1 minute ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

Well the coaches certainly deserve some criticism.  They (and the refs) made that game way closer than it needed to be. 

I have to say I’d give more criticism to the DC, because it took him so long to make adjustments to deal with the Commanders passing attack, but I also acknowledge he had some limitations especially in the secondary. 

2 hours ago, GeorgeM37 said:

Because thats what people with absolutely no football IQ do....and those that want to find a reason to trash Hurts....they are still out there, even after taking us all the way to the superbowl last year.....those lingering morons who just really want to see him fail....forget the team being undefeated right now, lets put the blame on the QB......

I think it’s valid. Let’s put the blame on the quarterback. They have been winners since he’s had a full season named as the starter. Some dopes like having a QB who throws for over 300 yards, but throws that INT into triple coverage or gets that sack fumble to lose. At least he threw for 300 yards and someone told them that’s how you "win in the NFL today.” I’ll take the QB who gets the real win over that ASSumed garbage. 

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I have to say I’d give more criticism to the DC, because it took him so long to make adjustments to deal with the Commanders passing attack, but I also acknowledge he had some limitations especially in the secondary. 

Yes...the soft coverage, 10 yard cushions on 3rd and 5, stretches with no pressure on Howell, etc.  But there was some idiotic offensive playcalling.  Running the ball on 3rd and 11, totally abandoning the run on a few drives, pass heavy playcalling at the end of the game when we just needed to run the ball and run the clock out. 

4 minutes ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

Yes...the soft coverage, 10 yard cushions on 3rd and 5, stretches with no pressure on Howell, etc.  But there was some idiotic offensive playcalling.  Running the ball on 3rd and 11, totally abandoning the run on a few drives, pass heavy playcalling at the end of the game when we just needed to run the ball and run the clock out. 

The TD pass late was audible by Hurts due to coverage he saw. It was executed perfectly if Brown doesn’t get that stupid penalty they likely have to drive 75 yards to score with no timeouts and about a minute left to score. Also over the past three weeks all I’ve been hearing is "why don’t we pass more,” "this is a passing league,” and "you gotta pass to win” garbage. Well the Eagles passed and people are still complaining. The Eagles ran the Vikings off the field and people were complaining. Truth is the Commanders did a pretty good job against the Eagles run game. As a total the Eagles averaged only 3.9 yards a carry. When you take Jalen’s contribution out of it the Eagles we’re at 3.8 yards a carry. They were not as productive on the ground against that Washington front. 

31 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The TD pass late was audible by Hurts due to coverage he saw. It was executed perfectly if Brown doesn’t get that stupid penalty they likely have to drive 75 yards to score with no timeouts and about a minute left to score. Also over the past three weeks all I’ve been hearing is "why don’t we pass more,” "this is a passing league,” and "you gotta pass to win” garbage. Well the Eagles passed and people are still complaining. The Eagles ran the Vikings off the field and people were complaining. Truth is the Commanders did a pretty good job against the Eagles run game. As a total the Eagles averaged only 3.9 yards a carry. When you take Jalen’s contribution out of it the Eagles we’re at 3.8 yards a carry. They were not as productive on the ground against that Washington front. 

Yeah true that was an audible, the penalty was total crap Brown didn't even do anything.  I've never been one of the ones that want us to pass more with this O-line and our stable of backs.  Hurts had some dangerous throws there at the end of the game that didn't even need to happen, I recall us passing on 2nd and 3 and also I believe another 2nd and 6, with a lead and just needing to run the clock out.  Offensively I just don't understand the need to take the risk and get cute there.  Just run the clock out with your monster O-line and running backs. 

3 hours ago, KINGnabb said:

The Philadelphia Eagles are the first Team in 25 years to lose the Super Bowl and start 4-0 the following season (1998 Greenbay Packers).  Obviously the record is the Perfect Season Dolphins who lost the previous Super Bowl.  But it just puts into context that this 4-0 isn't a normal 4-0.  It's a very difficult to accomplish this after losing the Super Bowl.  It hasn't been perfect but I'm very proud they are at this point.  

Not only that...most teams after the superbowl have a very sharp decline afterwards and yet this team is undefeated.....I am proud myself at where they are.....

I don't know if this has been commented in the thread previously, but there's absolutely no way, with just 5 seconds on the clock, it is possible for a QB to take a snap, drop back whilst being pressured, throw a ball about 12 yards, the ball hit the player but fall to the ground...all in 3 seconds...physically impossible. That play should (and I am sure, did) take all 5 remaining seconds...the clock should not stop until the ball touches the ground.

To me, another example of the refs (and/or the NFL) wanting this to go to Washington, rather than have the Eagles go 4-0...but in spite of everything, a clumsy, ugly win, but a W nonetheless!

Go Eagles!!!

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

The TD pass late was audible by Hurts due to coverage he saw. It was executed perfectly if Brown doesn’t get that stupid penalty they likely have to drive 75 yards to score with no timeouts and about a minute left to score. Also over the past three weeks all I’ve been hearing is "why don’t we pass more,” "this is a passing league,” and "you gotta pass to win” garbage. Well the Eagles passed and people are still complaining. The Eagles ran the Vikings off the field and people were complaining. Truth is the Commanders did a pretty good job against the Eagles run game. As a total the Eagles averaged only 3.9 yards a carry. When you take Jalen’s contribution out of it the Eagles we’re at 3.8 yards a carry. They were not as productive on the ground against that Washington front. 

Hurts still need to understand in-game situations. 2nd & 4 with 1:43 left, tie game, Washington only had 1 time-out left. You don't throw TD pass to AJ Brown. You throw it to Swift (open) to get a first down, run out clock, and kick FG. That TD nearly cost Eagles game. Blakenship saved game with his forearm.

59 minutes ago, gameshowfan91 said:

Hurts still need to understand in-game situations. 2nd & 4 with 1:43 left, tie game, Washington only had 1 time-out left. You don't throw TD pass to AJ Brown. You throw it to Swift (open) to get a first down, run out clock, and kick FG. That TD nearly cost Eagles game. Blakenship saved game with his forearm.

Sure you do if the shot is there. Brown just needs not to gift the opposing team 15 yards. Further there's no guarantee that there would be a successful FG. Bad snap, block, bad hold anything can happen.

Just like former Phillies player Mike Schmidt said... Philadelphia- the only place where you win the game, then have the agony of reading about it the next day. 🤣

8 hours ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

Yeah true that was an audible, the penalty was total crap Brown didn't even do anything.  I've never been one of the ones that want us to pass more with this O-line and our stable of backs.  Hurts had some dangerous throws there at the end of the game that didn't even need to happen, I recall us passing on 2nd and 3 and also I believe another 2nd and 6, with a lead and just needing to run the clock out.  Offensively I just don't understand the need to take the risk and get cute there.  Just run the clock out with your monster O-line and running backs. 

Brown admitted he was in the wrong there. Passes are dangerous bud. Sometimes a quarterback has to throw the ball into tight windows and rely on his receivers to make plays. Hurts wasn’t doing that enough the first couple of weeks. He did that last season. Do you remember the Steeers game where they covered Brown with three defenders and he still scored a touchdown? That play he also got that penalty. Do I think that penalty was kind of weak? Yes I do, but it was a penalty. It was the right call. 

10 hours ago, gameshowfan91 said:

Hurts still need to understand in-game situations. 2nd & 4 with 1:43 left, tie game, Washington only had 1 time-out left. You don't throw TD pass to AJ Brown. You throw it to Swift (open) to get a first down, run out clock, and kick FG. That TD nearly cost Eagles game. Blakenship saved game with his forearm.

Anytime you have an opportunity to score, you take it in a tied game. Anything can happen on those other fictional plays that never happened. Not only can the kick miss or be blocked, penalties can change field position quickly and turnovers are still just as much a possibility on each offensive play designed to move the clock. 

Things are a little different if you already have a lead, but at that point in the game with the score tied, you need to worry about points before you worry about the clock. 

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Brown admitted he was in the wrong there. Passes are dangerous bud. Sometimes a quarterback has to throw the ball into tight windows and rely on his receivers to make plays. Hurts wasn’t doing that enough the first couple of weeks. He did that last season. Do you remember the Steeers game where they covered Brown with three defenders and he still scored a touchdown? That play he also got that penalty. Do I think that penalty was kind of weak? Yes I do, but it was a penalty. It was the right call. 

Players are going to give lip service to the media and take the blame, but he knows just like the rest of us that was a trash call.  You can't let players celebrate, talk trash and get chippy with each other all game and then call some weak BS like that.  The officiating needs to be consistent. 

"Sometimes a quarterback has to throw the ball into tight windows and rely on his receivers to make plays."  Yeah, and that time is NOT when you're up 31-24 with a few minutes left in the game.  That's when you RUN the ball with all those running backs you've got.  If our coaching staff continues that stupid crap against better teams, not even Jake Elliott will be able to save them. 

 

11 hours ago, gameshowfan91 said:

Hurts still need to understand in-game situations. 2nd & 4 with 1:43 left, tie game, Washington only had 1 time-out left. You don't throw TD pass to AJ Brown. You throw it to Swift (open) to get a first down, run out clock, and kick FG. That TD nearly cost Eagles game. Blakenship saved game with his forearm.

You don’t give up a touchdown when you can get one in a tie game. What you’re talking about is something you do if you’re winning the game and the Eagles weren’t winning. 

12 minutes ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

Players are going to give lip service to the media and take the blame, but he knows just like the rest of us that was a trash call.  You can't let players celebrate, talk trash and get chippy with each other all game and then call some weak BS like that.  The officiating needs to be consistent. 

"Sometimes a quarterback has to throw the ball into tight windows and rely on his receivers to make plays."  Yeah, and that time is NOT when you're up 31-24 with a few minutes left in the game.  That's when you RUN the ball with all those running backs you've got.  If our coaching staff continues that stupid crap against better teams, not even Jake Elliott will be able to save them. 

 

But the Eagles run game wasn’t really that effective in this game. The run game and the defense carried the team for three games. This time it was the passing game who bailed out the defense and the run game on multiple occasions. The anger seems misplaced especially since they won. 

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

Anytime you have an opportunity to score, you take it in a tied game. Anything can happen on those other fictional plays that never happened. Not only can the kick miss or be blocked, penalties can change field position quickly and turnovers are still just as much a possibility on each offensive play designed to move the clock. 

Things are a little different if you already have a lead, but at that point in the game with the score tied, you need to worry about points before you worry about the clock. 

Exactly! The Eagles we’re not winning this game. They’re forcing the opponent to score a touchdown. The defense failed to make a stop, but they did in overtime. The offense eventually got the yards for the winning field goal. The team won the game. Was it closer than we all probably wanted it to be? Sure, but they won. Good teams find a way to win these games. Bad teams find a way to lose them.

Just think people. There was a moment before this season started people wanted Justin Fields and Daniel Jones over Jalen Hurts. 😂🤣😂

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Just think people. There was a moment before this season started people wanted Justin Fields and Daniel Jones over Jalen Hurts. 😂🤣😂

Who?

 

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

Who?

 

Giants and Bears fans. Tiki Barber. James Jones. 

 

  I wouldn't be shocked if every NFC East game we play will be Dog Fight honestly.  

6 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Just think people. There was a moment before this season started people wanted Justin Fields and Daniel Jones over Jalen Hurts. 😂🤣😂

Not to fault either qb, but the Giants haven't had an OL since Eli was winning rings and the Bears have just been an inept organization. 

5 minutes ago, NJWolverEagle11 said:

Not to fault either qb, but the Giants haven't had an OL since Eli was winning rings and the Bears have just been an inept organization. 

People can argue about and compare natural talent all day long. They can make convincing arguments based on the situations being different. All of these arguments fail to accurately account for the importance of leadership. Both the giants and the bears could be in better situations if their team leaders were anything close to Hurts. Fields actually suggested being coached is hurting his game --- that mentality from a team leader is cancerous. When things are going poorly, Jones isn't firing anybody up on the sideline. Just a blank stare ... Even the head coach couldn't deal with it. 

8 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

But the Eagles run game wasn’t really that effective in this game. The run game and the defense carried the team for three games. This time it was the passing game who bailed out the defense and the run game on multiple occasions. The anger seems misplaced especially since they won. 

That's true it wasn't as effective as some earlier games.  But it's still just situational football, we didn't need huge run gains there anyway.  Worst case you send Elliott out there for a chip shot field goal that's either a walk off or maybe only give them 10-30 seconds rather than almost 2 minutes which almost came back to bite us. 

It's definitely not anger, just an observation with a little concern/frustration.  Honestly was ticked at the refs more than anything, hard to blame the defense when they gave them a huge questionable call on every single one of their scoring drives.   

1 hour ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

That's true it wasn't as effective as some earlier games.  But it's still just situational football, we didn't need huge run gains there anyway.  Worst case you send Elliott out there for a chip shot field goal that's either a walk off or maybe only give them 10-30 seconds rather than almost 2 minutes which almost came back to bite us. 

It's definitely not anger, just an observation with a little concern/frustration.  Honestly was ticked at the refs more than anything, hard to blame the defense when they gave them a huge questionable call on every single one of their scoring drives.   

Football is a game of variables. Sometimes it feels like Elliott is better at kicking 50 plus long field goals than extra points. That chip shot field goal might miss or get blocked. Then what happens if that block gets picked up and ran in for the other team to score? People are then whining "why didn’t the Eagles try and score a touchdown?” Earlier in the game the Eagles decided on theirs and long to go conservative. Gainwell fumbled and they almost lost a chance to get any points. The fans went ballistic saying "why go conservative!?!” Then the get aggressive at the end of the game and they scream "why be aggressive!?!” Seems to me there is no right answer here. People want to be mad over wins.