August 14, 20241 yr 29 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Atheists believe there is no God. As I said, that requires as much belief as almost any religion. As far as the 2nd part of your post, look at what happened in this thread. Someone posts a Christian message of positivity and what happened? Like moths to a flame, atheists stormed in to relentlessly attack Christianity and it's followers. I happen to disagree with the theology of the OP, have you seen me attack him for it? So who are the ones failing to let others live peacefully?? Thou should attend to the mote in thine own eye, sonny. You show us everyday your message of Christian positivity. You pretend you want to live in peace, but those words fall hollow from your lying pie hole.
August 14, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, Tnt4philly said: Mike would consider agnostic Christians heretics. He is afraid to read anything that doesn’t already fit his narrow mind. Mike has already been told to actually read the book about something from nothing, but he’d rather take the word of some apologist who tells him what to think. Agnostic Christian? By definition, that is insane and incongruent. If you're a Christian, you believe in God--period. Stop with this nonsense.
August 14, 20241 yr 25 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Thou should attend to the mote in thine own eye, sonny. You show us everyday your message of Christian positivity. You pretend you want to live in peace, but those words fall hollow from your lying pie hole. Me living in peace is telling your crackhead arse to STFU. Ah, serenity
August 14, 20241 yr 28 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: While atheist do not believe in a god, it doesn’t mean they believe there is no god at all. They simply, just haven’t seen evidence to believe in one. I don’t believe in a god, but I don’t know for sure. Whatever "higher power” is out there, it is evident it is 100% hands off. You're conflating agnosticism and atheism.
August 14, 20241 yr 20 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: You're conflating agnosticism and atheism. It’s possible to be both. I consider myself a mix of both.
August 14, 20241 yr 42 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: You're conflating agnosticism and atheism. I’m am not, one is about knowledge and knowing, one is about belief and believing. They are clearly different, and not mutually exclusive.
August 14, 20241 yr 49 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Me living in peace is telling your crackhead arse to STFU. Ah, serenity I know you confuse toaster and I quite a bit, but I’m the crackhead, he is the ex Catholic.
August 14, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said: I know you confuse toaster and I quite a bit, but I’m the crackhead, he is the ex Catholic. either way you're both sinners. unlike homosexuals.
August 14, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said: It’s possible to be both. I consider myself a mix of both. Explain to me how it is possible to believe in Jesus yet not have faith that there is a God. Quite literally everything Jesus teaches is based on this faith and it is the central tenet of Christianity. How many times did Jesus say "your faith has saved you"?? Christian agnosticism is an oxymoron.
August 14, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said: I’m am not, one is about knowledge and knowing, one is about belief and believing. They are clearly different, and not mutually exclusive. You're correct that faith and knowledge are different words with different meanings, but Christianity is quite literally built on faith with the understanding that humans cannot know God. To say that you are an agnostic Christian is to say that you follow Christ but don't quite believe anything he said.
August 14, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said: I know you confuse toaster and I quite a bit, but I’m the crackhead, he is the ex Catholic. I don't think Toaster was ever a Catholic and he earns the crackhead moniker every day
August 14, 20241 yr 38 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Explain to me how it is possible to believe in Jesus yet not have faith that there is a God. Quite literally everything Jesus teaches is based on this faith and it is the central tenet of Christianity. How many times did Jesus say "your faith has saved you"?? Christian agnosticism is an oxymoron. I wasn’t talking about Christian agnosticism. I was talking about your comment conflating atheism and agnosticism. It is possible to be both.
August 14, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Mike31mt said: Oh so you can't do it yourself then. Seems like my perspective on atheism was right on the money My post said this "The issue was perspective, your Christocentrism. It's the same with most religions "We are right, if you aren't part of the group, you are wrong." And you responded as above. Q.E.D.
August 14, 20241 yr 50 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Explain to me how it is possible to believe in Jesus yet not have faith that there is a God. Quite literally everything Jesus teaches is based on this faith and it is the central tenet of Christianity. Because believing something is true, and knowing something is true, are two different things.
August 14, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, Next_Up said: My post said this "The issue was perspective, your Christocentrism. It's the same with most religions "We are right, if you aren't part of the group, you are wrong." And you responded as above. Q.E.D. You said this: Your understanding of atheism from a lens of Christianity as the only way to understand atheism. Typical So I asked you to point out where I've gone wrong and you only respond with platitudes. And again, I could point to you a hundred examples on this thread where it is the atheists who are the ones taking the "I'm right and if you're religious then you're wrong" stance.
August 14, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Because believing something is true, and knowing something is true, are two different things. You can take "knowing" out of the equation on all sides, cant you? Neither atheist nor Christian truly knows and both admit it. That is my point. Being a Christian is having faith without knowing. That's what Catholics call the "mystery of faith".
August 14, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Mike31mt said: You can take "knowing" out of the equation on all sides, cant you? Neither atheist nor Christian truly knows and both admit it. That is my point. Being a Christian is having faith without knowing. That's what Catholics call the "mystery of faith". Atheists also call it the "mystery of faith"
August 14, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, Next_Up said: Atheists also call it the "mystery of faith" As I said atheism requires just as much faith as Christianity, if not more. To me, the existence of a creator makes more sense than matter spontaneously creating itself from nothing.
August 14, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Mike31mt said: You can take "knowing" out of the equation on all sides, cant you? Neither atheist nor Christian truly knows and both admit it. That is my point. Being a Christian is having faith without knowing. That's what Catholics call the "mystery of faith". No Mike, you just don’t get to throw our words because you don’t like their meaning. There are theists and atheists who claim to know for certain that there is or is not a god.
August 14, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: No Mike, you just don’t get to throw our words because you don’t like their meaning. There are theists and atheists who claim to know for certain that there is or is not a god. Who "claim" to know for certain, but they can't actually know for certain, can they?
August 14, 20241 yr 7 hours ago, Mike31mt said: Me living in peace is telling your crackhead arse to STFU. Ah, serenity Man, just like Jesus. It is uncanny.
August 14, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Man, just like Jesus. It is uncanny. even satan can speak the scriptures.
August 14, 20241 yr 27 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: even satan can speak the scriptures. True. Mike could be a demon, which would explain Trump love and being okay with people knowing you are from WV.
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