12 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I just showed that it does not very clearly mean one thing, but Hamas has done a fine job of making people think that it does.

It very clearly means the end of the state of Israel in any case just as your article shows.  Some, including the current government of Gaza and the most powerful group within the Palestinian people, openly state what it means to them.  Also, the majority of people of Jewish decent also have a pretty clear understanding of how they interpret it.

I agree there are plenty of activists in the US/UK/etc. that use the phrase to promote peace and equal rights for all.  That much is true.  However, even with that usage they are clearly 100% calling for the end of the state of Israel.

13 minutes ago, paco said:

 

 

 

Hamas kills IDF combat dog in Gaza and rigs its body to kill troops

10 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

It very clearly means the end of the state of Israel in any case just as your article shows.  Some, including the current government of Gaza and the most powerful group within the Palestinian people, openly state what it means to them.  Also, the majority of people of Jewish decent also have a pretty clear understanding of how they interpret it.

I agree there are plenty of activists in the US/UK/etc. that use the phrase to promote peace and equal rights for all.  That much is true.  However, even with that usage they are clearly 100% calling for the end of the state of Israel.

I do think the expression is way too fraught with aggressive undertones to be received positively. It's incendiary and counterproductive for anyone trying to elicit sympathy for the Palestinians. I was just trying to offer some perspective to it beyond the notion that, because Palestinians and their sympathizers broadly use it, that it means they are broadly terroristic.

6 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I do think the expression is way too fraught with aggressive undertones to be received positively. It's incendiary and counterproductive for anyone trying to elicit sympathy for the Palestinians. I was just trying to offer some perspective to it beyond the notion that, because Palestinians and their sympathizers broadly use it, that it means they are broadly terroristic.

I'm pretty sure that a large majority of Palestinians know precisely how it is interpreted by Jewish people.  On the other hand, I'm quite sure that many of the students protesting at US universities have no idea what they are actually supporting when they chant that phrase.

Israeli strike kills at least 33 people at a Gaza school the military claims was being used by Hamas

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DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — An Israeli strike early Thursday on a school sheltering displaced Palestinians in central Gaza killed more than 30 people, including 23 women and children, according to local health officials. The Israeli military said that Hamas militants were operating from within the school.

It was the latest instance of mass casualties among Palestinians trying to find refuge as Israel expands its offensive. A day earlier, the military announced a new ground and air assault in central Gaza, pursuing Hamas militants it says have regrouped there. Troops repeatedly have swept back into parts of the Gaza Strip they have previously invaded, underscoring the resilience of the militant group despite Israel’s nearly eight-month onslaught.

Witnesses and hospital officials said the predawn strike hit the al-Sardi School, run by the United Nations agency for Palestinian refugees known by the acronym UNRWA. The school was filled with Palestinians who had fled Israeli operations and bombardment in northern Gaza, they said.

Ayman Rashed, a man displaced from Gaza City who was sheltering at the school, said the missiles hit classrooms on the second and third floor where families were sheltering. He said he helped carry out five dead, including an old man and two children, one with his head shattered open. "It was dark, with no electricity, and we struggled to get out the victims,” Rashed said.

Casualties from school strike arrived at the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in nearby Deir al-Balah, which had already been overwhelmed by a stream of constant ambulances since the central Gaza incursion began 24 hours earlier, said Omar al-Derawi, a photographer working for the hospital.

Videos circulating online appeared to show several wounded people being treated on the floor of the hospital, a common scene in Gaza’s overwhelmed medical wards. Electricity in much of the hospital is out because staff are rationing fuel supplies for the generator.

"You can’t walk in the hospital — there’s so many people. Women from the victims’ families are massed in the hallways, crying,” he said.

Hospital records and an Associated Press reporter at the hospital recorded at least 33 dead from the strike, including 14 children and nine women. Another strike on a house overnight killed six people, according to the records. Both strikes occurred in Nuseirat, one of several built-up refugee camps in Gaza dating to the 1948 war surrounding Israel’s creation, when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled or were driven from their homes in what became the new state.

Footage showed bodies wrapped in blankets or plastic bags being laid out in lines in the courtyard of the hospital. Mohammed al-Kareem, a displaced Palestinian sheltering near the hospital, said he saw people searching for their loved ones among bodies, and that one woman kept asking medical workers to open the wraps on the bodies to see if her son was inside.

"The situation is tragic,” he said.

Philippe Lazzarini, the commissioner-general of UNRWA, said in a post on X that 6,000 people were sheltering in the school when it was hit without prior warning. He said UNRWA was unable to verify claims that armed groups were inside.

An Israeli military spokesman, Lt. Col. Peter Lerner, said that the army wasn’t aware of any civilian casualties in the strike. He said that intelligence indicated that militants had used the school compound to orchestrate some of the attacks on Oct. 7 and that at least 20 militants there were using it currently as a "staging realm” to launch attacks on Israeli soldiers. The military gave no evidence for its claims and released a photo of the school, pointing to classrooms on the second and third floor where it claimed militants were located.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-6-6-2024-3d07e712f8abc1e08339163180823fb8?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=share

I pretty much posed this exact scenario a few weeks ago. If this was in the United States, and some domestic terrorists were reported to be holed up in a public school, along with dozens of schoolchildren, I'm guessing most in here would be ok with bombing the school.

7 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

@Arthur Jackson do you deny or confirm this assertion?

I have to admit... I did take a peek...

2 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

you have a real sense of history about this after consulting your bible.

im not religious, but i recognize one of the real issues at hand, professor. 

Just to remind the geniuses in here claiming Israel doesn't want a ceasefire:

- Israel has released twice as many prisoners, who are actually in jail for crimes, as hostages received. 

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Israel released 240 Palestinian prisoners, 107 of whom were between 14 and 17 years old, and three-quarters of whom had not been convicted of a crime, although some were awaiting trial in a military court.^[1] In exchange, Hamas released 105 civilians, which included 81 people from Israel, 23 Thais and one Filipino.

 

- They have offered to exchange hundreds more for the remaining hostages, many of whom are likely dead

So they are disproportionately releasing people they view as criminals in exchange for hostages and offering a pause in hostilities, but yeah...they are the unreasonable ones who don't want a ceasefire. 

i think some need to realize that real war isn't like watching tropic thunder.  

 

it's ugly, it's destructive and it always ends up with too many innocent people dying. 

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

i think some need to realize that real war isn't like watching tropic thunder.  

On the couch in my underwear after a few edibles?

Just now, paco said:

On the couch in my underwear?

pics? 

7 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

pics? 

The one @mr_hunt did of me making chilli is no more, so this is the best I got:

 

On 11/21/2023 at 9:49 AM, Shepard Wong said:

Poor Bink

 

 

4 minutes ago, paco said:

The one @mr_hunt did of me making chilli is no more, so this is the best I got:

 

 

nice, i see RTK's graphics skills are getting better. 

1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

pics? 

Word on the street is that his cornhole is as chalky white as the gleaming cliffs of Dover on a summer morn.

1 minute ago, Arthur Jackson said:

Word on the street is that his cornhole is as chalky white as the gleaming cliffs of Dover on a summer morn.

i heard his bunghole could swallow the moon whole. 

 

but then @EagleVAproved that claim to be impossible. 

12 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Nothing to see here, folks.

Your point?  Yes, aholes exist everywhere.  

7 hours ago, Arthur Jackson said:

Word on the street is that his cornhole is as chalky white as the gleaming cliffs of Dover on a summer morn.

 

7 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

i heard his bunghole could swallow the moon whole. 

 

but then @EagleVAproved that claim to be impossible. 

 

1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Your point?  Yes, aholes exist everywhere.  

 

10 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I pretty much posed this exact scenario a few weeks ago. If this was in the United States, and some domestic terrorists were reported to be holed up in a public school, along with dozens of schoolchildren, I'm guessing most in here would be ok with bombing the school.

are the teachers there too?

2 hours ago, Arthur Jackson said:

are the teachers there too?

Nah, it’s a school with no teachers 

18 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Just to remind the geniuses in here claiming Israel doesn't want a ceasefire:

- Israel has released twice as many prisoners, who are actually in jail for crimes, as hostages received. 

- They have offered to exchange hundreds more for the remaining hostages, many of whom are likely dead

So they are disproportionately releasing people they view as criminals in exchange for hostages and offering a pause in hostilities, but yeah...they are the unreasonable ones who don't want a ceasefire. 

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"I know there are those in Israel who will not agree with this plan and will call for the war to continue indefinitely. Some are even in the government coalition. They've made it clear: They want to occupy Gaza. They want to keep fighting for years and hostages are not a priority for them. Well, I've urged leadership in Israel to stand behind this deal, despite whatever pressure comes," Mr. Biden said.

 

10 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Your point?  Yes, aholes exist everywhere.  

The cognitive dissonance is so strong here. First it's "Only one side wants to wipe the other off the map." Then, when shown evidence to the contrary, it's "Yeah, well, there are aholes everywhere."

Wait for it...

 

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

The cognitive dissonance is so strong here. First it's "Only one side wants to wipe the other off the map." Then, when shown evidence to the contrary, it's "Yeah, well, there are aholes everywhere."

Yes there are knuckleheads everywhere.  However, Hamas openly calls for the end of Israel and the death of Jews while the Israel govt only calls for the elimination of Hamas.  Do you see the difference?  How is this hard to understand?

35 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

The cognitive dissonance is so strong here. First it's "Only one side wants to wipe the other off the map." Then, when shown evidence to the contrary, it's "Yeah, well, there are aholes everywhere."

Wait for it...

 

 

 

 

 

Dude, you've ignored as many if not more posts directed to you than anyone else here and you're crying cognitive dissonance?   JFC