Hate to say it…. Hurts got paid. He’s done

[Miami]

If Siri returns next year, he is going to be on the clock and job #1 will be getting Hurts going again, with likely no BJ around to coddle Hurts' feelings.  All business.  Am hoping this all works out because the Eagles were unwatchable at times this year.

[eaglesfan0075]

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

FTR I take all "reports” with a grain of salt (including this one).

They need to ask the hard hitting questions, like how many teammates showed up to his birthday party?

[brkmsn]

4 hours ago, time2rock said:

FTR I take all "reports” with a grain of salt (including this one).

I've seen that Mad Lib before. Last time, the words filled in were:

QB --- Wentz

A large amount of money --- $128 million

Leading receiver --- TE Zach Ertz

 

Seriously, it's the exact same "report."

[NOTW]

8 hours ago, time2rock said:

FTR I take all "reports” with a grain of salt (including this one).

 

7 hours ago, NOTW said:

The original tweet had this link with the details:

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2024/1/21/24046208/eagles-historic-collapse-2023-nfl-jalen-hurts-nick-sirianni-matt-patricia-howie-roseman-sources-bgn

If these are true, what these teammates are saying:

• He's stoic, isolated and detached, doesn't attend social functions with them. 
• His agency made him do a lot of promotions after the Super Bowl for commercials, magazine covers, etc. that he would rather be practicing and working out
• He was less accessible to the media to do interviews
• He lets AJ Brown take more vocal leadership who has a great reputation with his teammates (funny, there's been an opposite narrative that AJ Brown is a bad teammate. Which "sources" to believe?!)
• He doesn't ask for help, if he's knocked down he picks himself back up, he wants to do things on his own.
• They also pointed out how he's not bad like Wentz (the other guy) was. That he's "a good dude."

The link exaggerates some plays and suggests Hurts teammates don't defend him when he got hit on a brotherly shove play and the Giants player went offsides. It's a dumb stretch, first of all Gainwell is shown getting right in the Giants players face. 

Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, Kobe Bryant...they called those guys stoic and not enough socializing with teammates and they were champions. McNabb laughed and joked all the time and fans complained he should be more focused and serious. 

When the team was winning, all these traits about Hurts were celebrated: he's stoic, he has ice in his veins, he's locked in and focused, he's not celebrating regular season wins he's focused on a championship. This was all celebrated. Now it's drama.

Anyway, if you take those bullet points above that are used to create a negative story about Hurts, you can also spin them positive:

• Stoic, doesn't attend social functions: focused, all business
• Doesn't want to do all the publicity and would rather be practicing and working out: good, he wants to focus on football
• He was less accessible to the media to do interviews: good, F the media, focus on football
• He lets AJ Brown take more vocal leadership: Hurts is seen in many videos in locker room, pre-game and sideline hyping up the guys and being vocal so this isn't even true, but also conflicts with the "sources" saying AJ Brown is a bad teammate. Even so, if some guys want more "rah rah" from Hurts and he's more stoic and about business, so what? 
• He doesn't ask for help, if he's knocked down he picks himself back up, he wants to do things on his own: you would think fans would like that. If we were asking for help, fans would call him weak. There's always something to complain about.
• They also pointed out how he's not bad like Wentz (the other guy) was. That he's "a good dude.": these all sound like nitpicking and spin. When they're winning you never hear these complaints.

 

[NOTW]

23 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"He’s humble on the outside and in what he says, but on the inside he’s a f–king killer,” Eagles center Jason Kelce told The Post on Wednesday. "The best guys that I’ve ever been around, all these guys have the confidence, but they’re humble enough to gain the respect of their peers around them … but in their head, they’re killers.”

"He’s had great intangibles since the moment he got here,” Kelce said. "That’s one of the reasons he’s improved and gotten to this high caliber so quickly. He’s a coach’s son, his brother’s a coach, so he’s been very ingrained in football culture being a leader his whole life."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hear from those that actually know him.

[Traveler Vic]

9 hours ago, time2rock said:

FTR I take all "reports” with a grain of salt (including this one).

I read this article several times..to be sure that it is crap full of crap propaganda.

Hurts may come off as aloof..but that is his personal style.  Nothing will change that. He is Cool. He doesn't react to people screaming at him or being overly emotional. I like that in a QB. He needs a good QB coach.. because he has regressed. But he is definitely salvageable.

[VeeMak]

He wasn’t worth $255MM

[UK_EaglesFan89]

23 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

He wasn’t worth $255MM

We don't actually know that yet. His first year as a starter he showed flashes but also had struggles, his second year he was an MVP candidate and this year he's been up and down (at times he was an MVP candidate). Ultimately I think he needs a new scheme and a new play caller and then we can start to determine what his actual level is.

[Swimm]

5 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

I read this article several times..to be sure that it is crap full of crap propaganda.

Hurts may come off as aloof..but that is his personal style.  Nothing will change that. He is Cool. He doesn't react to people screaming at him or being overly emotional. I like that in a QB. He needs a good QB coach.. because he has regressed. But he is definitely salvageable.

 

Is it though? This is the same guy who broke the news on Wentz and was right

[Devaster]

5 hours ago, Swimm said:

 

Is it though? This is the same guy who broke the news on Wentz and was right

All I've seen from Hurts this year is being accountable and a leader. That article seems like a hit job. Wentz was a known locker room cancer. And has been in every locker room he goes to.

[Procus]

The contract is structured so that the team could incur a manageable cap hit if it chooses to trade him - and if there's a willing trade partner out there.  The latter may be more challenging as this is a quarterback rich draft.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/contract-makes-it-easy-for-eagles-to-trade-jalen-hurts-in-theory

Contract makes it easy for Eagles to trade Jalen Hurts, in theory

    By
    Mike Florio

 Published January 23, 2024 01:42 PM

Plenty of time has been spent over the past week on the question of whether coach Nick Sirianni will be back with the Eagles. There’s another question that has yet to be explored.

Will quarterback Jalen Hurts return?

While there’s no specific reason to believe the Eagles or Hurts are ready for a fresh start, the general sense of dysfunction within the locker room seemed palpable toward the end of the season. It feels like something big happened, something we don’t know about. Something we might never know about. Whatever it was/is could be enough, in theory, to make the team or the player interested in making a change.

Unlike many high-end quarterback contracts, Hurts’ deal makes it fairly simple — if the Eagles want to do it (and if Hurts will waive his no-trade clause for it).

He has been paid $24.3 million so far. The cap hit for a pre-June 1 trade would be only $18.632 million for 2024. He’d then be off the books for 2025.

The bigger question becomes finding a suitor or Hurts. Would one or more teams be inclined to trade for him?

Hurts has a fully-guaranteed option bonus for 2024 in the amount of $38.875 million, with an exercise window of the first day through the 10th day of the league year. He also has a fully-guaranteed 2024 base salary of $1.125 million.

The contract also has a fully-guaranteed 2025 option bonus of $40.83 million, and a 2025 fully-guaranteed base salary of $1.17 million.

That’s $82 million, fully guaranteed, over the next two years; that’s $41 million per year.

The contract includes $51 million for 2026, $3.696 million of which is fully guaranteed at signing, $16.5 million of which becomes fully guaranteed in March 2024, and $30 million of which becomes fully guaranteed in March 2025.

It works out to $133 million over the next three years, an average of $44.33 million.

Again, the Eagles would have to find a team willing to take on that contract. If they can, and if Hurts is willing to waive his no-trade clause, the structure of the contract allows it to happen.

That’s not to say it will happen. It’s just to say it could happen, given the manner in which the deal was structured.

 

[Godfather]

Moved to RnR in 3....2....

[VeeMak]

24 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Moved to RnR in 3....2....

And Florio casually mentions that Hurts would have to waive his NT clause. 

[time2rock]

Trade him to Dallas

 

 

[MF POON]

2 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Trade him to Dallas

 

 

And the kicker would be he delivers them their first SB win in over 3 decades.

[GoEagles614]

Hurts is the guy. He’s not going anywhere. 

[nicks]

And neither are we. 

[D.WATSfromda757]

Image if we could trade fans

[time2rock]

And then there’s this:

Hoping this is more representative of the real Hurts than that last Santoliquito "report” I shared.  

[UK_EaglesFan89]

10 hours ago, time2rock said:

And then there’s this:

Hoping this is more representative of the real Hurts than that last Santoliquito "report” I shared.  

I do think the one thing we can (and always can) have confidence in with Jalen is that he will give everything to be the best version of himself. That doesn't mean he's going to be a great player. That doesn't mean he's going to be a great leader either. But he will focus in and try to be the best he can be whatever level that is.

[NOTW]

The media twisting things out of context and spinning a narrative to create drama for clicks and views?  

No way!

Yet, Eagles fans fall for it EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. And believe every gossip and rumor instead of listening to the players directly praise Jalen as a leader.  

 

 

[NOTW]

[Diehardfan]

22 hours ago, Procus said:

The contract is structured so that the team could incur a manageable cap hit if it chooses to trade him - and if there's a willing trade partner out there.  The latter may be more challenging as this is a quarterback rich draft.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/contract-makes-it-easy-for-eagles-to-trade-jalen-hurts-in-theory

Contract makes it easy for Eagles to trade Jalen Hurts, in theory

    By
    Mike Florio

 Published January 23, 2024 01:42 PM

Plenty of time has been spent over the past week on the question of whether coach Nick Sirianni will be back with the Eagles. There’s another question that has yet to be explored.

Will quarterback Jalen Hurts return?

While there’s no specific reason to believe the Eagles or Hurts are ready for a fresh start, the general sense of dysfunction within the locker room seemed palpable toward the end of the season. It feels like something big happened, something we don’t know about. Something we might never know about. Whatever it was/is could be enough, in theory, to make the team or the player interested in making a change.

Unlike many high-end quarterback contracts, Hurts’ deal makes it fairly simple — if the Eagles want to do it (and if Hurts will waive his no-trade clause for it).

He has been paid $24.3 million so far. The cap hit for a pre-June 1 trade would be only $18.632 million for 2024. He’d then be off the books for 2025.

The bigger question becomes finding a suitor or Hurts. Would one or more teams be inclined to trade for him?

Hurts has a fully-guaranteed option bonus for 2024 in the amount of $38.875 million, with an exercise window of the first day through the 10th day of the league year. He also has a fully-guaranteed 2024 base salary of $1.125 million.

The contract also has a fully-guaranteed 2025 option bonus of $40.83 million, and a 2025 fully-guaranteed base salary of $1.17 million.

That’s $82 million, fully guaranteed, over the next two years; that’s $41 million per year.

The contract includes $51 million for 2026, $3.696 million of which is fully guaranteed at signing, $16.5 million of which becomes fully guaranteed in March 2024, and $30 million of which becomes fully guaranteed in March 2025.

It works out to $133 million over the next three years, an average of $44.33 million.

Again, the Eagles would have to find a team willing to take on that contract. If they can, and if Hurts is willing to waive his no-trade clause, the structure of the contract allows it to happen.

That’s not to say it will happen. It’s just to say it could happen, given the manner in which the deal was structured.

 

See....I flipped out over giving him a no trade and some said it wasn't a big deal. With that amount of money it made zero sense for Howie to include that. None. He wanted it? Too bad. He takes 50 million a year or trade him then. He wasn't Tom Brady with multiple rings. Hey...you want to go to a crappy team? No. OK we have to eat it now.

[Diehardfan]

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

The media twisting things out of context and spinning a narrative to create drama for clicks and views?  

No way!

Yet, Eagles fans fall for it EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. And believe every gossip and rumor instead of listening to the players directly praise Jalen as a leader.  

 

 

Do you think players will publicly talk crap on him?

[NOTW]

22 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Do you think players will publicly talk crap on him?

No, players and coaches should not and likely will not speak negatively about each other in the media. 

In this case, Covey said something and it was twisted and purposely spun as something negative and fans fell for it and immediately believed it. Then Covey corrected it. He didn't just say something PC, he laid out specifically what he said and then praised Hurts as a great teammate. If he really felt that way but didn't want heat for it he would have been in spin mode himself.

AJ Brown did the same thing. He went in front of reporters and set the record straight. He was professional, direct and clear. People in the media are ALWAYS stirring up drama about this team when they're losing. Partly because many of them are fans with a press pass who get mad and frustrated and partly because they know Philly fans are pessimistic and believe every negative thing. People still run with narratives after the evidence disproves it.  There's a large portion of Philadelphia fans that buy the negative stuff EVERY TIME. It's confirmation bias. The media knows the fans are upset and they prey on that. And fans get worked up.

Once the truth comes out and the players say directly it's not true, they think Jalen's a good leader, etc. then fans STILL don't buy it like you're doing, making excuses or saying it's just damage control, etc.

Look at the completely conflicting narratives about this team the last 8-10 weeks, even in the last week we've heard conflicting "reports" about coaching that contradict each other. Fans believe it all, until the next blogger or no-name Twitter account posts a "rumor" and some fans immediately believe it without questioning it.