37 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Siri's literally said this in several press conferences. 

Link please?  

21 minutes ago, Swimm said:

 

Hmm yeah that last one was totally bizarre. Now being able to see the replay it looks like Hurts totally bailed from a clean pocket for no reason at all. 

He is obviously seeing ghosts and has very little faith in oline. I think he is also focused on not getting sacked.

Again, thats not all on Hurts and can be blamed on the playcalling. Its 3rd and 8 gotta give your QB some options to get the ball out quickly?

Actually my guess on what happened on that play was...the original call was another dumb designed QB run..but Hurts saw there was a defender in front and he was not going to get the first down so he started improvising...

40 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

Link please?  

5 links below.

On 12/13/2023 at 11:08 AM, NOTW said:

Siri in his press conferences has said several times that they aren't "missing reads" for open receivers, that it's play design. 

In yesterday's PC he laughed at a question about targeting other receivers besides the top 3 (Brown, Smith, Goedert).  He said "what other guys" smugly.  He said the offense runs through those 3 guys, they purposely don't have reads to go to other receivers so it's not a read, it's the plan. 

Last year other receivers had more targets and targets to Brown and Smith were closer.  This year Brown has way more targets than Smitty, and very minimal targets to other receivers and RBs this year.  

So does that answer that Hurts isn't missing reads, it's the design and what he's told to do? 

This PC last week after the Cowboys game, 30 seconds in.  In prior press conferences he's answered questions about Hurts missing reads and said that he's coached on the plays which receivers to target, and that there isn't time to look for every receiver that he has specific reads he's coached to look at.  I've posted about it for weeks as I've watched the press conferences.  I had to scroll through the below YouTube channel to find this one, there are previous ones where he's said it.  You can argue that the coach is covering for Hurts, but he's said several times they design plays this way specifically.

In this clip he smugly laughs and says "what other guys?" when asked about spreading the ball around to the other guys. 

Press conference video posted below, and links to articles discussing it.

 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/philadelphia-eagles-coach-nick-sirianni-targeting-three-players-dallas-cowboys-by-design#:~:text=Philadelphia Eagles coach Nick Sirianni said the plan all along,anyone behind those players%2C either.

https://sports.yahoo.com/hurts-only-targeting-three-players-050204199.html

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/sirianni-unbothered-by-extreme-target-share-vs-cowboys/552071/

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/yeah-nick-sirianni-hears-your-criticism-and-hes-not-ignoring-it/552581/

 

I found this on The Philly Talk Podcast from Honest NFL, that I 1000% agree with;

 

3 hours ago, Teamellis said:

I don’t understand why Hurts leaves the pocket before he is even pressured. 

Coaching and play design?  I don't understand why Hurts has so many plays where he stands in the pocket and delivers accurate passes but you guys never talk about that, only the bad plays.

19 minutes ago, NOTW said:

5 links below.

This PC last week after the Cowboys game, 30 seconds in.  In prior press conferences he's answered questions about Hurts missing reads and said that he's coached on the plays which receivers to target, and that there isn't time to look for every receiver that he has specific reads he's coached to look at.  I've posted about it for weeks as I've watched the press conferences.  I had to scroll through the below YouTube channel to find this one, there are previous ones where he's said it.  You can argue that the coach is covering for Hurts, but he's said several times they design plays this way specifically.

In this clip he smugly laughs and says "what other guys?" when asked about spreading the ball around to the other guys. 

Press conference video posted below, and links to articles discussing it.

 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/philadelphia-eagles-coach-nick-sirianni-targeting-three-players-dallas-cowboys-by-design#:~:text=Philadelphia Eagles coach Nick Sirianni said the plan all along,anyone behind those players%2C either.

https://sports.yahoo.com/hurts-only-targeting-three-players-050204199.html

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/sirianni-unbothered-by-extreme-target-share-vs-cowboys/552071/

https://www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/yeah-nick-sirianni-hears-your-criticism-and-hes-not-ignoring-it/552581/

I don’t infer that Hurts was ordered to throw the ball specifically to a certain player at all from any of this.  Siri is definitely deflecting some of the arrows fired at Hurts (as a HC is supposed to do). Every offense has three main guys that the offense is designed to run through…SF: CMC, Deebo and Kittle.  Dallas: Lamb, Ferguson and Pollard.  KC: Kelce, Kelce and Kelce.  This is pretty common sense across the league.  
 

On any given play AJ, Smith and Goedert are 60 - 75 percent of the receivers on a route, so this idea that he is targeting 3 guys would logically and mathematically make sense anyway.  They are the three primary targets as those would be the 3 primary targets in a lot of systems.  
 

Good QB play is recognizing when a play is there and when it isn’t.  Hurts isn’t doing that well.  He missed Devonta on a wide open crosser on his deep INT forced to Quez (and Quez ISN’T one of the 3 so it blows the theory out of the water).  He also missed Goedert wide open on the INT to Brown.  And none of this even points to how he is making bad decisions on RPO’s when he is keeping and handing off the rock.  
 

At some point, we have to look at the players instead of blaming the coaches.  It’s eerily similar to Wentz. Similar issues, similar excuses.  But Wentz arguably didn’t have the skill players Hurts has. 

14 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Coaching and play design?  I don't understand why Hurts has so many plays where he stands in the pocket and delivers accurate passes but you guys never talk about that, only the bad plays.

Present 5 plays from the last 3 games where he's done that. Just 5 out of 3 entire games.

1 minute ago, RunItBAck said:

Present 5 plays from the last 3 games where he's done that. Just 5 out of 3 entire games.

Come on man, honesty goes a long way.  From what I see, Hurts accuracy has improved but his seeing the field hasn't, this is something that the coaches need to emphasize, as I've said before and got shot down for saying it, Brown and Smith.

That elementary HS stuff ain't gonna cut it, he should to know every route available on every pass play and go through his progressions until he finds someone open, don't throw it to Brown or Smith if they're not open. 

This is all about repetitions in practice but form what I hear is they don't practice worth a damn, I doubt he knows every route on every pass play, just two, or maybe even one, it seems as though his targets are predetermined when they break the huddle.

7 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

Come on man, honesty goes a long way.  From what I see, Hurts accuracy has improved but his seeing the field hasn't, this is something that the coaches need to emphasize, as I've said before and got shot down for saying it, Brown and Smith.

That elementary HS stuff ain't gonna cut it, he should to know every route available on every pass play and go through his progressions until he finds someone open, don't throw it to Brown or Smith if they're not open. 

This is all about repetitions in practice but form what I hear is they don't practice worth a damn, I doubt he knows every route on every pass play, just two, or maybe even one, it seems as though his targets are predetermined when they break the huddle.

right and that's the problem...do you ever see Hurts audible into a play or being that field general that moves his guys around or signals to them? 

35 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

I don’t infer that Hurts was ordered to throw the ball specifically to a certain player at all from any of this.  Siri is definitely deflecting some of the arrows fired at Hurts (as a HC is supposed to do). Every offense has three main guys that the offense is designed to run through…SF: CMC, Deebo and Kittle.  Dallas: Lamb, Ferguson and Pollard.  KC: Kelce, Kelce and Kelce.  This is pretty common sense across the league.  
 

On any given play AJ, Smith and Goedert are 60 - 75 percent of the receivers on a route, so this idea that he is targeting 3 guys would logically and mathematically make sense anyway.  They are the three primary targets as those would be the 3 primary targets in a lot of systems.  
 

Good QB play is recognizing when a play is there and when it isn’t.  Hurts isn’t doing that well.  He missed Devonta on a wide open crosser on his deep INT forced to Quez (and Quez ISN’T one of the 3 so it blows the theory out of the water).  He also missed Goedert wide open on the INT to Brown.  And none of this even points to how he is making bad decisions on RPO’s when he is keeping and handing off the rock.  
 

At some point, we have to look at the players instead of blaming the coaches.  It’s eerily similar to Wentz. Similar issues, similar excuses.  But Wentz arguably didn’t have the skill players Hurts has. 

Of course every offense primarily throws to their top 2 or 3 guys.  The complaint is the Eagles don't get other guys involved enough, and Siri said that's by design. He's said it multiple times if you want to go through his prior press conferences.  He also specifically in one of them said there is not enough time to go through every read and see every receiving option.  I don't put the blame solely on the coaches, but it's both.  Clearly the play calling and design is worse this year, that's not Hurts fault.  Everyone knows Steichen was better than Brian Johnson.  And clearly Hurts hasn't made good decisions enough this year like last year.  He's increased turnovers and forced throws.  I also blame Hurts.

But you guys rant on and on about how bad Hurts is and don't ever acknowledge the good things he does.  He does make reads, he does find open receivers, he stands in the pocket and delivers accurate passes, he throws through tight windows with accuracy.  If you can't ever acknowledge the good things, and dismiss any evidence you don't like and everything is completely negative that's irrational and illogical.  There are problems with the offense. Part of it is Hurts, part of it is coaching.

3 hours ago, RunItBAck said:

Present 5 plays from the last 3 games where he's done that. Just 5 out of 3 entire games.

Here are 8 as examples.  There are more (before you say "oh only 8, there should be more").  Watch the damn games or highlights.

But it's a waste of time. You know damn well if you watch the games he stands in the pocket and makes throws.  You only talk about the negative plays. And I know this was a waste of time because you're not even going to open the links and watch them.  You're not going to say "you're right, he made throws from the pocket."  You will ignore the evidence presented that proves you're wrong, make some excuse or say something else negative. 

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlight-eagles-seahawks-jalen-hurts-zips-completion-to-dallas-goedert-on-third

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlights-49ers-eagles-jalen-hurts-and-aj-brown-connect-for-38-yard-gain

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlights-49ers-eagles-jalen-hurts-connection-with-aj-brown-17-yard-pickup

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlight-eagles-cowboys-jalen-hurts-lofts-24-yard-dime-to-aj-brown

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlight-jalen-hurts-stands-firm-in-pocket-for-13-yard-strike-to-dallas-goedert

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlight-qb-jalen-hurts-rips-pass-to-te-dallas-goedert-over-the-middle-for-21-y

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlight-jalen-hurts-launches-go-ahead-28-yard-td-pass-to-a-j-brown-in-fourth-q

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video/highlight-eagles-chiefs-jalen-hurts-13-yard-dime-pinpoints-devonta-smith

 

 

1 hour ago, RunItBAck said:

Present 5 plays from the last 3 games where he's done that. Just 5 out of 3 entire games.

I just remembered, you're the same guy in the blog that demanded "3 teams, matter fact give me 1" examples and when you were given more than 5, you moved the goal post and changed the subject.  

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Coaching and play design?  I don't understand why Hurts has so many plays where he stands in the pocket and delivers accurate passes but you guys never talk about that, only the bad plays.

It's recency bias, it was no different with McNabb, but there are some fans around here that are obsessed just sitting around waiting for Hurts to fail. 

I think most of these people are just miserable, hate life and spew toxicity. Hurts is worthy of criticism just like any other player, but the piling on and crap takes are unwarranted. 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Of course every offense primarily throws to their top 2 or 3 guys.  The complaint is the Eagles don't get other guys involved enough, and Siri said that's by design. He's said it multiple times if you want to go through his prior press conferences.  He also specifically in one of them said there is not enough time to go through every read and see every receiving option.  I don't put the blame solely on the coaches, but it's both.  Clearly the play calling and design is worse this year, that's not Hurts fault.  Everyone knows Steichen was better than Brian Johnson.  And clearly Hurts hasn't made good decisions enough this year like last year.  He's increased turnovers and forced throws.  I also blame Hurts.

But you guys rant on and on about how bad Hurts is and don't ever acknowledge the good things he does.  He does make reads, he does find open receivers, he stands in the pocket and delivers accurate passes, he throws through tight windows with accuracy.  If you can't ever acknowledge the good things, and dismiss any evidence you don't like and everything is completely negative that's irrational and illogical.  There are problems with the offense. Part of it is Hurts, part of it is coaching.

I’ve acknowledged the good plays.  Well documented on here going back to 2 years ago.  
 

Hurts has regressed and is holding the offense back.  He is the highest paid employee in the building.  Brian Johnson makes 1/50 what Hurts makes.  Rent is due, Jalen….rent is due 

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

Coaching and play design?  I don't understand why Hurts has so many plays where he stands in the pocket and delivers accurate passes but you guys never talk about that, only the bad plays.

Because sadly they are a lot less common this year vs him missing throws, staring people down, turning the damn ball over, or right away running out of the pocket. Also, when he plays hero ball and f's things up as much as he has lately nobody gives a f when he actually plays QB on one or two plays here and there because they aren't turning into TD often. He literally cost them the game last night the same way he literally lost them the Jets game. Last night was worse because he only needed 15 yards with two TO. 

Honestly, what a stupid POS on that last pick. Jake doesn't need that many freaking yards. With 12 seconds to go get a fast pass or run for a few more and call a quick TO. Chucking up a beach ball into double coverage was beyond stupid. 

46 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Because sadly they are a lot less common this year vs him missing throws, staring people down, turning the damn ball over, or right away running out of the pocket. Also, when he plays hero ball and f's things up as much as he has lately nobody gives a f when he actually plays QB on one or two plays here and there because they aren't turning into TD often. He literally cost them the game last night the same way he literally lost them the Jets game. Last night was worse because he only needed 15 yards with two TO. 

Honestly, what a stupid POS on that last pick. Jake doesn't need that many freaking yards. With 12 seconds to go get a fast pass or run for a few more and call a quick TO. Chucking up a beach ball into double coverage was beyond stupid. 

Hero ball...Hurts didn't want to be outshined by Drew Lock, but it happened anyway.

4 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

Hero ball...Hurts didn't want to be outshined by Drew Lock, but it happened anyway.

It's a stupid mindset but probably one Nick shares as well. 

The more I come back to this post, the more real it gets.

8 hours ago, VeeMak said:

Just out of curiosity, are you on the sideline when they are commanding Hurts to force the ball to a given receiver on a certain play?  
 

This is just desperate excuse making for Hurts.  Bottom line, he stinks this season.  He doesn’t process a defense quickly, bails out of the pocket too quickly and is forcing a lot of throws down field without taking what the defense gives him too quickly. 
 

You keep throwing up the stat that Aikman floated out last night about his completion percentage from the pocket.  If that’s the case, then Jalen is either dumb or stubborn.  If he is more successful in the pocket, then he should hang in longer and quit bailing so often.  This is seriously stating to sound EXACTLY like Wentz. That was the knock on him too. 

This is how I see it, you're 100% correct that Hurts only sees basically 2 receivers and forces the ball to them, no question about that.  What you have to question is why hasn't the coaching staff addressed it, I mean any coach worth a damn would surely correct that stupidity.  Because it hasn't been addressed the only conclusion one can come to is coaching staff must be onboard with it.  So one would question why would the coaching staff be onboard with stupidity, well, it seems as though the football ignorant owner wants a passing offense, so you have a bunch of yes men following orders that are mandated from the top.

There is no processing a defense with Hurts, again, one has to ask why hasn't the coaching staff addressed it, he's been behind center 3 years not and it's been the same damn thing all 3 years.  Apparently the coaching staff is onboard with the stupidity.  As far as bailing too quickly, you're batting .1000, that's the damnest damn thing I've ever seen, dude actually runs into pressure.

I agree with Aikman, Hurts' accuracy seem to have improved to me but the decision to limit your targets to 2 receivers is about the worst decision EVER!!  I've been saying for the past 2 year, dude doesn't spread the ball around enough, of course I get lambasted every time I post that FACT, one has to wonder what the fans are seeing.

I disagree with the idea that Hurts is having a stinky season, it hasn't been on that level, otherwise, good post.

10 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

. With 12 seconds to go get a fast pass or run for a few more and call a quick TO

Had Gainwell wide open with no one in sight. He was getting at least 10-15 yards.

I'm not sure whats going on with hurts and the offense.  is it the coordinator who is the problem, is it hurts, maybe both.   Hurts does have success throwing the ball, and then other times he does struggle finding the open guy.  it seems if the first read is open the play is a success.  if not he has trouble going thru progressions in the pocket and then just bails out of the pocket whether there is pressure or not.  he doesn't seem comfortable throwing to the 2nd, 3rd, or later options on any play.  why?  I don't know, but if he can't figure that out we are in big trouble and possibly wasted another few years on the wrong QB.  

14 hours ago, Birdman said:

It's recency bias, it was no different with McNabb, but there are some fans around here that are obsessed just sitting around waiting for Hurts to fail. 

I think most of these people are just miserable, hate life and spew toxicity. Hurts is worthy of criticism just like any other player, but the piling on and crap takes are unwarranted. 

This has happened with every Eagles quarterback I can remember playing. Even Kevin Kolb had to put up with this kind of garbage. Jokes aside, it does feel like there is always a chunk of this fanbase who want the next QB to step in, while neglecting the fact that what we have is pretty good. It´s like there´s a prime Drew Brees always waiting in the wings to take their shot

Bring back Frank Reich this off season and it gets better. I think Hurts would thrive under that offense and snap him out of his funk.

2 hours ago, DieselEagle said:

I'm not sure whats going on with hurts and the offense.  is it the coordinator who is the problem, is it hurts, maybe both.   Hurts does have success throwing the ball, and then other times he does struggle finding the open guy.  it seems if the first read is open the play is a success.  if not he has trouble going thru progressions in the pocket and then just bails out of the pocket whether there is pressure or not.  he doesn't seem comfortable throwing to the 2nd, 3rd, or later options on any play.  why?  I don't know, but if he can't figure that out we are in big trouble and possibly wasted another few years on the wrong QB.  

It seems it's a mix of everything.  Hurts improved so much last year and everyone was impressed, even those who really doubted him saw him improve as a passer and decision maker last year.  He's regressed this year, so has the play design and play calling.  Pretty much everyone agrees BJ is a major cause.  Sometimes it's the right formula.  Even last year early, Siri was calling plays and the offense wasn't as efficient, then Steichen took over and they started running the ball more and improving scoring.

This year it seems at times you look at Hurts in the pocket and he IS making reads, he's looking around the field but seems unsure.  I wasn't sure if he didn't trust the play calls or what was going on. We can see that BJ's offense is predictable and there's no creativity.  They're forcing throws to AJ and trying deep bombs downfield instead of any easy/quick slants or short passes and effective RB screens.  On top of that, they only want to target their top 3 and not spread the ball around.  When Goedert is out, they don't even throw to a TE.  They don't care that their backup TEs are only for run blocking and special teams.  

Another part is the O line has actually been bad in pass blocking at times.  There are times Hurts has great protection and is standing in the pocket, making reads and accurate throws (despite some who refuse to admit that).  Then there are times the pocket collapses immediately.  The O line is great at run blocking - which they don't run enough running plays to the RBs - and they've been a mixed bag in pass blocking.  Some of that is designed roll outs, some of that Hurts sees something that he leaves the pocket, other times I think he's trying to move around to hope that the defense focuses on him and AJ or Smitty get open.  

Coaching and play calling are a big factor because if they were calling good plays with good play design and the QB were simply not executing that would be more obvious and we could blame Hurts.  When the play design and calls are vanilla and predictable, and Hurts is also regressing then it's a bad recipe.  They were stronger with Steichen, Hurts benefited from him being the OC for a 2nd year in a row which was the first time in his career he had that consistency.  

They made the move at DC, they need to do something at OC.  At least bring in Reich as a consultant to see if it helps.