Much better game against an inferior opponent that looks to be going through the motions to get to the offseason.

When Hurts uses his legs, the offense is totally different. And when the offense goes through Hurts as a runner instead of AJ as a receiver, this is the result. We’ve seen 3 weeks of AJ at 100 yards plus, and we went 0-3 and Hurts looked like Bobby Hoying.

Hurts is not and never will be a classic QB with a very high football IQ and anticipation. He’s never been in the mold of Manning or Brady. If the plan is to mold this offense into a more traditional offense, then bench him. He won’t give you the best chance with his skill set. If Hurts himself refuses to run, then bench him, because that is what makes him special. But what we saw against the Raiders can be duplicated against any other team in the NFL. That style of offense gives any defense fits.

I would like to see Hurts retire his little "glide" step when running sideways. He's not super quick, but is surprisingly fast once he's running. Nobody is biting on that move and it's giving defenders a chance to close on him.

6 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I would like to see Hurts retire his little "glide" step when running sideways. He's not super quick, but is surprisingly fast once he's running. Nobody is biting on that move and it's giving defenders a chance to close on him.

Yeah I think he’s a good runner but more often than not you see him with that sidestep or fake or whatever it is and it doesn’t work. He’s actually much better at cutting back inside I think and I’d like to see a bit more of that. But honestly it was just so great to see him back running more.

9 hours ago, VeeMak said:

Much better game against an inferior opponent that looks to be going through the motions to get to the offseason.

When Hurts uses his legs, the offense is totally different. And when the offense goes through Hurts as a runner instead of AJ as a receiver, this is the result. We’ve seen 3 weeks of AJ at 100 yards plus, and we went 0-3 and Hurts looked like Bobby Hoying.

Hurts is not and never will be a classic QB with a very high football IQ and anticipation. He’s never been in the mold of Manning or Brady. If the plan is to mold this offense into a more traditional offense, then bench him. He won’t give you the best chance with his skill set. If Hurts himself refuses to run, then bench him, because that is what makes him special. But what we saw against the Raiders can be duplicated against any other team in the NFL. That style of offense gives any defense fits.

He won the Super Bowl.

On 12/14/2025 at 10:41 AM, eagle45 said:

Any QB currently collecting a paycheck...including most of the NCAA ones that now collect paychecks....could get plugged into an NFL offense for 17 games and throw for 3,600 yards.

Yeah, but Hurts also doesn't have a ton of attempts. Herbert has 54 more attempts and only 200 more yards passing on the season than Jalen. Stafford, the frontrunner for MVP has 73 more attempts, as their offense airs it out a lot. I'm OK with the limited pass yards as long as he's efficient. He was very efficient this season until they started forcing it to AJ. Also, Lamar has only cracked 4k passing yards once in his career, and he's already hailed as one of the best QB's to ever do it.

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Yeah, but Hurts also doesn't have a ton of attempts. Herbert has 54 more attempts and only 200 more yards passing on the season than Jalen. Stafford, the frontrunner for MVP has 73 more attempts, as their offense airs it out a lot. I'm OK with the limited pass yards as long as he's efficient. He was very efficient this season until they started forcing it to AJ. Also, Lamar has only cracked 4k passing yards once in his career, and he's already hailed as one of the best QB's to ever do it.

Sometimes people need to be careful of what they wish for. Some of these guys are really good until teams start getting film on them. You play this game to win. Jalen Hurts is 55-25 in career starts with two Super Bowl appearances, and a Super Bowl victory. Some people I guess assume every team does that. Talk to a Cleveland Browns fan and I am sure you will get a different reaction.

15 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

He won the Super Bowl.

And was named the MVP of said Super Bowl. Does that absolve him from any critiques?

18 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

And was named the MVP of said Super Bowl. Does that absolve him from any critiques?

To them? Yes

52 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

And was named the MVP of said Super Bowl. Does that absolve him from any critiques?

34 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

To them? Yes

Hurts deserves criticism, but he has a sufficient career resume (including two incredibly strong Super Bowl performances) where the questions regarding whether he is our franchise quarterback and whether he should be benched for McKee are unwarranted.

1 hour ago, VeeMak said:

And was named the MVP of said Super Bowl. Does that absolve him from any critiques?

No, but he’s not the only person on this roster who has struggled this season, he’s led the team to 9 wins, and he’s had past successes. He had the worst game of his career and the clown show starts with pleading for backups again. Is that necessary?

26 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Hurts deserves criticism, but he has a sufficient career resume (including two incredibly strong Super Bowl performances) where the questions regarding whether he is our franchise quarterback and whether he should be benched for McKee are unwarranted.

Are you talking about the team wins?

He has shown, you cannot expect him the throw 30+ times a game. He is not that QB. 8 of 9 wins he has thrown last then 30 times. The Rams game he threw 32 times. We scored with less than 2 minutes left to take the lead. That is not a mistake.

On 12/15/2025 at 9:07 AM, brkmsn said:

I would like to see Hurts retire his little "glide" step when running sideways. He's not super quick, but is surprisingly fast once he's running. Nobody is biting on that move and it's giving defenders a chance to close on him.

I honestly hate when he does that. Not sure why he started doing it, but it surprises no one and usually leads to a loss or little gain. Another thing I have noticed is that Jalen doesn't like to throw the ball away as much as he did before. I see him run out of bounds or go down losing yards. Just throw the ball away and don't take unnecessary losses. Oh, and look @VeeMak I criticized Jalen Hurts! Not a difficult thing to do, and it doesn't have to be extreme.

49 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I honestly hate when he does that. Not sure why he started doing it, but it surprises no one and usually leads to a loss or little gain. Another thing I have noticed is that Jalen doesn't like to throw the ball away as much as he did before. I see him run out of bounds or go down losing yards. Just throw the ball away and don't take unnecessary losses. Oh, and look @VeeMak I criticized Jalen Hurts! Not a difficult thing to do, and it doesn't have to be extreme.

Late in 2023, Hurts had a bad habit of self sacking himself. I’ve noticed he’s done it a few times this year in recent weeks just not as often. He needs to stop that.

1 minute ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Late in 2023, Hurts had a bad habit of self sacking himself. I’ve noticed he’s done it a few times this year in recent weeks just not as often. He needs to stop that.

There is plenty to criticize when it comes to Jalen, but I really would like to see some consistency at his OC spot. I mean can we get at least two seasons with him and the OC? That's why I would rather KP just improves and stays. I want to see he and Jalen figure it out together.

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I honestly hate when he does that. Not sure why he started doing it, but it surprises no one and usually leads to a loss or little gain. Another thing I have noticed is that Jalen doesn't like to throw the ball away as much as he did before. I see him run out of bounds or go down losing yards. Just throw the ball away and don't take unnecessary losses. Oh, and look @VeeMak I criticized Jalen Hurts! Not a difficult thing to do, and it doesn't have to be extreme.

What are you tagging me for? I don’t care if you love Hurts, hate him, or gargle his cawk and bawls.

40 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

What are you tagging me for? I don’t care if you love Hurts, hate him, or gargle his cawk and bawls.

41 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

What are you tagging me for? I don’t care if you love Hurts, hate him, or gargle his cawk and bawls.

Don’t care who or what you gargle, but don’t project that on me. Are you not the one who ASSumes I have issues with Jalen getting criticized?

I mean, we could have Joe Burrow right now, who doesn't even appear to want to play football, lol. I'm all for criticism, but Hurts hasn't been all that bad, especially when you compare him to Lamar, Mahomes, and Burrow. Mahomes has been anything but the "goat" for 3 straight seasons now, yet he's still ranked #1 by many due to his past success. He's averaged double digit INTs for 3 straight seasons and has not thrown for over 30 TDs once. He and Jalen have the same amount of passing TDs this year, but Mahomes has 5 more INTs - and that's with Jalen giving out INTs like candy to trick or treaters vs the Chargers. Oh, and Hurts also has a higher QB rating than Mahomes for 2 seasons now.

Just now, MF POON said:

I mean, we could have Joe Burrow right now, who doesn't even appear to want to play football, lol. I'm all for criticism, but Hurts hasn't been all that bad, especially when you compare him to Lamar, Mahomes, and Burrow. Mahomes has been anything but the "goat" for 3 straight seasons now, yet he's still ranked #1 by many due to his past success. He's averaged double digit INTs for 3 straight seasons and has not thrown for over 30 TDs once. He and Jalen have the same amount of passing TDs this year, but Mahomes has 5 more INTs - and that's with Jalen giving out INTs like candy to trick or treaters vs the Chargers. Oh, and Hurts also has a higher QB rating than Mahomes for 2 seasons now.

Reminds me of how after one season Jayden Daniels and the Commanders were just anointed the team to beat in the East. Now look at him. Completely injury prone and he has a lower completion percentage than Jalen. To be clear Jalen deserves criticism for his play especially against the Chargers, but he’s not the only one. The most critical are the same clowns who tried to say the Eagles made the playoffs his first full season as the starter because of Kelce.

On 12/14/2025 at 9:41 AM, eagle45 said:

Any QB currently collecting a paycheck...including most of the NCAA ones that now collect paychecks....could get plugged into an NFL offense for 17 games and throw for 3,600 yards.

This 3600 theory fits an approximate football IQ level of buttered toast.

Brady Quinn was a 1st round pick and he could not throw for 3600 yards in 17 games. He averaged 130.

He could not throw for 3600 yards if the other teams played 10 on D.

Shedeur is on a pace for about 3570 with 49 sacks for -423 yards with 19 TDs and 21 picks. If he survived the 49 sacks and did not get benched on merit.

These are the elite of college football.

Next you have to factor in that 27 out of 32 college QBs would be beaten, broken, and humiliated if they tried to play in the NFL.

No one is given 17 games, you have to earn them.

Jaxson Dart was the Giants starter from week 3 on. He has 1802 yards in 12 weeks (3 of which he could not get on the field)

He's going for his 7th concussion check?

That's a first round pick on a 17 game pace as the starter of 2552 of partial play which is all he can do or 3403 if by some miracle he could get out for 17.

This was the 2nd QB drafted.

How's Jayden Daniels doing on that 3600 yards this year. They just plugged him in again.

Nick Foles was a SB MVP and he could never stay on the field for more than 11 starts.

He never had even 2900 yards passing.

Dak Prescott is probably going to be a 60k+ career passer.

He missed 3600 in 3 of his past 6 seasons.

CJ Stroud is not hitting 3600 this year. Are HUNDREDS of current college QBs better and tougher than CJ Stroud?

HUNDREDS of QBs are getting paid in college but we can assume your ignorance of that fact since it goes well with all the NFL ignorance.

Justin Fields is on his 5th year as an NFL starter and his best is 2562. He was picked 11th overall.

Teddy Bridgewater was a 1st round pick. He topped 3600 yards once in five tries and went 4-11 when he did it.

Kyler Murray, 1st overall pick, is 1 for his last 4 at hitting 3600 yards.

Daniel Jones is 0 for 7 at 3600 yards passing.

The guy who took Hurts job at 'bama is 1 for 6 at throwing for 3600 yards. 5th overall

Wentz was 3 for 7 at hitting 3600 yards. 2nd overall

The 4 best regular season winners in the current NFL are Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, and Hurts (Hurts pulls ahead of Allen if he beats Buffalo)

They all run the ball. Mahomes has 2665 rushing yards and 29 TDs and he scrambles all over the place.

He had 606 rushing yards and 7 rushing TDs in the playoffs.

The other 3 will murder you on the ground. Every one of those yards counts as much as a passing yard.

You can't consistently win like pocket Tom Brady in the modern NFL unless you are actually Tom Brady.

No one else does.

Rivers was a .500 QB his last 11 seasons but those 4000+ yard seasons looked good in the highlights of all the losses.

Rivers was 25-7 when he didn't throw for 3600+ and 109-99 when he did.

Brees won the SB in his 11th best passing yards season.

He was 59-52 with the Saints when he led the league in passing.

He was 83-34 when he did not.

Here is a 510 yards passing Brees game: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200611190nor.htm

Rodgers is 22-26 the last 4 years.

Joe Burrow is 17-15 over the last 3 seasons.

Matt Stafford is 3 games above Eli .500 for his career and was 22-18 from 2022-2024 with Sean McVay as his coach.

Goff was 18-13 over 2 years when McVay dumped him.

Hurts was 14-1 in 2022

He was 12-3 in 2024.

In his down years of 2023 and 2025? He is 20-11

Josh Allen had 47 picks from 2021-2023. He also ran for 2048 and 28 TDs so he went 35-15 anyway.

You can keep your imaginary 3600 rando.

I like our elite regular season wins and efficiency QB and SB MVP.

23 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Reminds me of how after one season Jayden Daniels and the Commanders were just anointed the team to beat in the East. Now look at him. Completely injury prone and he has a lower completion percentage than Jalen. To be clear Jalen deserves criticism for his play especially against the Chargers, but he’s not the only one. The most critical are the same clowns who tried to say the Eagles made the playoffs his first full season as the starter because of Kelce.

Jayden Daniels is an interesting study. It's a little early to definitively conclude he's injury prone. He came into the NFL older and more mature than average rookie QBs and the pressure didn't seem to affect him . He's a true dual-threat QB and that prevented teams from really going after him all game long. The coaches in year 1 wisely had him mostly throwing short, high completion % passes and if he didn't have an open target right away, he was successful taking off running. He had a couple miracle passes that connected and his legend grew. All the good fortune didn't carryover into his 2nd year. Obviously injuries plagued him in 2025 and, IMO, his HC is to blame. He should not have been playing late in a 4th quarter blowout loss and should not have been rushed back on to the field before that type of injury was fully healed. Daniels has all the physical tools to grow into a great NFL QB in time. Obviously it's fair to question his durability right now. But more than that, I question his desire to improve, his desire to want to be elite. Playing around with a basketball in pregame warmups, may help get him loose, but it won't make him a better QB.

Jalen Hurts, on the other hand, has proven to be extremely durable. He's also laser focused on continually getting better. Like every QB, he may have a bad game now and then, but people are usually nitpicking games where he actually played well, but simply didn't have enough passing yards for the critics. Jalen is human, imperfect, but he has been our most reliable player since he became the starter. Fans always want more, more, more ... What matters the most, though?

Playoffs

Season	Age	Team	Lg	Pos	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Succ%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	Sk	Yds	Sk%	NY/A	ANY/A	4QC	GWD	Awards
2021	23	PHI	NFL	QB	1	1	0-1-0	23	43	53.5	258	1	2.3	2	4.7	10	28.9	35	6.0	4.37	11.2	258.0	60.0	2	14	4.44	5.42	3.87	0	0
2022	24	PHI	NFL	QB	3	3	2-1-0	58	87	66.7	579	3	3.4	0	0.0	25	42.9	45	6.7	7.34	10.0	193.0	96.9	4	8	4.40	6.27	6.93	0	0
2023	25	PHI	NFL	QB	1	1	0-1-0	25	35	71.4	250	1	2.9	0	0.0	9	34.2	55	7.1	7.71	10.0	250.0	100.9	3	16	7.89	6.16	6.68	0	0
2024	26	PHI	NFL	QB	4	4	4-0-0	65	91	71.4	726	5	5.5	1	1.1	35	49.0	46	8.0	8.58	11.2	181.5	108.6	13	100	12.50	6.02	6.55	0	0	SB MVP
4 Yrs					9	9	6-3-0	171	256	66.8	1813	10	3.9	3	1.2	79	41.7	55	7.1	7.34	10.6	201.4	95.4	22	138	7.91	6.03	6.26	0	0

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Jayden Daniels is an interesting study. It's a little early to definitively conclude he's injury prone. He came into the NFL older and more mature than average rookie QBs and the pressure didn't seem to affect him . He's a true dual-threat QB and that prevented teams from really going after him all game long. The coaches in year 1 wisely had him mostly throwing short, high completion % passes and if he didn't have an open target right away, he was successful taking off running. He had a couple miracle passes that connected and his legend grew. All the good fortune didn't carryover into his 2nd year. Obviously injuries plagued him in 2025 and, IMO, his HC is to blame. He should not have been playing late in a 4th quarter blowout loss and should not have been rushed back on to the field before that type of injury was fully healed. Daniels has all the physical tools to grow into a great NFL QB in time. Obviously it's fair to question his durability right now. But more than that, I question his desire to improve, his desire to want to be elite. Playing around with a basketball in pregame warmups, may help get him loose, but it won't make him a better QB.

Jalen Hurts, on the other hand, has proven to be extremely durable. He's also laser focused on continually getting better. Like every QB, he may have a bad game now and then, but people are usually nitpicking games where he actually played well, but simply didn't have enough passing yards for the critics. Jalen is human, imperfect, but he has been our most reliable player since he became the starter. Fans always want more, more, more ... What matters the most, though?

Playoffs

Season	Age	Team	Lg	Pos	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Succ%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	Sk	Yds	Sk%	NY/A	ANY/A	4QC	GWD	Awards
2021	23	PHI	NFL	QB	1	1	0-1-0	23	43	53.5	258	1	2.3	2	4.7	10	28.9	35	6.0	4.37	11.2	258.0	60.0	2	14	4.44	5.42	3.87	0	0
2022	24	PHI	NFL	QB	3	3	2-1-0	58	87	66.7	579	3	3.4	0	0.0	25	42.9	45	6.7	7.34	10.0	193.0	96.9	4	8	4.40	6.27	6.93	0	0
2023	25	PHI	NFL	QB	1	1	0-1-0	25	35	71.4	250	1	2.9	0	0.0	9	34.2	55	7.1	7.71	10.0	250.0	100.9	3	16	7.89	6.16	6.68	0	0
2024	26	PHI	NFL	QB	4	4	4-0-0	65	91	71.4	726	5	5.5	1	1.1	35	49.0	46	8.0	8.58	11.2	181.5	108.6	13	100	12.50	6.02	6.55	0	0	SB MVP
4 Yrs					9	9	6-3-0	171	256	66.8	1813	10	3.9	3	1.2	79	41.7	55	7.1	7.34	10.6	201.4	95.4	22	138	7.91	6.03	6.26	0	0

When it comes down to it for me it’s all about winning.

So obviously Jalen Hurts is about to become the first quarterback in the NFC East to win the division in consecutive seasons since McNabb and the Eagles did it from 2001-2004, and that’s impressive, but do you know what’s more impressive by the reigning SB MVP? When the Eagles win this division, Jalen Hurts will become the first (AND ONLY) quarterback in NFL history to have went to the playoffs in four consecutive seasons with four different play callers. So cry for your back ups all you want, (every year it seems) but the reality of the situation is HE IS THE EAGLES GUY. If you can’t handle it then you might want to find a new team. So this ASSumption that this type of stuff just always happens is blatantly false. No quarterback goes through these types of changes year after year and is always successful except Jalen Hurts.

Despite all the OCs he's had as an Eagle, the only real drastic change was going from the Pederson coaching staff to the Sirianni one. The offense has not undergone any significant changes since Sirianni gave up play-calling in his 1st season with the Eagles.

One thing that really bothers me is watching Hurts try to get down in a scramble, half way in between a slide and a I don't know what, and he catches his foot under his glute and injures himself. How does a professional athlete not know how to slide? I remember Vick having problems with it as well. He looks like my Grandma at 88 years old trying to sit down for a picknick. I can't get the image of him with his foot trapped under his ass sideways and then getting slammed by a LBr anyway.

Sidenote, last night Stafford threw for 450 yards, 3 TDs, and no picks or sacks and lost to Darnold who threw for 270 with 2 TDs, 2 INTs, and 4 sacks. Stats don't always tell the tale.