June 22, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: I have to believe that the Navy or the CIA or the DIA or the NSA (of all of them), either knew or at the very least have the ability to know that this thing imploded and exactly when it did so. Because they have (or at least I believe they have), underwater listening devices that can track vessels (surface and sub-surface). If I'm not mistaken, they heard the Kursk implode/explode or whatever it was that happened to it when it went down. They may never come out with that information, because I'm sure it's highly classified, but I feel pretty sure that the information is there somewhere that can pinpoint exactly the time of implosion... which we basically know anyway, if it happened at the moment of signal loss. I don't pretend to know the slightest thing about sonar bouys or how sensitive they may be but apparently they didn't pick up anything. Maybe it was too far down when the breach happened to have been picked up? Or as you said, could be that they did pick up something which was similar to the sonar signature of a deep water implosion and decided not to share that information with the media or other countries involved in the search. 1h ago / 3:31 PM EDT Sonar buoys in search did not detect any implosion sounds Marlene Lenthang It's not clear exactly when the Titan imploded, but Coast Guard officials said that sonar buoys dispatched "did not hear any signs of catastrophic failure." "This was a catastrophic implosion of the vessel which would have generated a significant broadband sound down there that the sonar buoys would have picked up," Rear Adm. John Mauger of the Coast Guard said at a news conference today. Sonar buoys had detected noises in the water Tuesday and yesterday that were being assessed for patterns, but he said today "there doesn't appear to be any connection between the noises and the location [of the debris] on the sea floor."
June 22, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: Well that was anticlimactic Don't tell Don Jr though, he's still trying to tie this to Soros somehow.
June 22, 20232 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: I don't pretend to know the slightest thing about sonar bouys or how sensitive they may be but apparently they didn't pick up anything. Maybe it was too far down when the breach happened to have been picked up? Or could be that they did pick up something which was similar to the sonar signature of a deep water implosion and decided not to share that information with the media or other countries involved in the search. I'm not talking about simple sonar buoys, the NSA/CIA or other top security/spy departments/agencies have (I think but could just be thinking about Hollywood fantasy sort of stuff) much more sophisticated underwater listening devices that are permanently in place in the ocean. I remember reports that we (the U.S.) heard explosions onboard the Kursk and knew where it happened and things of that nature, before anyone else (other than those onboard), knew.
June 22, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: I'm not talking about simple sonar buoys, the NSA/CIA or other top security/spy departments/agencies have (I think but could just be thinking about Hollywood fantasy sort of stuff) much more sophisticated underwater listening devices that are permanently in place in the ocean. I remember reports that we (the U.S.) heard explosions onboard the Kursk and knew where it happened and things of that nature, before anyone else (other than those onboard), knew. Oh, yea maybe, this was fairly far out from coastal waters though. Wouldn't be surprised if they did have something like that in place for obvious reasons.
June 22, 20232 yr 32 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: I have to believe that the Navy or the CIA or the DIA or the NSA (of all of them), either knew or at the very least have the ability to know that this thing imploded and exactly when it did so. Because they have (or at least I believe they have), underwater listening devices that can track vessels (surface and sub-surface). If I'm not mistaken, they heard the Kursk implode/explode or whatever it was that happened to it when it went down. They may never come out with that information, because I'm sure it's highly classified, but I feel pretty sure that the information is there somewhere that can pinpoint exactly the time of implosion... which we basically know anyway, if it happened at the moment of signal loss. Once you get below the thermocline sounds underwater travel a pretty significant distance without much in the way of background noises. Above you have the surface noises that make it hard to distinguish amongst the background clutter, but below you can hear for a long ways off. Subs use the layer to duck under and travel fast, because the propulsion noises won’t go above the layer too well.
June 22, 20232 yr I don't have a subscription to the Wall Street Journal, so I can't read the story but below is the headline (I also heard this on the news a few minutes ago). Quote Top Secret U.S. Navy System Heard Titan Implosion Days Ago Underwater microphones designed to detect enemy submarines first detected Titan tragedy https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-navy-detected-titan-sub-implosion-days-ago-6844cb12
June 22, 20232 yr The Fed up thing is that this was the second best possible outcome. And the best of the likely outcomes. Terrifying.
June 22, 20232 yr James Cameron. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/james-cameron-titan-titanic-oceangate-215459573.html James Cameron compares the Titan tragedy to the sinking of the Titanic: 'Warnings went unheeded' The "Titanic" director and deep sea explorer breaks his silence about the missing submersible. Like the rest of the world, filmmaker and deep sea explorer James Cameron has been closely monitoring the story of OceanGate's tourist submersible, Titan, which lost contact with the surface during a dive to the final resting place of the RMS Titanic. It's a site that Cameron knows well, having visited the remains of the ship multiple times in the quarter century since directing his 1997 blockbuster about the doomed passenger liner. Appearing on ABC News in the wake of the Coast Guard's announcement that the five passengers aboard the Titan likely perished following a "catastrophic implosion," Cameron remarked on the "surreal" nature of this latest tragedy. "I'm struck by the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself," the director noted, referring to the reports that many experts in the deep sea submergence community warned OceanGate about its vessel. "The captain was repeatedly warned about ice ahead of his ship and yet he steamed at full speed into an ice field on a moonless night and many people died as a result. "For a very similar tragedy where warnings went unheeded to take place at the same exact site... I think is just astonishing," Cameron continued, paying a personal tribute to one of the passengers, 77-year-old French explorer Paul-Henri Nargeolet. "I've known PH for 25 years," the director said. "For him to have died tragically in this way is almost impossible for me to process." Cameron has been an active member of the deep sea submergence community since the early 2000s. His 2003 documentary, Ghosts of the Abyss, depicted his expedition to the remains of the Titanic and its 2005 follow-up, Aliens of the Deep, showcased the life that exists at the ocean's deeper depths. In 2012, Cameron piloted the Deepsea Challenger into the Challenger Deep — the deepest known part of the seabed. "I've been down [to the Titanic] many times," Cameron told ABC News, placing his total number of dives to the site at 33. "I actually calculated [that] I've spent more time on the ship than the captain did back in the day." But Cameron also stressed that he places an enormous value on understanding the science behind his passion. "I designed and built a sub to go to the deepest place in the ocean — three times deeper than Titanic," he said, referring to the Deepsea Challenger. "So I understand the engineering problems associated with building this type of vehicle and all the safety protocols you have to go through." Oceanographer Bob Ballard and Cameron study a scale model of the RMS Titanic in the documentary Titanic: 20 Years Later With James Cameron. (Photo: National Geographic/Mark Fellman) Cameron cited the implosion that officials believe destroyed the Titan as the kind of "violent event" that's "first and foremost" on the minds of deep sea engineers. "The pressure boundary is what they call the hull of the sub that people go inside of," the director explained. "We spend so much time and energy on that and we use all the computerized tools available today. We worked on our sphere for our vehicle that went to the Challenger Deep for over three years just in the computer before we even made the thing. Then pressure tested it over and over." That attention to the smallest engineering detail is something that Cameron appeared to suggest wasn't followed by the makers of the Titan. "Many people in the community were very concerned about this sub," he noted. "A number of the top players in the deep submergence engineering community even wrote letters to the company, saying that what they were doing was too experimental to carry passengers and that it needed to be certified." Indeed, in 2018 more than three dozen oceanographers and deep sea explorers penned a letter to OceanGate warning of "catastrophic" consequences due to its "experimental" approach. According to Cameron, the "take home" message from the Titan tragedy is that deep sea submergence is a "mature art," that is always improving provided safety is closely followed. "The certification protocols that are all over deep submergence vehicles — except this one — that carry passengers... the safety record is the gold standard, absolutely. Not only no fatalities, but also no major incidents requiring all of these assets to converge to a site. That's the nightmare we've all lived with since all of us entered this field of deep exploration. We live with it in the back of our mind."
June 23, 20232 yr "I’ve broken some rules to make this” – OceanGate CEO speaking on Titan https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/ive-broken-some-rules-make-this-oceangate-ceo/YIK2QG4QB5HIDO4L57D6SPDN6E/ Quote "The pressure vessel is not Macgyver’ed at all because that’s where we worked with Boeing, NASA, and the University of Washington,” Rush said at the time. But on Thursday, Boeing sent KIRO7 a statement that said: "Boeing was not a partner on the Titan and did not design or build it.” The University of Washington also said its Applied Physics Lab "was not involved in the design, engineering or testing of the Titan submersible used in the RMS TITANIC expedition.” UW did work with OceanGate on another shallow-water sub (not deep water) named "Cyclops” that can travel to 500 meters in depth. UW spokesperson Victor Balta said that the collaboration ended early. "University of Washington’s Applied Physics Laboratory initially signed a $5 million research collaborative agreement with OceanGate, but only $650,000 worth of work was completed before the two organizations parted ways‚” Balta said in a statement. The UW didn’t answer questions on why the partnership ended. Lots of red flags.
June 23, 20232 yr Holy ish, Crenshaw is trying to blame Biden. He's unironically making the "One thing we can all agree on, Biden's liberal policies did this" joke. These clowns are literally beyond parody.
June 23, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Holy ish, Crenshaw is blaming Biden. He's actually making the "One thing we can all agree on, Biden's liberal policies did this" joke. These clowns are literally beyond parody. This is all these nimrods have. Bad thing happens and cue the "Biden did this!! His failed liberal policies, even the ones put in place by Trump, did this!!! Raaaaaghj!!!!!"
June 23, 20232 yr The company is going to be sued regardless of the signed waivers. The negligence is astonishing. The vessel was a tube. Experimental. It was unlike other mainstream types of vessels that are more round. They were warned by other experts in the field about the dangers, before this voyage took place. It appears they never tested it. It also appears they never went through any type of certification process. It also appears that this was the first time it went in the water. The hull used the wrong material. Carbon fiber, not steel or titanium. they didn't have any back up system or Auto return system.
June 23, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Holy ish, Crenshaw is trying to blame Biden. He's unironically making the "One thing we can all agree on, Biden's liberal policies did this" joke. These clowns are literally beyond parody. This doesn't even make sense so of course a Republican said it.
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