Some real struggle going on in Israel these days.  The protests against the new govt powers have gone so far the the minister of defense is now asking for the judicial overhaul process to be paused.  Things are already fairly bad but could certainly get a good bit worse.

4 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Some real struggle going on in Israel these days.  The protests against the new govt powers have gone so far the the minister of defense is now asking for the judicial overhaul process to be paused.  Things are already fairly bad but could certainly get a good bit worse.

The right wing proving itself. 

8 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

The right wing proving itself. 

Certainly what it looks like to me

...and the Defense Minister is fired

oy vey

General Council in NY resigned, 23 county heads start hunger strike, mob has broken thru barricades at Netanyahu house, intersections blocked all across the country. Sheet hitting the fan tonight. 

15 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

General Council in NY resigned, 23 county heads start hunger strike, mob has broken thru barricades at Netanyahu house, intersections blocked all across the country. Sheet hitting the fan tonight. 

Rightfully so from what I am reading 

 

 

The Israeli people are speaking. Anyone listening?

1 hour ago, toolg said:

The Israeli people are speaking. Anyone listening?

The process to change the legal structures has been paused.  Looks like at least they have been observed.  Going to be a rocky period for sure over the next weeks and months at best.

the world is a powder keg right now. 

I don’t know the details but from the vague description I’m reading it sounds like I agree with the overhaul…why would you be against the legislature making the law and the judges applying it?  Or is that not what’s happening?

It turns out that people that live under a democracy don't want their country turned into an autocracy. Hopefully the people are heard. 

28 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

I don’t know the details but from the vague description I’m reading it sounds like I agree with the overhaul…why would you be against the legislature making the law and the judges applying it?  Or is that not what’s happening?

The proposed change would give the lawmakers the power to override the court. 

13 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

The proposed change would give the lawmakers the power to override the court. 

The way I see it, the constitution here overrides the court, so why not the Knesset.  Of course, to be fair the constitution was written in convention.  But convention is basically just ‘lawmakers,’ but it does have special political significance which gives it a lot more power. ( Or the constitution was amended, but those lawmakers also have special power by virtue of the rigorous process required to amend)

 

the problem with Israel is they don’t have a constitution and its kind of ambiguous what authority the Knesset has…to me it would be a lot better probably to do what they are suggesting…give the Knesset the power of a convention…it’s just a question whether they need to be unanimous to override the courts or just need some kind of super majority…the constitution of the United States I’m pretty sure was ‘unanimous’ in convention, but it’s easier of course to be unanimous at the end of a war than in other times …

 

Authoritarianism is f'n dangerous - whether its promoted by the left or right. Not a single example of it in history ever ends well.

Separation of judiciary and legislative branches is an important facet of democracy, and watering down powers of the judicial branch is slippery slope down to greater Authoritarianism. Good on the people for standing up to it.

20 hours ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

The way I see it, the constitution here overrides the court, so why not the Knesset.  Of course, to be fair the constitution was written in convention.  But convention is basically just ‘lawmakers,’ but it does have special political significance which gives it a lot more power. ( Or the constitution was amended, but those lawmakers also have special power by virtue of the rigorous process required to amend)

 

the problem with Israel is they don’t have a constitution and its kind of ambiguous what authority the Knesset has…to me it would be a lot better probably to do what they are suggesting…give the Knesset the power of a convention…it’s just a question whether they need to be unanimous to override the courts or just need some kind of super majority…the constitution of the United States I’m pretty sure was ‘unanimous’ in convention, but it’s easier of course to be unanimous at the end of a war than in other times …

 

The answer is somewhere there in your post.  This isn't a simple law that is being pushed.  It is a fundamental change in the structure of govt, essentially a large piece of a constitution.  It isn't something that should be done easily and without a long and lively debate.  On top of that, Netanyahu stands to gain personally in a very very substantial and unethical manner.

The process being contemplated is akin to giving the Congress the right to overrule SCOTUS and in a context where the Congress appoints the President.

50 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

The answer is somewhere there in your post.  This isn't a simple law that is being pushed.  It is a fundamental change in the structure of govt, essentially a large piece of a constitution.  It isn't something that should be done easily and without a long an lively debate.  On top of that, Netanyahu stands to gain personally in a very very substantial and unethical manner.

The process being contemplated is akin to giving the Congress the right to overrule SCOTUS and in a context where the Congress appoints the President.

He has asked for a pause.  Might take more than a month, but if you really want a change, you have to be careful that a ‘delay’ doesn’t turn into a fizzle out. The particular law, yes, might be worth changing or not, I don’t know.  But from what I’ve read, they have no "constitution” or only a few bare bones constitutional provisions… hard for me to read and say "aha I see how their government  works”

15 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

He has asked for a pause.  Might take more than a month, but if you really want a change, you have to be careful that a ‘delay’ doesn’t turn into a fizzle out. The particular law, yes, might be worth changing or not, I don’t know.  But from what I’ve read, they have no "constitution” or only a few bare bones constitutional provisions… hard for me to read and say "aha I see how their government  works”

For sure, but there is obviously a manner of working that is established and people know what to expect.  This move is a right wing coalition (with a far right party) attempting to abuse power.

14 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

For sure, but there is obviously a manner of working that is established and people know what to expect.  This move is a right wing coalition (with a far right party) attempting to abuse power.

There are a lot of situations I can think of where "I know what to expect” but that doesn’t mean I like what I expect…

16 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

There are a lot of situations I can think of where "I know what to expect” but that doesn’t mean I like what I expect…

That's something else entirely.  I don't think the protesters are against reform.

3 hours ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

He has asked for a pause.  Might take more than a month, but if you really want a change, you have to be careful that a ‘delay’ doesn’t turn into a fizzle out. The particular law, yes, might be worth changing or not, I don’t know.  But from what I’ve read, they have no "constitution” or only a few bare bones constitutional provisions… hard for me to read and say "aha I see how their government  works”

We get it.  You're pro-authoritarianism.

4 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

We get it.  You're pro-authoritarianism.

What are you for?

26 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said:

What are you for?

Not authoritarianism

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

Not authoritarianism

How does that work