Storm of Steel, where the author himself is wounded severely no less than seven times including a near fatal gunshot to the chest. The tone of the book is much flatter and matter of fact, where as All Quiet purposely injects a miserable tone. A good juxtaposition would be Band of Brothers. That managed to portray the horror of war quite well — the episode of Easy Company in the Forrest of Bastogne getting pounded by artillery I think we could agree was gut wrenching. Watching characters we had grown fond of over half a dozen or so hours getting killed and mutilated showed the worst part of war quite convincingly. But the other aspects were portrayed as well: the heroic actions of Spiers running through the enemy lines at German occupied Foy and then returning to save the failing assault; Winter’s textbook leadership when taking out the German guns at Brecourt Manor; the joy of the soldiers when victory was achieved at each battle; and of course, as the title suggests, the camaraderie formed among men fighting together. And it is certainly a true observation that this focus on misery is a fundamentally leftist view. More over, it is a self-evidently demoralizing and defeatist position from a psychological perspective, which is what I think the post was getting at.
January 9, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, TEW said: Get over the constant Pavlovian need to compare everything to funny mustache time and take the tweet at face value. He’s right. Like, 100%, totally, absolutely right. The entire point of the book is the horror of war, to wallow in pain and misery and suffering. Obviously that is a significant part of war, but it is far from the only aspect. A good juxtaposition would be Band of Brothers. That managed to portray the horror of war quite well — the episode of Easy Company in the Forrest of Bastogne getting pounded by artillery I think we could agree was gut wrenching. Watching characters we had grown fond of over half a dozen or so hours getting killed and mutilated showed the worst part of war quite convincingly. But the other aspects were portrayed as well: the heroic actions of Spiers running through the enemy lines at German occupied Foy and then returning to save the failing assault; Winter’s textbook leadership when taking out the German guns at Brecourt Manor; the joy of the soldiers when victory was achieved at each battle; and of course, as the title suggests, the camaraderie formed among men fighting together. And it is certainly a true observation that this focus on misery is a fundamentally leftist view. More over, it is a self-evidently demoralizing and defeatist position from a psychological perspective, which is what I think the post was getting at. Band of Brothers is incredible, it is one of my favorite series of all time. Do you think it’s ironic that NSDAP germany burned copies of "All quiet on the Western Front” in the 1930’s and now some Magat talking head calls it "Pure libtard mindset propaganda”? For the record… I have never read the book OR watched the movie.
January 9, 20241 yr Just now, MidMoFo said: Band of Brothers is incredible, it is one of my favorite series of all time. Do you think it’s ironic that NSDAP germany burned copies of "All quiet on the Western Front” in the 1930’s and now some Magat talking head calls it "Pure libtard mindset propaganda”? For the record… I have never read the book OR watched the movie. I don’t think it’s ironic at all. Your entire world view seems to revolve around NSDAP Germany. Everything past, present and future is viewed through that lens. I don’t share such a narrow, tinted view. Up until relatively recently in human history, just about every nation would ban such a book during war time. Again, it is a hugely demoralizing book. Intentionally so. The idea of allowing your entire population to be demoralized by a book was not something any nation would even contemplate until a few hundred years ago, and most wouldn’t allow it even today. In fact, if I wanted to conduct a psychological operation on an opposing population, I would simply drop such a book written by one of its own population from the sky for them to read. I can’t imagine better propaganda. The tweet is a legitimate critique with a lot of merit to it. It would be true even if the author turned out to be Joseph Goebbels himself. The unrelenting agony and despair is something a LOT of people would remark on, perhaps not in explicitly political terms, but certainly in the spirit of critiquing the film as "wallowing” in misery. Reading the book or watching the movie would give clarity to his statement, I think. It’s a purposefully miserable experience. That is its raison d’etre.
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