46 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think missed in this is what exactly the clippers offer is. I’m guaranteeing it ain’t just expiring contracts of morris, Covington and batum. The clippers put out before FA they wanted to unload Powell. They don’t want his contract on the books for 3 more years. he’s owed 3 years at 54 mil. They likely want to unload it on the sixers in this deal so if things implode again this year kawhi, Pg and harden are all off the books (kawhi and pG opting out) and they don’t have powell’s contract hurting their 2024 cap.

Whoever takes over for morey doesn’t want that contract cause it puts a significant dent in their 2024 offseason plans and cap space.  The sixers are 99% dead in the water but their only 1% hope is 2024 offseason with as much cap flexibility as possible. 

yep..this.

and we all know that free agents don't choose philly...so that possible cap room might not even help much.   

we're rooting for a losing franchise, folks. 

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

yep..this.

and we all know that free agents don't choose philly...so that possible cap room might not even help much.   

we're rooting for a losing franchise, folks. 

Yeah, we are pretty much the Orlando Magic in the early 2000s hoping and praying someone comes to us and probably never will.

34 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, we are pretty much the Orlando Magic in the early 2000s hoping and praying someone comes to us and probably never will.

I mean it’s basically the nba besides Miami, LA, GS (frankly they drafted well to get it started) who can attract big stars to those markets unless you draft really well to put the talent around a generational talent or have a GM that’s able to be creative to make things happen. The nuggets drafted better, developed players better and had better foresight in making their moves than sixers GM. Jokic is better than embiid however jokic roster has been constructed way better than what the sixers have done and developed guys better. They drafted and developed murray and Porter to go a long with jokic. Traded for Gordon and maximized his strengths. and their organization from ownership to GM to coach to player has been no where close to dysfunctional mess the sixers have been. 

Just saying the sixers 30 for 30 needs to be like a 10 part series. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean it’s basically the nba besides Miami, LA, GS (frankly they drafted well to get it started) who can attract big stars to those markets unless you draft really well to put the talent around a generational talent or have a GM that’s able to be creative to make things happen. The nuggets drafted better, developed players better and had better foresight in making their moves than sixers GM. Jokic is better than embiid however jokic roster has been constructed way better than what the sixers have done and developed guys better. They drafted and developed murray and Porter to go a long with jokic. Traded for Gordon and maximized his strengths. and their organization from ownership to GM to coach to player has been no where close to dysfunctional mess the sixers have been. 

Have said it for years it should have been Ben or Embiid from the beginning and if Joel then he needs shooters around him. 

Yet, Seth Curry signed a 1/4million dollar deal with the Mavs. 

The 2024 FA class is dog crap, just rip the bandaid off and trade Embiid 

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Have said it for years it should have been Ben or Embiid from the beginning and if Joel then he needs shooters around him. 

Yet, Seth Curry signed a 1/4million dollar deal with the Mavs. 

The 2024 FA class is dog crap, just rip the bandaid off and trade Embiid 

Tbh they should’ve just made the kawhi for Ben deal years ago. They likely would’ve at least gotten to ECF possibly won a title with the landscape/warriors injuries and then had cap space to maneuver when he left. 

Can’t trade embiid until next offseason as it’s the first year of his Supermax contract. So that’s not happening til next offseason at the earliest. 

The sixers are an unmitigated disaster and will be for the foreseeable future.  Need to trade Embiid asap, get rid of Morey, and do the process over again.

Yeeesh what a crap show.

Joel will asked to be traded after next season and then this Franchise is back to another ‘process’.

1 hour ago, LacesOut said:

Yeeesh what a crap show.

Joel will asked to be traded after next season and then this Franchise is back to another ‘process’.

If they knock it down fast enough they might be able to speed it up.

1 hour ago, LacesOut said:

Yeeesh what a crap show.

Joel will asked to be traded after next season and then this Franchise is back to another ‘process’.

That is eventually going to happen whether they traded him or he just declined but at some points it’s gonna happen it’s just a matter of when. The issue is is what I talked about two years ago. I love Tyrese Maxey. The issue is his timeline never matched up with Joel Embiid and the Sixers trying to win a title timeline. It was always going to take him to year four or five to get to his Apex. And as much as I love him, I think his apex is probably a number 2 on a championship team and that’s not a give.

 The issue is now once you trade embiid and you get the package to do you likely are going to be a fringe playoff team. With that stupid play in tournament you have a chance to make the playoff. So you’re not gonna be picking high enough I’m the lottery to get the sta player you need unless you draft really well and hit at the end of the lottery. Which besides maxey we haven’t exactly mastered. So you’re just gonna be what the Sixers were before they tore it down for the process.

it’s why I said a couple years ago it’s not that I wanted to trade maxey cause I don’t believe it can be good or eventually develop into a Star eventually. It was your timeline didn’t match up if you wanted to maximize Joel Embiid championship window. So essentially what’s going to happen is Embiid is going to be gone, Tyrese Maxey’s gonna be good enough to keep you right at the fringe of the playoffs so you’re not gonna bottomed out. Just treading water as another star isn’t going to sign with Philly (we’ve seen embiid here and not able to do it). Eventually Tyrese Maxey will see that this isn’t gonna work and then he’s going to be traded. it will never happen, but realistically your best chance to get another Superstar is to be really bad again, trade Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey to stockpile assets to try to get that guy.

 

i think harden would love atlanta wings and strippers. Can hangout with Lou 

It’s Keith so take it for what it’s worth

 

him and his agent are out of touch about what he is now and what the market is going to give him. He’s going to wind up playing for some lousy team in 24-25 that wants him for name only at the end of his career. 

 

harden is the embodiment of an entitled athlete. 

38 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

harden is the embodiment of an entitled athlete. 

He lives in a world where he views himself as the same player he was 4-5 years ago when he not. He’s delusional. His agent doesn’t help. From the stuff he said this weekend to the fact he was dumb enough to let his client signed the contract he did last offseason. You have to look your client in the face and say hey you’re 33 going on 34 there’s a chance you never get back to what you were a couple years ago. Don’t sign this contract that doesn’t benefit you long term unless this is the best contract we can get right now. He had leverage over the sixers cause if he walked they were screwed last offseason and look terrible especially after making that trade in February. go a year later can’t get yourself back to that MVP form, then you are a year older, were awful in two biggest games of the playoffs and FA wasnt going to be pretty and forced into this opt in year. 

now I do think morey said something to harden and his agent about guaranteeing that extension if he got himself back to superstar form and got them past the second round. I tend to think his agent and Harden probably didn’t listen to that part because they live in a world where they view things the way they want them to be not what it actually is 

If Harden has any evidence that Morey promised him a max deal for taking less last year, and he goes to the league with that…the Sixers are screwed. I wonder if this was a warning shot. 

23 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

If Harden has any evidence that Morey promised him a max deal for taking less last year, and he goes to the league with that…the Sixers are screwed. I wonder if this was a warning shot. 

Kind of feel like if he had that evidence he would’ve already exploited it before it got to this point and wouldn’t have use houston around Xmas time to try to put pressure on the sixers to give it. Based off how things went down during the season and leaks by his camp that they didn’t feel secure about actually getting it from the sixers like they anticipated last summer and wanted to pressure them by thinking he’d leave. Sixers/morey probably had feelers around then league that knew it was BS  

tend to believe morey asked him last year to take less to get two of his guys and if he came back close to his previous form (before his decline with the nets in the playoffs where he got hurt) they’d give him a max contract. I think his agent and harden believed it would happen regardless at that time cause harden and morey were close and the love affair morey had with harden. And cause they still view him as the same guy from 3-4 years ago ( in their mind too they believe the guaranteed max was deserving and morey lied based off leading the league in assists and averaging 20-10 that was good enough for a max). whereas the sixers didn’t see it that way because of how bad he was game 6 and 7 and like 75 percent of the playoffs. Fully believe if he played great in game 6 and 7 and they won he’d have a max. Heck even if they didn’t win but he balled out i think that happens. 

 

https://www.si.com/nba/2023/08/14/james-harden-daryl-morey-liar-76ers-nba-investigate

30 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

https://www.si.com/nba/2023/08/14/james-harden-daryl-morey-liar-76ers-nba-investigate

They looked in to it last year. if there was any promise made that would have been uncovered. 

They only found impermissible contact with House and Tucker. 

im glad the eagles fo isnt like this, like if players arent happy, they will get shipped and howie will use the assets to bring in players that want to be here. sixers fo are a complete joke because they wont listen to the players and do things their way, it's the reason why this team has never won a championship.

 

if butler wants to stay here, you keep him and ship out simmons and fire brett brown, if harden wants out, just trade him and get something back for him, if the players arent good or dont want to be here, ship them for assets or picks and use them to get stars. if it's that difficult then morey is complete moron, which he is anyway and so is the ownership complete embarrassment.

22 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

im glad the eagles fo isnt like this, like if players arent happy, they will get shipped and howie will use the assets to bring in players that want to be here. sixers fo are a complete joke because they wont listen to the players and do things their way, it's the reason why this team has never won a championship.

 

if butler wants to stay here, you keep him and ship out simmons and fire brett brown, if harden wants out, just trade him and get something back for him, if the players arent good or dont want to be here, ship them for assets or picks and use them to get stars. if it's that difficult then morey is complete moron, which he is anyway and so is the ownership complete embarrassment.

IMO, he’s not flexible in his thinking and digs his heals in way too much.

If Harden doesn’t play this season, I understand it’s as if this year of his contract never happened. In this case, does his contract and cap hit roll over to 2024?

18 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

IMO, he’s not flexible in his thinking and digs his heals in way too much.

If Harden doesn’t play this season, I understand it’s as if this year of his contract never happened. In this case, does his contract and cap hit roll over to 2024?

Believe if harden doesn’t show up then the sixers can prevent him from going to another team and signing with another team according to the new cba. The sixers likely dont want to do that as it’s more backlash and they’d want harden’s cap number off the books.

At this point i tend to think the sixers at this point are damned if they do damned if the don’t type of situation. one potential outcome in this if you let this continue out over months, players view Joshua Harris as a bad and absent owner as most players side with other players and players don’t want to come here so embiid asks to be trade next offseason. That doesn’t help the sixers in obtaining that new arena being build as public will be even more against doing it. so possible chance that Harris moves the team out of Philly or decides just to sell the team   

30 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

IMO, he’s not flexible in his thinking and digs his heals in way too much.

If Harden doesn’t play this season, I understand it’s as if this year of his contract never happened. In this case, does his contract and cap hit roll over to 2024?

the contract definitely does, so i am assuming the cap hit will as well.