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Israel - Beyond Gaza

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1 minute ago, Procus said:

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Look I'm glad he's dead.  But I've seen people die in front of me, sometimes in pretty brutal fashion. It's not something I like being reminded of spontaneously. So just chill with the pics is all I'm asking. 

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1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Having a bad day Mike?

20 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Look I'm glad he's dead.  But I've seen people die in front of me, sometimes in pretty brutal fashion. It's not something I like being reminded of spontaneously. So just chill with the pics is all I'm asking. 

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Damn dude, absolutely wild response here. @mr_hunt nailed it, you truly are the final boss deplorable.

22 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

was it a school or was it another depot for Hamas operatives and weapons and they called it a "school".  

Just now, Phillyterp85 said:

was it a school or was it another depot for Hamas operatives and weapons and they called it a "school".  

Unfortunately probably a bit of both. 

20 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

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Damn dude, absolutely wild response here. @mr_hunt nailed it, you truly are the final boss deplorable.

He adds zero to any forum he is a part of.  I am pretty sure he is retarded, so maybe we just give him some slack and ignore him.

5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Unfortunately probably a bit of both. 

No, it depends on what your agenda is

*someone says they'd rather not see graphic photos of dead people*

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37 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

No, it depends on what your agenda is

Sure, by examples of an agenda, do you mean someone posting a video of secondary explosions from stored munitions and claiming it's a video of bombs being dropped?  Or someone spreading fake news claiming that Israel dropped a bomb on a hospital that killed 500 people, only for it to turn out in reality it was a Hamas rocket that landed in the parking lot of a hospital?  Or someone posting x-ray pictures claiming that they show executed Palestinian children, and the bullet in the skull is the proof, only for it to turn out to clearly be fake photos?  Agendas like that?

Hey while your here, maybe you can finally show me 1 single time I've made up my own statistics? 

3 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Sure, by examples of an agenda, do you mean someone posting a video of secondary explosions from stored munitions and claiming it's a video of bombs being dropped?  Or someone spreading fake news claiming that Israel dropped a bomb on a hospital that killed 500 people, only for it to turn out in reality it was a Hamas rocket that landed in the parking lot of a hospital?  Or someone posting x-ray pictures claiming that they show executed Palestinian children, and the bullet in the skull is the proof, only for it to turn out to clearly be fake photos?  Agendas like that?

Hey while your here, maybe you can finally show me 1 single time I've made up my own statistics? 

Post your source material and I’ll tell you.  You’re making this harder than it needs to be.

:roll:

 

This guy has been surprisingly excellent.

 

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This guy has been surprisingly excellent.

 

With Amash and Kinzinger out, I think it's Fetterman now who I find myself agreeing with more often than anyone else in Congress. He's almost making me feel bad for all those Kuato jokes. Almost.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

With Amash and Kinzinger out, I think it's Fetterman now who I find myself agreeing with more often than anyone else in Congress. He's almost making me feel bad for all those Kuato jokes. Almost.

I had a really bad hemorrhoid I named Kuato.

1 minute ago, Arthur Jackson said:

I had a really bad hemorrhoid I named Kuato.

Did it ever ask you to open your mind?

22 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Post your source material and I’ll tell you.  You’re making this harder than it needs to be.

I already did that 2 days ago. So no, I'm not making it any harder than it needs to be. You keep failing to prove your claim though. Maybe you're the one with the agenda?

 You claimed I was using numbers that the IDF would be embarrassed to use.  I then posted directly from the IDF from this summer claiming that 17,000 Hamas combatants have been killed.  So if you take the IDFs figure of 17,000 Hamas casualties, and Hamas' figure of 40,000 total casualties from that same time, that would be a civilian to combatant casualty ratio of 1.35:1.   So when I say estimated 2:1 civilian to combatant casualty ratio, that's actually more conservative of a figure than what the IDF claims. 

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Did it ever ask you to open your mind?

Who has time for that. I have 5 kids to feed.

I feel personally responsible for the Israel thread's "Agenda" donnybrook of 2024.

Sorry everyone :meh:

14 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This guy has been surprisingly excellent.

 

Honestly I think he just DGAF and sticks to his guns, which is refreshing. 

Not so much that he DGAF and sticks to his guns, but that he isn't a raging POS while doing so.

 

34 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Post your source material and I’ll tell you.  You’re making this harder than it needs to be.

And some more sources:

Back in January, US Intelligence estimated that the IDF had killed 20-30% of Hamas combatants.  Hamas is estimated to have had 30,000 members at the start of the war. So 20-30% would be 6,000 to 9,000 casualties. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-said-to-believe-israel-killed-just-20-30-of-hamas-terrorists-in-gaza-fighting/

Back in January, Hamas claimed the total death toll was 25,000.  So using the US intel number of combatant casualties and the Hamas number of total casualties, that would put the civilian to combatant ratio somewhere between 1.8:1 and 3.2:1. 

And again, this is using the Hamas total death figure, which has been shown to be very flawed, and at times seemingly made up. 

So are you going to finally answer my question and give me an example of where I have made up my own statistics?  Or just come back 2 days later and make up another false claim that I haven't posted sources.....

42 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

And some more sources:

Back in January, US Intelligence estimated that the IDF had killed 20-30% of Hamas combatants.  Hamas is estimated to have had 30,000 members at the start of the war. So 20-30% would be 6,000 to 9,000 casualties. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-said-to-believe-israel-killed-just-20-30-of-hamas-terrorists-in-gaza-fighting/

Back in January, Hamas claimed the total death toll was 25,000.  So using the US intel number of combatant casualties and the Hamas number of total casualties, that would put the civilian to combatant ratio somewhere between 1.8:1 and 3.2:1. 

And again, this is using the Hamas total death figure, which has been shown to be very flawed, and at times seemingly made up. 

So are you going to finally answer my question and give me an example of where I have made up my own statistics?  Or just come back 2 days later and make up another false claim that I haven't posted sources.....

So your only source is the IDF numbers?

1 hour ago, Dave Moss said:

So your only source is the IDF numbers?

No.  My source is IDF numbers, US Intel numbers, and Hamas numbers.  This was all laid out for you pretty clearly.  Is this one of those things where you fully accept the Hamas numbers but don’t accept IDF and US Intel numbers?  That would be a pretty interesting way to look at things….
Nice move of the goalposts too.  So you went from "you use made up statistics” to "ok so you have sources for your statistics, but I don’t like one of them!”

And care to back up your claim that I make up my own statistics?  Or were you lying when you said that?

Me: If you take IDF's data on Hamas combatant casualty numbers, US intel's data on Hamas combatant casualty numbers, and Hamas' data on total casualties, you get a range of civilian to combatant casualty ratios.

Dave: So your only source is the IDF numbers? 

I certainly hope you use better reading comprehension and logic while educating our youth. 

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