1 minute ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Was good in the first half. Poor in the second, although there were also a couple of crucial drops. Again play calling and failing to deal with the adjustments of the other DC was an issue.

But a lot of other QBs would force something and give the Bills a win. He did enough and got another win against one of the best QBs in the league on the road.

I like Jalen, but he really didn't do anything in the 2nd half. IMO, that 3rd down slide for a loss forcing us to punt from our endzone, sends a message (as the leader) that you just don't have to give it your all out there. The offense seems to embrace that message week after week. If staying healthy at all cost is or was the priority, then he shouldn't have been out there in the first place. I just want to see evidence of leadership somewhere on our offense. We have 5 team captains on offense and 4 of them played today. Did any of them lead or display any leadership during the game?

I may be posting too early and may be overreacting a bit still --- but this is the Eagles' identity --- to underperform offensively and hope the defense and a miracle can save the day. I want the leaders to stop talking about a "standard" and instead to actually live up to it or demonstrate it. I want to believe that they "want it." The evidence does not support that theory.

Hurts is ass having been handed the keys to a bugatti but cant drive it for crap

F that guy

This country has freedom of religion but deciding to join the cult of Hurts hate is just pathetic.

He threw 2 TD passes today. AJ was mugged on the second one and the refs cheated. It was a perfect throw.

Goedert drops a ball in his hand on the 2nd play of the game.

Smith had 2 big drops. One was refs imagination of a drop but how is that on Hurts. The other just goes through his hands.

They are driving for another TD and Tank slips on a screen.

Hurts had about 4 or 5 throw aways due to bad blocking/no one open/ no high risk passes.

He also protected the ball and was like -2 yards from sacks when the other guy was -52 with a game altering fumble.

I get that the cult is based on complete and total ignorance but you are all just so boring.

2 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

This country has freedom of religion but deciding to join the cult of Hurts hate is just pathetic.

He threw 2 TD passes today. AJ was mugged on the second one and the refs cheated. It was a perfect throw.

Goedert drops a ball in his hand on the 2nd play of the game.

Smith had 2 big drops. One was refs imagination of a drop but how is that on Hurts. The other just goes through his hands.

They are driving for another TD and Tank slips on a screen.

Hurts had about 4 or5 throw away due to bad locking/no one open/ no high risk passes.

I get that the cult is based on complete and total ignorance but you are all just so boring.

It's okay to expect more from Jalen as well. He's the only player on offense that touches the ball on every play. He's the guy that gets to decide where to go with the ball on every play. So when the defense is carrying the team, it's reasonable to expect a similar contribution from the offense. Is Jalen or is he not the de facto leader of the team?

I agree that we all need to acknowledge there are 11 guys on offense, not just 1. Today, I thought the blocking was subpar and probably the biggest reason for the multiple 3 and outs. There was also unfavorable weather which added difficulty to the execution. Obviously that affected both teams. But I want to see somebody fire up the team when it is underperforming. I expect that person to be Jalen Hurts. If he is incapable of being that guy, then one of the other captains needs to step up. Post game press conferences aren't inspiring teammates. I've watched a lot of football over the years, though, and have seen great players inspire greatness from teammates by demonstrating a willingness to give 100% on every play. I've also seen them lead verbally on the field and on the sideline. Jalen isn't a fiery vocal leader or an emotional tone-setter. He does control when he gives up on runs, though. Maybe he only gets one more yard if he doesn't slide, but on a wet field with a wet uniform, maybe, just maybe, a powerful runner can slip a few tackles and get a 1st down. I saw a gimpy Josh Allen do such a thing today.

I was inspired by the defensive play once again today. I wish our offensive players were inspired as well.

I'm not saying he had a great game but to be so aggressively nasty about the clear best QB in Eagles history and one of the best QBs in the NFL right now is beyond pathetic.

He puts up 30+ TDs every year now. He has 33 now and could have 40+ with all the ones dropped or called back by penalty.

(or AJ quitting)

His TD to INT is top 12 all time at 2.44 to 1

His passer rating is right there with Allen at 20th or so all-time.

He's 48-15 and 6-2 since the start of 2022.

He just almost always wins when he faces Burrow, Mahomes, Stafford, Goff, Love, Allen, and anyone else you would want to rate ahead of him.

He gets better in the playoffs and even better in the Super Bowl.

He is a gift to this city from the football gods and Howie Roseman.

We get that these people watch every snap from Hurts and freak out over every imperfection and then only watch highlights of the other guys. Again, the reason for the foolishness is understood but it is just so incredibly boring.

I think Hurts and the coaches decided he was not going to run around in this mess today.

Allen decided to run around all game and he went for X-rays after the game.

There is a lively debate about resting starters vs playing them and there is also a middle ground of don't have your QB taking off for runs a bunch.

There is nothing less inspiring than a QB1 injury on a cheap shot in the slop.

Fans have every right to be upset with the offense. Nobody should really be praising Hurts based on today's game. Some people just don't like him and go overboard with the critiques even when he has a great performance. That isn't rational. But sometimes criticisms are warranted.

In my case, I know he can play better and I expect a certain product from him. I don't care if he only throws 10 passes or for only 80 yards in a game --- it could still be a good performance if he's leading an offense that helps the team win. But when the offense is stagnant, statistically nonexistent, and actually hurting a team with a great defensive performance that also had a critical special teams contribution, how can a person not put some of the blame on the de facto leader?

Once again, I don't think it's all on Jalen, but who is going to light a fire under the offense if not him?

I think the only guy I've seen really get upset by his own bad play was Fred Johnson in today's game. Everybody else seems to be okay with a bad play here or there. The problem with that is the difference in today's outcome was one single play.

10 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

I think Hurts and the coaches decided he was not going to run around in this mess today.

Allen decided to run around all game and he went for X-rays after the game.

There is a lively debate about resting starters vs playing them and there is also a middle ground of don't have your QB taking off for runs a bunch.

There is nothing less inspiring than a QB1 injury on a cheap shot in the slop.

The only shot Jalen really took was on a run out of bounds. He's a much better QB when he doesn't quit early on runs.

a lot of good playing safe does ya

compare that to this: (notice how soon he gets up after each one)

Amazing to see the Jalen Hurts apologist tour this morning.

Somehow, Jalen held the Bills offense to 12 points, stopped them on 4th and goal, and blocked a game tying extra point.

At this point, if you’re unwilling or unable to appreciate the fact that there are numerous QB’s that could have success on this team, you’re just a fanboy. This is arguably the best defense in football, with a bottom third offense holding the team back. Is it Patullo? O line? Refs? AJ? Or is it the $50MM QB that has become a mystery from week to week as to which version shows up. 0-7 in the second half and putting the defense in a bind series after series on the road is NOT greatness. The give up slide on 3rd down for a loss of yardage backed up in your own red area was inexcusable.

There is nothing wrong with calling out Hurts after a bad game, and it’s equally appropriate to celebrate the good performances and give him credit when it’s due. But to come out citing his career stats and blaming AJ, Patullo, refs and making excuses after a second half performance like that is just pathetic.

Today, we should be thanking Fangio and the defense for bailing the offense out (yet again) instead of defending Hurts (yet again). We are watching one of the greatest defenses in Eagles history and it may go to waste due to an inept offense.

You are comparing an actual perfection game in a dome in the middle of the season to a slop game in playoff prep time.

Does this make you feel better about yourself?

Now do the same for the clear #1 QB, Josh Allen.

Now break down Stafford’s 7 for 18 after the last Darnold pick to let Seattle back into the game.

Now compare McNabb’s entire career.

You assume of position of complete ignorance of NFL QB play and just revel in it.

No way am I praising Hurts after that game. I’m just pointing out that the ignorant are ignorant.

Showing his record, stats, and impact is not praise. It’s reality.

If you have to call reality "praise” it’s because you are in a cult.

Hurts has his limitations. The HC and OC have to scheme to his strengths and weaknesses. Same with the run game. The coaches are calling conservative plays with a lead, they're afraid to lose and turn the ball over. Analysts point out the issues with the scheme, routes, play calling and being predictable. That's not Hurts fault. The offense at times performs, then Siri shrinks into conservative mode, afraid to lose and he expects the defense to bail them out. Siri needs an OC with play calling experience and a handle on game flow and management. Hurts, Brown, Mailata and others this year have been critical of the play calling and coaching. Even in the run game the interior O line is injured and Lane is out so you have to adjust. They've been able to get the run game going at times, but not consistent enough. Why isn't Tank getting more carries when he's so effective? That has nothing to do with Hurts. Why are they misusing their TEs and being predictable about which plays they're going to run? Yesterday they opened drives with 2 back to back runs when the Bills knew they were running and stacked the box. Do something different.

Hurts is part of the problem. So are Siri and Patullo. Better coaching would manage this QB and roster better.

@SkippyX you’re way too emotional about this. QB1 gets too much credit and too much blame in the NFL on any team. Showing stats as a deflection (even if they are "reality”) is still just that…deflecting.

Hurts had a poor showing in the second half and the team won in spite of it. And it’s not the first time. Hurts has also been the catalyst in games and the hero.

It’s okay to criticize Hurts. Focusing on McNabb comparisons, or any other QB is just deflecting. Week 17 against the Bills, Hurts stunk up the joint in the 2nd half but the defense and a little luck preserved a W in Hurts career W-L stat line. As for the QB’s you wish to make comparisons: I assume McFlabb was sitting in his recliner at the rest home still blaming everyone else and TO for his playoff failures. Josh Allen was balling out in the 2nd half and missed an easy throw to win the game and is getting crucified by the fans in buffalo today (rightfully so). Stafford is getting blasted on the Rams forums (deservedly). None of what those QB’s do or have done matter. The only QB that matters is Hurts. And what he has done is won a Super Bowl and most of us are grateful and appreciative. And most of us hugged his Knutz after last season. This is a new season and most of us don’t want the ride to end just yet but we can see the train wreck coming if the QB1 doesn’t ball out in the playoffs. Yes, coaching, o line, etc. But the leader of this team has to step up and put the team (especially the offense) on his back. And that’s not been seen this year with any consistency. This could be a one and done playoff if Hurts doesn’t play better in the postseason. And maybe he will, maybe he is just coasting to the postseason and saving his body to turn into the Super Bowl MVP again.

13 hours ago, SkippyX said:

This country has freedom of religion but deciding to join the cult of Hurts hate is just pathetic.

He threw 2 TD passes today. AJ was mugged on the second one and the refs cheated. It was a perfect throw.

Goedert drops a ball in his hand on the 2nd play of the game.

Smith had 2 big drops. One was refs imagination of a drop but how is that on Hurts. The other just goes through his hands.

They are driving for another TD and Tank slips on a screen.

Hurts had about 4 or 5 throw aways due to bad blocking/no one open/ no high risk passes.

He also protected the ball and was like -2 yards from sacks when the other guy was -52 with a game altering fumble.

I get that the cult is based on complete and total ignorance but you are all just so boring.

12 hours ago, brkmsn said:

It's okay to expect more from Jalen as well. He's the only player on offense that touches the ball on every play. He's the guy that gets to decide where to go with the ball on every play. So when the defense is carrying the team, it's reasonable to expect a similar contribution from the offense. Is Jalen or is he not the de facto leader of the team?

I agree that we all need to acknowledge there are 11 guys on offense, not just 1. Today, I thought the blocking was subpar and probably the biggest reason for the multiple 3 and outs. There was also unfavorable weather which added difficulty to the execution. Obviously that affected both teams. But I want to see somebody fire up the team when it is underperforming. I expect that person to be Jalen Hurts. If he is incapable of being that guy, then one of the other captains needs to step up. Post game press conferences aren't inspiring teammates. I've watched a lot of football over the years, though, and have seen great players inspire greatness from teammates by demonstrating a willingness to give 100% on every play. I've also seen them lead verbally on the field and on the sideline. Jalen isn't a fiery vocal leader or an emotional tone-setter. He does control when he gives up on runs, though. Maybe he only gets one more yard if he doesn't slide, but on a wet field with a wet uniform, maybe, just maybe, a powerful runner can slip a few tackles and get a 1st down. I saw a gimpy Josh Allen do such a thing today.

I was inspired by the defensive play once again today. I wish our offensive players were inspired as well.

I think there is a difference between legitimate criticism of Hurts (which you have brk) and those on this board who clearly don’t think Hurts is a good quarterback and call for his head after every bad game (win or loss). It’s fair to say that Hurts and the offense have had a disappointing season.

We also shouldn’t ignore everything Hurts has accomplished prior to that.

It’s becoming increasingly apparent we need to replace KP next year. We also really miss Lane and should focus on getting his backup/eventual replacement in the draft.

21 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I think there is a difference between legitimate criticism of Hurts (which you have brk) and those on this board who clearly don’t think Hurts is a good quarterback and call for his head after every bad game (win or loss). It’s fair to say that Hurts and the offense have had a disappointing season.

We also shouldn’t ignore everything Hurts has accomplished prior to that.

It’s becoming increasingly apparent we need to replace KP next year. We also really miss Lane and should focus on getting his backup/eventual replacement in the draft.

Well said.

7 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I think there is a difference between legitimate criticism of Hurts (which you have brk) and those on this board who clearly don’t think Hurts is a good quarterback and call for his head after every bad game (win or loss). It’s fair to say that Hurts and the offense have had a disappointing season.

We also shouldn’t ignore everything Hurts has accomplished prior to that.

It’s becoming increasingly apparent we need to replace KP next year. We also really miss Lane and should focus on getting his backup/eventual replacement in the draft.

I'm not there yet with KP. I can't help noticing more execution issues than play-calling issues. I also believe Hurts has more "say" in the plays than people want to believe and the offense clearly is built around what Jalen likes to do. Changes made this season that I feel have been positive are the higher percentage of under center plays and the addition of the shovel pass. The run game has been disappointing this year, but IMO, it started with the injury to BVS, whom I believe was to have a noticeably bigger role this season. He appeared to be a very good FB in his limited snaps last season. We also just didn't have a TE2 that can block, so bringing Fred Johnson in as that guy was great --- until injuries forced him to start/play OT. In other words, things didn't go according to plan, the running game suffered, making everything more difficult.

Things I don't like this year is the lack of up-tempo. When the offense is struggling, going to up-tempo almost always provides a spark. The argument against that is: it doesn't help the defense rest --- but going three and out, gaining only a couple yards isn't helping the defense at all. I'd also use up-tempo for the tush push at least 4 out of every 5 attempts.

As of right now, I wouldn't replace KP.

Heres a question...

Would Tanner McKee have thrown for more than 17 yards in the 2nd half ? 🤔

Eagles nation. Ask yourselves this....

2 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

Heres a question...

Would Tanner McKee have thrown for more than 17 yards in the 2nd half ? 🤔

Eagles nation. Ask yourselves this....

Quite possibly- we don’t know. It’s also very possible he would get nothing going in the first half and/or turn the ball over a couple of times so Bills win.

Hurts was not good, but he is the established Super Bowl winning franchise QB here. We don’t know what McKee is, but he won’t be starting here.

10 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I'm not there yet with KP. I can't help noticing more execution issues than play-calling issues. I also believe Hurts has more "say" in the plays than people want to believe and the offense clearly is built around what Jalen likes to do. Changes made this season that I feel have been positive are the higher percentage of under center plays and the addition of the shovel pass. The run game has been disappointing this year, but IMO, it started with the injury to BVS, whom I believe was to have a noticeably bigger role this season. He appeared to be a very good FB in his limited snaps last season. We also just didn't have a TE2 that can block, so bringing Fred Johnson in as that guy was great --- until injuries forced him to start/play OT. In other words, things didn't go according to plan, the running game suffered, making everything more difficult.

Things I don't like this year is the lack of up-tempo. When the offense is struggling, going to up-tempo almost always provides a spark. The argument against that is: it doesn't help the defense rest --- but going three and out, gaining only a couple yards isn't helping the defense at all. I'd also use up-tempo for the tush push at least 4 out of every 5 attempts.

As of right now, I wouldn't replace KP.

Yes, this has been my impression all season (especially the BVS loss). We don’t know the play that is called and then any subsequent change at the LOS. The execution by the line has been atrocious in the run game. On the season, the pass block win rate is 63% which is 17th in the league which isn’t ideal for a QB like Hurts who tends to hold on to the ball longer looking for the bigger play. Run block win rate is 72% which is 14th in the league, again not ideal. Now, how much of that dip is due to injury and how much is because the defense knows what’s coming would be nice to know, but that’s impossible to ascertain. When the self scouting starts in earnest this offseason, the hope is that they are honest with their evaluation and can determine if KP was in over his head. My gut tells me these win rates have dropped because Hurts isn’t a runner this season, so it’s 10 v 11 football. While that seems like nuance, it’s a huge difference year over year and it suggests that the linemen are about league average in a conventional offense (Lane being the exception). If Hurts isn’t going to be a running threat, then the offense (and Hurts) must evolve into a quick read and throw offense.

6 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

Heres a question...

Would Tanner McKee have thrown for more than 17 yards in the 2nd half ? 🤔

Eagles nation. Ask yourselves this....

The answer is no. He didn't play because he's the backup. Last year he was the 3rd QB behind Hurts and Pickett. If he wants to play in a meaningful game, he'll have to win the starting role or wait for an injury.

If you're asking the question, "would the Eagles offense look different if built around McKee?" I'd answer, "yes," because he has a different skillset. Would some people prefer a different offense? Obviously, some would.

Patullo needs to be let go right away. CLEARLY he is incompetent as an OC. Everything needs to be evaluated in the offseason. EVERYTHING.
Even the O line coach- Jeff Stoutland. Nobody mentions him, because he is like a god here. But he isn't doing his job this year. Evaluate him.

Every player on the O line. The WR's seem ok. The QB? Evaluate. Siri's incompetence in not being able to identify and correct problems- evaluate.

Evaluate and either light a fire under these people, or let them go and replace them. And now I hate the word "evaluate." Thanks, Eagles org.

8 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

Heres a question...

Would Tanner McKee have thrown for more than 17 yards in the 2nd half ? 🤔

Eagles nation. Ask yourselves this....

Possibly. But there were videos breaking down the 2nd half offense showing that either no one was open (bad scheme, routes, play calling) to begin with. Patullo was calling runs on 1st and 2nd down despite the Bills playing defense for the run, and running right into it for little to no gain. That makes 3rd down an obvious passing down. Very predictable play calling. Smitty had a catch that was called incomplete and also had a drop. The rest the O line had poor blocking, the pocket collapsed and Hurts had to run for his life. Video below.

I do think that a more natural passer would make the offense different, but you also trade out running ability and Hurts clutch factor. We don't know enough about McKee in a lot of regular season action with the first team yet. I like McKee and if Hurts were to go out, I'm confident he would get the job done. He's a good #2. But if the O line isn't blocking for him like this, and no receivers are open, and the OC is putting him in a bad position because the play calling is bad and predictable, with the rain conditions on the road against a good team, it's hard to say. Maybe some of the passes would have gone different and resulted in more yards. But also maybe McKee doesn't elude the pass rush and collapsed pocket as well. Maybe no threat of running QB changes how the defense shows up. There are different factors.

The O line and run game have issues too. But regarding the QB they have a double problem. Hurts is never going to be a top passer in the league, he's going to have lower pass stats but has the dual threat and clutch factor. So you need a good OC that knows how to play to his strengths. Patullo has been here so should know better, but he had never called plays. They are stuck with Hurts contract so they need coaching that plays to his strengths. If they had a different QB who were a better pure passer putting up more pass yards and pass TDs, that would help the coaching. But they've got the wrong match of OC with QB. Steichen and even Brian Johnson got more out of the passing game. After the 2023 collapse, Siri has been playing conservative and scared to turn the ball over. Last year they added Barkley and the O line dominated so they leaned on that and defense. At times, they opened up the pass game when they needed to. But that doesn't allow the pass game to gain any rhythm either. So I think there are problems with the QB but also the coaching and since the QB isn't changing anytime soon, the coaching has to be fixed.

They should have made Patullo go into the coaching box mid-season. It would be easier to scan the field and see what is going on. The communication issue is a non factor. Plenty of OC's are in the box. They have a direct line to the QBs headset. Patullo is so horrible with his playcalling that this could not have been a worse situation. He is a first year coordinator. He has no experience compared to guys like Reid, McVay and Shanahan. Those guys think many plays in advance. Patullo seems like he is guessing what to do after each play.

There is no such thing as a natural NFL passer. It’s the hardest job in sports.

Giovanni Carmazzi was a natural passer.

McKee would have been slaughtered or forced turnovers.

To think he is ready for that kind of game with Patullo and that O-line is just astounding ignorance.

He is going to kill DC because DC is garbage.