3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

 

He must have had a good summer league because his g league stats are pretty ordinary 

 

 

1 hour ago, iladelphxx said:

 

 

If the goal is ultimately as much cap space as possible for 2024 offseason and 2023-24 is going to be a a take a step back year then it’s moot point. Whatever they get in a harden trade isn’t going to be enough and him not playing isn’t going to be enough. The goal at that point is what gives me most cap flexibility in 2024 offseason and some assets going forward like draft picks. The reality is the sixers aren’t making a trade unless they get back picks and expiring contracts or somehow Mann is included. I like mann but don’t view him as some untouchable player he’s 27 and solid. His contract expires at the end of 24-25 where he’s 29 and likely gonna get overpaid in FA. 

not talked about I’m guessing the sixers don’t want Powell and his 3 years left at $18 mil per season coming back cause it puts a dent in their cap space next offseason. Clippers want him gone and off the books (already reported) cause clear significant cap space next offseason if kawhi, PG and harden become FA/opt out if it once again fails. 

 

 

My gut says this stemmed from him taking a paycut with the guarantee of a long term deal that never eventuated. 

Even if we don't think Harden is worth a long term deal, this could be a disaster with trying to bring FA's into Philly. The Morey situation may be untenable if you are trying to recruit guys for next season if the players around the league don't trust him

7 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

 

 

Well that escalated quickly.

If Harden refuses to pay, what does that mean for the 76ers, their cap and his contract situation? Does he become a FA if he sits out this season?

 

8 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Well that escalated quickly.

If Harden refuses to pay, what does that mean for the 76ers, their cap and his contract situation? Does he become a FA if he sits out this season?

 

No, he doesn't gain the accrued season and will stay under contract 

I think they've made some changes since the Simmons situation as well

26 minutes ago, Mat said:

My gut says this stemmed from him taking a paycut with the guarantee of a long term deal that never eventuated. 

Even if we don't think Harden is worth a long term deal, this could be a disaster with trying to bring FA's into Philly. The Morey situation may be untenable if you are trying to recruit guys for next season if the players around the league don't trust him

Agree. Soething was said that about an extension. 

Morey did it to CP3 telling him he wouldn't be traded than days later, traded. 

57 minutes ago, Mat said:

My gut says this stemmed from him taking a paycut with the guarantee of a long term deal that never eventuated. 

Even if we don't think Harden is worth a long term deal, this could be a disaster with trying to bring FA's into Philly. The Morey situation may be untenable if you are trying to recruit guys for next season if the players around the league don't trust him

That's what it is about. 

Hopefully this gets Morey fired. We need them both gone. 

1 hour ago, Mat said:

My gut says this stemmed from him taking a paycut with the guarantee of a long term deal that never eventuated. 

 

yeah...that's been reported for a while now, i believe. harden took less last season with the understanding that he'd get paid this offseason. i don't really blame morey for not overpaying after seeing the way harden crapped the bed in the playoffs...but i see harden's point too...they had an "understanding". 

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21 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

That's what it is about. 

Hopefully this gets Morey fired. We need them both gone. 

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1 hour ago, Mat said:

My gut says this stemmed from him taking a paycut with the guarantee of a long term deal that never eventuated. 

Even if we don't think Harden is worth a long term deal, this could be a disaster with trying to bring FA's into Philly. The Morey situation may be untenable if you are trying to recruit guys for next season if the players around the league don't trust him

Guarantee morey promised him a long term extension last year when he took the contract he did to bring on tucker and house. I tend to think if the Sixers would’ve gotten to the Eastern conference finals and didn’t blow it as badly as they did in game six and game seven that he has a better shot of getting an extension.

Morey shouldn’t have promised that to him last offseason. He should’ve said we can’t at your age and what you showed us this past year in the playoffs. it was stupid of morey to say it even if he wasn’t going to be truthful cause you sit in the spot you do now  

Meanwhile harden really also has himself to blame which he’s yet to do. He was bad again in the playoffs outside of 4 of the 11 games. And not just bad but horrific in the two biggest games of the season in games 6 and 7. Morey is an idiot but harden has a complete lack of self awareness how awful he was in game 6 and 7 (most of the playoffs outside of games 1,4 and lesser extent 5 vs. Celtics) to even find himself not having a market to get a contract he wanted.  

what I find funny in all this is his the other day his agent saying he’s determined to get into the best shape of his life and be an mvp again. So what the heck did you do last offseason? Cause that should’ve been the goal to force the sixers into having to give you that max and if they didn’t someone in FA would’ve. So my guess is he didn’t do that as he assumed he was getting that deal from the sixers for taking a pay cut last offseason. Which if i were any team I’d be frightened to give him a big money deal as he’s very likely to get it then just not put in the work cause he is secured with the money he wants. 

54 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

yeah...that's been reported for a while now, i believe. harden took less last season with the understanding that he'd get paid this offseason. i don't really blame morey for not overpaying after seeing the way harden crapped the bed in the playoffs...but i see harden's point too...they had an "understanding". 

Yeah I see both sides of it. Morey's point of view is probably something like "I was going to honor that handshake agreement until you flat out quit in the playoffs". 

1 minute ago, Gannan said:

Yeah I see both sides of it. Morey's point of view is probably something like "I was going to honor that handshake agreement until you flat out quit in the playoffs". 

yep...meanwhile, harden still thinks he's playing at mvp level. 

17 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Yeah I see both sides of it. Morey's point of view is probably something like "I was going to honor that handshake agreement until you flat out quit in the playoffs". 

15 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

yep...meanwhile, harden still thinks he's playing at mvp level. 

It's a messy situation, but I think Morey deserves credit for standing his ground and not giving the handshake agreed upon extension after that playoff performance.

At this point it looks like Morey has the leverage. If Harden sits out, he blocks his own free agency and that makes it harder for him to make it to LA.

However, if we're considering this year as a re-tooling year with the goal of loading up on free agents under the max slots next offseason, having Harden stuck here under contract isn't a good look.

Do we entertain the possibility of addition by subtraction and just bite the bullet? Take the deal of expiring contracts offered by the Clippers and see what a team led by Embiid and Maxey can do this year?

8 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Yeah I see both sides of it. Morey's point of view is probably something like "I was going to honor that handshake agreement until you flat out quit in the playoffs". 

Was an agreement. I think it was obvious when he took the pay cut. I tend to think this started around Christmas time when James harden and his camp released that he is strongly considering going back to Houston and houston wanted him.   I think they knew then that the Sixers saw the type of player he is currently with a whole off-season of work that he was never going to be what he was two or three years ago and that extension was in jeopardy. He was a declining player who hadn’t taken care of his body the way he should’ve when he was younger. 

If the sixers finish off Boston in game 6 or 7 and get to the ECF then i think he’s getting thah extension cause there’s hope by adding a couple pieces they can get themselves over the top. Instead like he always does, he imploded when the lights were the brightest and looked for 8 of the 11 playoff games exactly how he looked in 2022 playoffs. Unfortunately harden lives in the reality where he only views game 1 and 4 as why he should be paid. 

if I’m morey (cause id be petty), I’d leak out that harden quit game 6 and 7 cause he found out he wasn’t getting a max extension and let him deal with that. 

3 minutes ago, eaglesfan0075 said:

It's a messy situation, but I think Morey deserves credit for standing his ground and not giving the handshake agreed upon extension after that playoff performance.

At this point it looks like Morey has the leverage. If Harden sits out, he blocks his own free agency and that makes it harder for him to make it to LA.

However, if we're considering this year as a re-tooling year with the goal of loading up on free agents under the max slots next offseason, having Harden stuck here under contract isn't a good look.

Do we entertain the possibility of addition by subtraction and just bite the bullet? Take the deal of expiring contracts offered by the Clippers and see what a team led by Embiid and Maxey can do this year?

That part isn’t really a concern tbh. The sixers aren’t going to block him from FA in 2024. They want his cap number off the books so they have max amount of cap for 2024 offseason. Unless embiid demands a trade at the end of the year before FA and then the sixers want to be petty that would be the only way. I’m guessing embiid is gonna want to see what happens in 2024 FA before demanding his trade which means harden is already gone. 

If you are trying to attract players here the last thing you want to be perceived by the players around the league is that you're petty and can't be trusted to stick by your word when there was an agreement in place. You do yourself no favours in the situation, especially after the whole Simmons f around.

At this point you either see if canning Morey brings Harden back for this season or you trade him where he wants to go for pennies on the dollar to free up the cap space and hope that it changes your perception around the league. The last thing you do is sit him and tell him too bad or get into a pissing match with him 

2 minutes ago, Mat said:

If you are trying to attract players here the last thing you want to be perceived by the players around the league is that you're petty and can't be trusted to stick by your word when there was an agreement in place. You do yourself no favours in the situation, especially after the whole Simmons f around.

At this point you either see if canning Morey brings Harden back for this season or you trade him where he wants to go for pennies on the dollar to free up the cap space and hope that it changes your perception around the league. The last thing you do is sit him and tell him too bad or get into a pissing match with him 

no way do you fire Morey to see if Harden comes back. We dont want Harden back. 

Get rid of Harden, then get rid of Morey. Joel Embiid is basically our GM next summer anyway.

17 minutes ago, Mat said:

If you are trying to attract players here the last thing you want to be perceived by the players around the league is that you're petty and can't be trusted to stick by your word when there was an agreement in place. You do yourself no favours in the situation, especially after the whole Simmons f around.

At this point you either see if canning Morey brings Harden back for this season or you trade him where he wants to go for pennies on the dollar to free up the cap space and hope that it changes your perception around the league. The last thing you do is sit him and tell him too bad or get into a pissing match with him 

Don’t want harden back. He showed you his true colors in game 6 and 7. Then his agent basically alluded to the fact he didn’t work as hard as they said last summer as now supposedly he’s working harder then ever to be back to mvp form. Don’t want him back whatsoever. The dude is a loser and has no self awareness for what he currently is. I don’t often agree with doc, but him being a facilitator is what he’s good at nowadays. He unfortunately thinks the offense should center around him as a scorer then a facilitator like game 1 vs. Boston. The reason why he was able to do what he did against Boston was because he had 10 days off. You’re not gonna have 10 days off every game for him to be able to do it. He showed you as the series went on, he wasn’t able to consistently sustain it when he had to play every other day. So he’s oblivious to what he needs to be doing.  

that said not going to see a deal unless harden either opens up the places besides the clippers (I’m not sure there’s many teams that want harden tbh. They all saw what we did and he’s 34), morey changes his demands or morey is fired and a new GM traded him for peanuts. I’m guessing none of those happen 

20 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

no way do you fire Morey to see if Harden comes back. We dont want Harden back. 

Get rid of Harden, then get rid of Morey. Joel Embiid is basically our GM next summer anyway.

They both need to go but you are right don't fire the one to keep the other. We disagree on who needs to go first, though. Morey isn't the guy to make the trade.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

They both need to go but you are right don't fire the one to keep the other. We disagree on who needs to go first, though. Morey isn't the guy to make the trade.

I think missed in this is what exactly the clippers offer is. I’m guaranteeing it ain’t just expiring contracts of morris, Covington and batum. The clippers put out before FA they wanted to unload Powell. They don’t want his contract on the books for 3 more years. he’s owed 3 years at 54 mil. They likely want to unload it on the sixers in this deal so if things implode again this year kawhi, Pg and harden are all off the books (kawhi and pG opting out) and they don’t have powell’s contract hurting their 2024 cap.

Whoever takes over for morey doesn’t want that contract cause it puts a significant dent in their 2024 offseason plans and cap space.  The sixers are 99% dead in the water but their only 1% hope is 2024 offseason with as much cap flexibility as possible. 

But harden saved the day taking a pay cut!!