14 minutes ago, ReidMustGo said:

 

$255 million and hasn’t "mastered” his QB skills???? What would he have gotten if he did? $400 Million?

The original rmg? Haven't seen  you since the mcnabb wars lol 

Just now, Shalodeep said:

The original rmg? Haven't seen  you since the mcnabb wars lol 

Yep, I’m back. This place needs a hero.

1 minute ago, ReidMustGo said:

Yep, I’m back. This place needs a hero.

I remember going back and forth with you in 06 day in and out lol welcome back sir

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

I remember going back and forth with you in 06 day in and out lol welcome back sir

I remember it well. This should be fun!

1 minute ago, ReidMustGo said:

I remember it well. This should be fun!

This time I defend the qb a little less than before....

10 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That's true, but I think he misses the leadership and intelligence of Jason Kelce. He picked up new responsibilities and hasn't mastered his QB skills. 

I don´t think this is being spoken about enough. When Kelce was in the huddle and at the line, it was like having a coach right there on the field. Sure, Jalen has to do better and I hope he will - but Kelce is a huge loss to this team, not just on the field but in terms of identity

3 hours ago, kiwinavega said:

I don´t think this is being spoken about enough. When Kelce was in the huddle and at the line, it was like having a coach right there on the field. Sure, Jalen has to do better and I hope he will - but Kelce is a huge loss to this team, not just on the field but in terms of identity

Well Kelce was there last year when the wheels completely fell off ... his presence didn't seem to make a difference.  Hurts is who he is.  He is as much a top 5 QB as Wentz was (they both caught lightning in a bottle for a short period and nothing more).  Hurts can get all the praise people throw on him for his work ethic and not getting too high or too low and for being a leader the players want to play hard for  (rightfully so for those areas), but as a QUARTERBACK for a team that wants a legit shot at a championship, he needs to have elite passing ability and proper decision-making ... if he hasn't mastered those areas in 5 years I don't expect he ever will.  

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

Well Kelce was there last year when the wheels completely fell off ... his presence didn't seem to make a difference.  Hurts is who he is.  He is as much a top 5 QB as Wentz was (they both caught lightning in a bottle for a short period and nothing more).  Hurts can get all the praise people throw on him for his work ethic and not getting too high or too low and for being a leader the players want to play hard for  (rightfully so for those areas), but as a QUARTERBACK for a team that wants a legit shot at a championship, he needs to have elite passing ability and proper decision-making ... if he hasn't mastered those areas in 5 years I don't expect he ever will.  

You don't think QBs ever get better after the 1st five seasons? Alex Smith was booed out of SF after 7 seasons and then was a 3 time pro bowler under Reid in KC. Geno Smith was a joke for 9 years and then all of a sudden showed tremendous improvement going to 2 consecutive PBs. Baker Mayfield was dumped after a ho-hum beginning to his career and appears to be a better player today. Jared Goff was traded away with extra compensation to get out of his contract --- what a night he had yesterday. Cunningham had his best season as a passer after being out of football for over a year. 

9 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

You don't think QBs ever get better after the 1st five seasons? Alex Smith was booed out of SF after 7 seasons and then was a 3 time pro bowler under Reid in KC. Geno Smith was a joke for 9 years and then all of a sudden showed tremendous improvement going to 2 consecutive PBs. Baker Mayfield was dumped after a ho-hum beginning to his career and appears to be a better player today. Jared Goff was traded away with extra compensation to get out of his contract --- what a night he had yesterday. Cunningham had his best season as a passer after being out of football for over a year. 

All of those guys changed teams 

I like where you are going with this

16 hours ago, ReidMustGo said:

Well Peyton Manning for one, but to expand on the premise. It’s not just a QB. Every successful team has at least that 1 individual that lifts the others. A person someone wants to follow. Be it a defensive player, Ray Lewis or Lawrence Taylor, or a coach like Bill Parcells etc…this team has none of those and it seems like we don’t have anyone that even wants to attempt to be that person.

Peyton had a couple of good to great receivers, and arguably one of the best to ever play in Harrison. I don't deny that he definitely elevated those around him, but even he failed a lot in the postseason.  Even in the SB's he won, he didn't win due to his play, it was due to the defenses.  Jalen also needs a defense he can rely on that won't put him in the position to climb out of a 24-0 hole - especially when he doesn't have his two best receivers to throw to.  

I don't think this team as that player either, which is why I was bummed when Kelce left because I felt he and Cox were those guys.

Hurts and Wentz both played well when they had quality offensive coordinators and play callers to give them a simple offense and could mask their weaknesses. Reich and Steichen. Once those guys left, they both got exposed for the below average QBs they are. It's really that simple.

7 hours ago, brkmsn said:

You don't think QBs ever get better after the 1st five seasons? Alex Smith was booed out of SF after 7 seasons and then was a 3 time pro bowler under Reid in KC. Geno Smith was a joke for 9 years and then all of a sudden showed tremendous improvement going to 2 consecutive PBs. Baker Mayfield was dumped after a ho-hum beginning to his career and appears to be a better player today. Jared Goff was traded away with extra compensation to get out of his contract --- what a night he had yesterday. Cunningham had his best season as a passer after being out of football for over a year. 

Not saying it isn't possible ... those are all good examples (can add Darnold to that list too).  But I think those QBs make up the minority and I just don't have high hopes it happens with Hurts.  I think Hurts' chances are about as good as Wentz's of returning to top 5 form.  That's all.  

On 9/30/2024 at 11:52 AM, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The defense was definitely needed yesterday, but the point remains...he doesn't need to make things harder than necessary.  If he takes what the defense gives him and sustains drives, the defensive issues don't seem as bad.  A few less 3 and outs and the defense may not have been gassed (and gashed).  They needed less time on the field, not more. 

I agree, but I think that needs to be done by the OC. Moore should've had a gameplan for getting rid of the ball quick to avoid Jalen taking sacks. Unless I'm unaware of something, I don't think Hurts has full say so in how the offense is run, right?  Same as the defense can't just override Fangio and blitz when they want.  But I agree, he has to cut out his mistakes and the offense needs to cater more to getting it out quickly and more Barkley runs, especially with Aj/Smith out.

On 9/30/2024 at 11:44 AM, Swoop said:

Are you being intentionally obtuse for the sake of it or what?

We're all in agreement the defense is also a major issue. Especially yesterday. Hurts is also bad and hasn't come close to '22 the bulk of his career. Both of these can be true.

The guy has almost 30 turnovers in his last 20+ games. The bulk of us would've accepted a loss yesterday, given the circumstances, if he at least looked competent. Half of his passes weren't in the same zip code, he missed a walk in TD for Barkley, he stupidly fumbled twice and is pretty lucky he didn't have a pick 6 on top of it.

No one expects him to throw for 450 and 4 TDs with the three most important players on offense out, but it's very reasonable to ask that he looks like he belongs as a starting QB in the league.

He's Carson Wentz with more talent around him and like Wentz, he needs to go.

No, I think the majority of Eagles fans here are. Mahomes is sitting at 4-0, but he could easily be 0-4 right now. if you look at his play/stats, you'd see he hasn't been playing all that well either (6TDs, 5 INTs), but they've won, so his poor play is overlooked by fans that like to whine about their team's QB.  Mahomes also just took out one of his better weapons after throwing an INT.   Imagine if Hurts had done that to Brown, or Smith, you'd all want him gone yesterday, lol

 

42 minutes ago, MF POON said:

No, I think the majority of Eagles fans here are. Mahomes is sitting at 4-0, but he could easily be 0-4 right now. if you look at his play/stats, you'd see he hasn't been playing all that well either (6TDs, 5 INTs), but they've won, so his poor play is overlooked by fans that like to whine about their team's QB.  Mahomes also just took out one of his better weapons after throwing an INT.   Imagine if Hurts had done that to Brown, or Smith, you'd all want him gone yesterday, lol

 

Mahomes is a first ballot Hall of Famer and has been to/won multiple Superbowls.

Him having poor stretches is meaningless at this point.

The fact that you and others keep trying to compare the two is beyond asinine. 

1 hour ago, MF POON said:

No, I think the majority of Eagles fans here are. Mahomes is sitting at 4-0, but he could easily be 0-4 right now. if you look at his play/stats, you'd see he hasn't been playing all that well either (6TDs, 5 INTs), but they've won, so his poor play is overlooked by fans that like to whine about their team's QB.  Mahomes also just took out one of his better weapons after throwing an INT.   Imagine if Hurts had done that to Brown, or Smith, you'd all want him gone yesterday, lol

 

Mahomes has actually been struggling...not leading the league in turnovers since the beginning of 2023 bad, but has been struggling.  The difference is one has earned the right patience through multiple championships and mvps and the other has one stand alone season that been on the decline since

40 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Mahomes is a first ballot Hall of Famer and has been to/won multiple Superbowls.

Him having poor stretches is meaningless at this point.

The fact that you and others keep trying to compare the two is beyond asinine. 

Overlooking his poor play because of his accomplishments is not being objective though.  

Mahomes had his worst season last year as well, but his defense stepped up and he won another SB, so it's fine. His up and down play has continued into this season too, but it's OK cos they're 4-0. IF we were 4-0 with all of the turnovers Jalen has, people would be more objective and note that he's won without key guys, but since we're 2-2, they disregard that and just say he sucks. lol silly fans

 

6 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Mahomes has actually been struggling...not leading the league in turnovers since the beginning of 2023 bad, but has been struggling.  The difference is one has earned the right patience through multiple championships and mvps and the other has one stand alone season that been on the decline since

I think Hurts deserves patience too.  I'm all for criticizing him, but people are yelling he needs to go, as if he's the reason we've been losing. 

His turnovers were a concern yet overlooked last year due to the offense carrying us to a 10-1 start. Once the collapse happened, that's when fans started turning on him, as if the losses were all on him.  I'd say 2 new OC coordinators in back to back seasons and an awful defense should earn you a little more patience.  

10 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I think Hurts deserves patience too.  I'm all for criticizing him, but people are yelling he needs to go, as if he's the reason we've been losing. 

His turnovers were a concern yet overlooked last year due to the offense carrying us to a 10-1 start. Once the collapse happened, that's when fans started turning on him, as if the losses were all on him.  I'd say 2 new OC coordinators in back to back seasons and an awful defense should earn you a little more patience.  

But a lot of us were talking about the turnovers during the 10-1 stretch and drawing attention to it and were pretty much told to shut it....and then the losses started flooding in because that's what happens you constantly turn the ball over. Then the blame went on to the coordinators. New coordinators, same Jalen. I'm actually okay stating some of this may be overblown....I'm not okay saying that everything is okay. It's not. He may help us win games, but most of the time he is making those games significantly harder than they have to be from the beginning. He needs to stop saying he'll do better and actually do something about it. It shouldn't take over 3.5 seconds to figure out where to go with it or get going. It shouldn't take five years to learn nothings there, get rid of it, or throw it to the flat, or let me step up. Instead he floats around where his tackles have been working the edge rushes for nearly 4.5 seconds and he gets stripped twice a game it feels like. That isn't a five year process.  That's a problem

31 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Overlooking his poor play because of his accomplishments is not being objective though.  

Mahomes had his worst season last year as well, but his defense stepped up and he won another SB, so it's fine. His up and down play has continued into this season too, but it's OK cos they're 4-0. IF we were 4-0 with all of the turnovers Jalen has, people would be more objective and note that he's won without key guys, but since we're 2-2, they disregard that and just say he sucks. lol silly fans

 

His worst season was still better than the bulk of Hurts' career. 

During the SB run he completed over 70% of his passes. He threw 6 TDs to 1 INT, averaged over 260 passing yards per game and had a QB rating of 104. 

His defense played well, but let's stop pretending he got carried.

Meanwhile Hurts led the biggest collapse the sport has ever seen and is on pace for 30 turnovers this season, after being one of the league leaders last year. 

Being 4-0 verses 2-2 doesn't change the fact that he's been garbage for the past 20+ games.

Have never seen a player defended so vehemently like Hurts in my life.

18 minutes ago, Swoop said:

His worst season was still better than the bulk of Hurts' career. 

During the SB run he completed over 70% of his passes. He threw 6 TDs to 1 INT, averaged over 260 passing yards per game and had a QB rating of 104. 

His defense played well, but let's stop pretending he got carried.

Meanwhile Hurts led the biggest collapse the sport has ever seen and is on pace for 30 turnovers this season, after being one of the league leaders last year. 

Being 4-0 verses 2-2 doesn't change the fact that he's been garbage for the past 20+ games.

Have never seen a player defended so vehemently like Hurts in my life.

I have been wanting this man to succeed since he started but at this point I don't see how ANYONE can defend his play. The terrible decisions, taking the unnecessary sacks, the fumbling, missing wide open receivers hell, he won't even try to take off anymore....its cringe just watching him play at this point (at least, for ME it is)....he is just like Wentz and caught lightning in a bottle that one year and has sucked since....HOPEFULLY, he can come out of this but I just don't see it happening. It looks like to me that if the play isn't an RPO, he can't do a thing back there.....

6 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

All of those guys changed teams 

I like where you are going with this

Holy crap this was a good one. I'm stealing this for facebook replies

2 hours ago, MF POON said:

I agree, but I think that needs to be done by the OC. Moore should've had a gameplan for getting rid of the ball quick to avoid Jalen taking sacks. Unless I'm unaware of something, I don't think Hurts has full say so in how the offense is run, right?  Same as the defense can't just override Fangio and blitz when they want.  But I agree, he has to cut out his mistakes and the offense needs to cater more to getting it out quickly and more Barkley runs, especially with Aj/Smith out.

What do you mean by this? Hurts can audible

On 9/30/2024 at 11:00 AM, Mike030270 said:

There are other players to throw the ball to. It's not just Smith and Brown.

Unfortunately with the passing game, it kind of has been just Smith and Brown.

44 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Holy crap this was a good one. I'm stealing this for facebook replies

 

You are welcome brother

55 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Holy crap this was a good one. I'm stealing this for facebook replies

What do you mean by this? Hurts can audible

Not only can he audible, but if he's still unable to have any input on offense that would be another major red flag.

The Hurts defenders are deconstructing their own arguments