13 minutes ago, MR-CYN said:

One thing that really bothers me is watching Hurts try to get down in a scramble, half way in between a slide and a I don't know what, and he catches his foot under his glute and injures himself. How does a professional athlete not know how to slide? I remember Vick having problems with it as well. He looks like my Grandma at 88 years old trying to sit down for a picknick. I can't get the image of him with his foot trapped under his ass sideways and then getting slammed by a LBr anyway.

Sidenote, last night Stafford threw for 450 yards, 3 TDs, and no picks or sacks and lost to Darnold who threw for 270 with 2 TDs, 2 INTs, and 4 sacks. Stats don't always tell the tale.

There were several 3 and outs as well.

Here is the 450 yards and 3 TD Stafford game with the Hurts high bar lens.

Darnold threw his 2nd pick and it should have ended the game with 9:39 to play at 30-14

Stafford was awful.

7 for 18 for the rest of regulation.

1 of the 7 completions was a 5 yard pass on 3rd and 10.

Stafford was great last night at being an offensive player of the year and he was bad at being a winner.

On 12/19/2025 at 8:42 AM, brkmsn said:

Despite all the OCs he's had as an Eagle, the only real drastic change was going from the Pederson coaching staff to the Sirianni one. The offense has not undergone any significant changes since Sirianni gave up play-calling in his 1st season with the Eagles.

Every play caller added their style and philosophy to the play calling. With that being the case do you think any elite

Quarterback in the NFL wants a completely new offensive style every time they get a new OC? I don’t think so. I’ll add take Mahomes for example. He can have a new OC every year and it would never matter, because his play caller always stays the same as Andy Reid. Not the same situation as Jalen in the slightest so while you may want to minimize Jalen’s situation, you’re wrong for doing so.

9 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Every play caller added their style and philosophy to the play calling. With that being the case do you think any elite

Quarterback in the NFL wants a completely new offensive style every time they get a new OC? I don’t think so. I’ll add take Mahomes for example. He can have a new OC every year and it would never matter, because his play caller always stays the same as Andy Reid. Not the same situation as Jalen in the slightest so while you may want to minimize Jalen’s situation, you’re wrong for doing so.

I don't see it as minimizing his situation. I just don't think it has been a negative factor that has held him back or anything. It's still been the same offense built around his strengths and a run-first philosophy. Since I don't believe the OC changes have been as big a deal as you believe, maybe you can shed some light on what major changes have affected the offense since Sirianni gave up play-calling.

Steichen was here two years and when he left, Brian Johnson, a familiar face moved up the ranks and made no changes and didn't change any terminology. Then Kellen Moore came in, added a little bit of motion and nothing else changed. Then KP took over --- another guy that had been here the whole time and made no significant changes. The most significant or drastic change we saw was after the Hurts extension when the team basically told him to slide at all cost. That came with a side effect that made the read option plays much less effective, thus preventing them from being called as much. But that had nothing to do with the OC changes and everything to do with protecting an investment.

There are plenty of people that don't like Hurts or the style of QB he brings. I'm not one of them. I just don't buy the idea that the OC changes have been a big deal. I think there are more positives than negatives in Jalen's case. If he had had to go from Andy Reid to Chip Kelly to Sirianni, yeah ... that would have been major changes in concept and terminology that could have really hindered his growth. But all he has really had was different name plaques on a desk, a little more or less motion, the addition of a shovel pass, and more plays under center. The rest has been unchanged and our success often rests on the execution of the offensive line.

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I don't see it as minimizing his situation. I just don't think it has been a negative factor that has held him back or anything. It's still been the same offense built around his strengths and a run-first philosophy. Since I don't believe the OC changes have been as big a deal as you believe, maybe you can shed some light on what major changes have affected the offense since Sirianni gave up play-calling.

Steichen was here two years and when he left, Brian Johnson, a familiar face moved up the ranks and made no changes and didn't change any terminology. Then Kellen Moore came in, added a little bit of motion and nothing else changed. Then KP took over --- another guy that had been here the whole time and made no significant changes. The most significant or drastic change we saw was after the Hurts extension when the team basically told him to slide at all cost. That came with a side effect that made the read option plays much less effective, thus preventing them from being called as much. But that had nothing to do with the OC changes and everything to do with protecting an investment.

There are plenty of people that don't like Hurts or the style of QB he brings. I'm not one of them. I just don't buy the idea that the OC changes have been a big deal. I think there are more positives than negatives in Jalen's case. If he had had to go from Andy Reid to Chip Kelly to Sirianni, yeah ... that would have been major changes in concept and terminology that could have really hindered his growth. But all he has really had was different name plaques on a desk, a little more or less motion, the addition of a shovel pass, and more plays under center. The rest has been unchanged and our success often rests on the execution of the offensive line.

I just think at this point in his career it would be nice to see consistency at the play caller position, and his most productive season is arguably his second season with Steichen. Since then it’s been a new play caller and a new voice. They need some consistency here.

Things have been on another level for this franchise since he became the starter.

@EazyEaglez The game before this started was the NFC East garbage division special.

Hurts sat late so Sudfeld could get a try and the Giants loser coach cried. Judge? All the loser Giants coaches just kind of blend together.

4-11-1 with the 26/24 ranked offense to this.

On 12/22/2025 at 8:39 AM, EazyEaglez said:

Things have been on another level for this franchise since he became the starter.

That is also Howie Roseman's record over the last 5 years.

1 hour ago, CouchKing said:

  On 12/22/2025 at 8:39 AM, EazyEaglez said:

Things have been on another level for this franchise since he became the starter.

Howie been here a lot longer than that, but Howie is the one who drafted him too.

Dakota Rayne "Dak Stats" Prescott has 30 TDs this year.

Its his 4th season of 30+ TDs in 10 years as the Cowboys starter.

Goff has 4 years of 30+ TDs in 9 years as a starter.

Stafford has 5 seasons of 30+ TDs in 17 years as a starter.

Lamar Jackson has 3 years of 30+ TDs in 7 seasons as a starter.

Mahomes has 4 seasons of 30+ TDs in 8 years as a starter.

Hurts has 4 straight years of 30+ TDs in and 4 in 5 years as the Eagles starter.

Allen currently has 6 straight and 6 of 8.

Brady had 0 in his 20s (0-5) and was 10 for 16 after so 10 for 21.

Manning was 7 for 14 in Indy and 3 for 4 in Denver so 10 for 18

Brees was 0-6 to start, 9 for 9 in the middle, and 1 for 4 to end so 10 for 19

Fashion fool was 3 for his first 5 including his 30 and 10 season in 2015.

He was 0-4 after that so 3 for 9 overall.

Goff out there handing out turnovers left and right on a team going nowhere. Will they be calling for him to be benched like they did Jalen. 🤔

16 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Goff out there handing out turnovers left and right on a team going nowhere. Will they be calling for him to be benched like they did Jalen. 🤔

From The Den fan forum:

20 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Goff out there handing out turnovers left and right on a team going nowhere. Will they be calling for him to be benched like they did Jalen. 🤔

When shouty show vermin make top 5 QB lists to intentionally exclude Hurts, they love to put Goff in there. 💩

(and people who can't think for themselves duplicate their opinions)

Last year it was sometimes Jayden Daniels at 5. 🤡

Maybe Drake Maye with his 155 yards and 1 pick when 210 and 0 locks up the division vs Buffalo?

The rest of his team ran 23 times for 201 yards and Maye nets 182 with 2 TD runs and a pick.

Maye is 2-2 in his life vs playoff teams (3-2 if you count 1 ceremonial pass in week 18 last year vs Buffalo backups)

That dude is elite. 🤡

The question is not if guys like Goff, Maye, Darnold, Daniels, and Jordan Love are better than Hurts. They are clearly not.

The question is, are they better than 30+ TDs both years, 23-10 record and lets see what he does in year 2's playoffs Bo Nix.

Maye can't help it if it's only year 2 for him and he can't set his team's schedule. But he has had a very good year playing QB. There's no reason to minimize what he has been able to do. Guys like Goff, Geno Smith, Mac Jones, and Aaron Rodgers are barely throwing the ball down the field and getting credit mainly for what receivers are doing after the catch. But Maye, on the other hand, is actually tied for 2nd (T-1st among "starters") in average air yards per attempt (9.1). Jalen is up there too at 8.8. So when people get all caught up on pure passing totals and don't consider the metrics and averages, they often undervalue QBs that are actually more efficient, like Hurts. There are also old-school football fans that think playing QB requires mimicking Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and are trying to cling on to an era where QBs drafted out of college were statues. College is adapting and mobile QBs are not just relegated to running Wishbone or Power-I offenses. The true dual-threat QBs produced in college and many of the concepts designed to take advantage of their abilities have made it into the NFL which is always evolving. Some fans and analysts just can't let go of the past.

Looking at Jalen this year, with the exception of the chargers game, he has had his best overall year. he can't undo that game and it's still pretty fresh in people's minds. So many fans aren't really going to appreciate it unless he follows it up with another good postseason run. I think Jalen's accuracy is very underrated --- his career "on target percentage" is right there with Tom Brady, Matthew Stafford, etc...

So when many people rank QBs, they tend to rank them as "passers" instead of QBs. That hurts Jalen on a lot of lists, but who really cares? Every year there are better passers than Jalen in the NFL, but every year he remains one of the best QBs when QB is not a predefined pattern, but an actual position on an offense that may not resemble every other offense.

Terry Bradshaw is in the HOF along with a dozen other guys on his team. I kind of feel like he would wash-out as a QB in today's NFL. In his era, though, his team had a lot of success and he shared credit for that success. So far, Jalen has had a lot of success as well.

Bradshaw would be great in any era. They changed the rules (5 yards no hitting WRs) and Bradshaw turned into a bomber.

He had a 112 passer rating in 4 Super Bowls including some of the top 25 plays in NFL History (Levitating Leap and the deep ball to Stallworth vs the Rams)

I'm not saying Maye is bad or can't eventually be a great QB.

I'm just saying he has put up some numbers and won some games on a cake schedule.

Hurts and Allen have proven themselves.

Goff has proven he is not the guy.

Let Maye prove he is better than Stroud, Lawrence, Nix, Herbert, and old Rodgers in these playoffs before crowning him.

Jalen Hurts was not good this game.

He played especially awful in the second half.

Timid? Incompetent? Ineffective? Waste of money?

17 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

Jalen Hurts was not good this game.

He played especially awful in the second half.

Timid? Incompetent? Ineffective? Waste of money?

Was good in the first half. Poor in the second, although there were also a couple of crucial drops. Again play calling and failing to deal with the adjustments of the other DC was an issue.

But a lot of other QBs would force something and give the Bills a win. He did enough and got another win against one of the best QBs in the league on the road.

Just now, ManchesterEagle said:

Was good in the first half. Poor in the second, although there were also a couple of crucial drops. Again play calling and failing to deal with the adjustments of the other DC was an issue.

But a lot of other QBs would force something and give the Bills a win. He did enough and got another win against one of the best QBs in the league on the road.

Jalen Hurts was the King of All Chokers in the second half of this game.

1 minute ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Was good in the first half. Poor in the second, although there were also a couple of crucial drops. Again play calling and failing to deal with the adjustments of the other DC was an issue.

But a lot of other QBs would force something and give the Bills a win. He did enough and got another win against one of the best QBs in the league on the road.

I like Jalen, but he really didn't do anything in the 2nd half. IMO, that 3rd down slide for a loss forcing us to punt from our endzone, sends a message (as the leader) that you just don't have to give it your all out there. The offense seems to embrace that message week after week. If staying healthy at all cost is or was the priority, then he shouldn't have been out there in the first place. I just want to see evidence of leadership somewhere on our offense. We have 5 team captains on offense and 4 of them played today. Did any of them lead or display any leadership during the game?

I may be posting too early and may be overreacting a bit still --- but this is the Eagles' identity --- to underperform offensively and hope the defense and a miracle can save the day. I want the leaders to stop talking about a "standard" and instead to actually live up to it or demonstrate it. I want to believe that they "want it." The evidence does not support that theory.

Hurts is ass having been handed the keys to a bugatti but cant drive it for crap

F that guy

This country has freedom of religion but deciding to join the cult of Hurts hate is just pathetic.

He threw 2 TD passes today. AJ was mugged on the second one and the refs cheated. It was a perfect throw.

Goedert drops a ball in his hand on the 2nd play of the game.

Smith had 2 big drops. One was refs imagination of a drop but how is that on Hurts. The other just goes through his hands.

They are driving for another TD and Tank slips on a screen.

Hurts had about 4 or 5 throw aways due to bad blocking/no one open/ no high risk passes.

He also protected the ball and was like -2 yards from sacks when the other guy was -52 with a game altering fumble.

I get that the cult is based on complete and total ignorance but you are all just so boring.

2 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

This country has freedom of religion but deciding to join the cult of Hurts hate is just pathetic.

He threw 2 TD passes today. AJ was mugged on the second one and the refs cheated. It was a perfect throw.

Goedert drops a ball in his hand on the 2nd play of the game.

Smith had 2 big drops. One was refs imagination of a drop but how is that on Hurts. The other just goes through his hands.

They are driving for another TD and Tank slips on a screen.

Hurts had about 4 or5 throw away due to bad locking/no one open/ no high risk passes.

I get that the cult is based on complete and total ignorance but you are all just so boring.

It's okay to expect more from Jalen as well. He's the only player on offense that touches the ball on every play. He's the guy that gets to decide where to go with the ball on every play. So when the defense is carrying the team, it's reasonable to expect a similar contribution from the offense. Is Jalen or is he not the de facto leader of the team?

I agree that we all need to acknowledge there are 11 guys on offense, not just 1. Today, I thought the blocking was subpar and probably the biggest reason for the multiple 3 and outs. There was also unfavorable weather which added difficulty to the execution. Obviously that affected both teams. But I want to see somebody fire up the team when it is underperforming. I expect that person to be Jalen Hurts. If he is incapable of being that guy, then one of the other captains needs to step up. Post game press conferences aren't inspiring teammates. I've watched a lot of football over the years, though, and have seen great players inspire greatness from teammates by demonstrating a willingness to give 100% on every play. I've also seen them lead verbally on the field and on the sideline. Jalen isn't a fiery vocal leader or an emotional tone-setter. He does control when he gives up on runs, though. Maybe he only gets one more yard if he doesn't slide, but on a wet field with a wet uniform, maybe, just maybe, a powerful runner can slip a few tackles and get a 1st down. I saw a gimpy Josh Allen do such a thing today.

I was inspired by the defensive play once again today. I wish our offensive players were inspired as well.

I'm not saying he had a great game but to be so aggressively nasty about the clear best QB in Eagles history and one of the best QBs in the NFL right now is beyond pathetic.

He puts up 30+ TDs every year now. He has 33 now and could have 40+ with all the ones dropped or called back by penalty.

(or AJ quitting)

His TD to INT is top 12 all time at 2.44 to 1

His passer rating is right there with Allen at 20th or so all-time.

He's 48-15 and 6-2 since the start of 2022.

He just almost always wins when he faces Burrow, Mahomes, Stafford, Goff, Love, Allen, and anyone else you would want to rate ahead of him.

He gets better in the playoffs and even better in the Super Bowl.

He is a gift to this city from the football gods and Howie Roseman.

We get that these people watch every snap from Hurts and freak out over every imperfection and then only watch highlights of the other guys. Again, the reason for the foolishness is understood but it is just so incredibly boring.

I think Hurts and the coaches decided he was not going to run around in this mess today.

Allen decided to run around all game and he went for X-rays after the game.

There is a lively debate about resting starters vs playing them and there is also a middle ground of don't have your QB taking off for runs a bunch.

There is nothing less inspiring than a QB1 injury on a cheap shot in the slop.