November 16, 20231 yr Author 13 minutes ago, Toastrel said: So people in a lake of fire is not being tortured? Interesting point of view. The "Lake of Fire" (LOF) is a figurative manner of speech. It's not a literal "lake of fire". In studying the Bible, we can glean that the LOF is describing a process of purification.
November 16, 20231 yr Author 9 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: Bill is hilarious! I think we will all share our collective experiences here on Earth. For what purpose? Well, I believe that God allows us to be lost - for a period of time. Why? I believe his lesson for us is to learn that following him is the best and only way to live and, if one looks at the world around them, it's obvious that we cannot govern ourselves. After having lived in this world we will be truly able to appreciate God's goodness and love for us. How would we be able to enjoy the light if we had never experienced darkness? Isaiah 45:7 I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the Lord, who does all these things.
November 16, 20231 yr Author Jesus said "the gates of Hell will not prevail". Matthew 16:18 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock[a] I will build my church, and the gates of hell[b] shall not prevail against it. In ancient times, a force could defeat an enemy by overcoming the gates to their fortress. Jesus was communicating that his church, which he leads, WILL overcome the gates of Hell and save ALL people!
November 16, 20231 yr 27 minutes ago, Christian Eagle said: The "Lake of Fire" (LOF) is a figurative manner of speech. It's not a literal "lake of fire". In studying the Bible, we can glean that the LOF is describing a process of purification. Got it, thrown alive into a lake of fire that burns with sulphur, doesn't mean an actual lake of fire that burns with sulphur.
November 16, 20231 yr Author I spread this message because I believe that the vast majority of mainstream Christianity believes and teaches that some, many, or most people will be tortured forever by God. Such beliefs and teachings are unbiblical. Sadly, most English Bibles have been badly translated from the original scriptures. Bad translations have created bad doctrines, such as forever punishment.
November 16, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said: Why does god hate amputees? He doesn't hate amputees. He loves them enough that he let some of them into heaven early. A divine leg up, if you will.
November 16, 20231 yr It seems every line in the Bible means whatever the reader decides it needs to mean, as long as it justifies his or her position.
November 16, 20231 yr Author 2 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Got it, thrown alive into a lake of fire that burns with sulphur, doesn't mean an actual lake of fire that burns with sulphur. Sulphur was and is a refining agent. The authors of the scriptures were describing a refining process and that is why they included refining terms such as sulphur, brimstone, and torment in the scriptures.
November 16, 20231 yr Just now, paco said: I don't think god loves me. I have not won the lottery even once. He loves you, he just doesn't like you.
November 16, 20231 yr Author 2 minutes ago, Boogyman said: It seems every line in the Bible means whatever the reader decides it needs to mean, as long as it justifies his or her position. Even theologians disagree on interpretations. This is all a part of God's plan. He allows us to be blind, lost, and divided for a period of time.
November 16, 20231 yr Author 2 minutes ago, paco said: I don't think god loves me. I have not won the lottery even once. Proverbs 28:6 Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity than a rich man who is crooked in his ways.
November 16, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, Christian Eagle said: Proverbs 28:6 Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity than a rich man who is crooked in his ways. I don't mind being crooked. I do mind being a poor.
November 16, 20231 yr Author Why should you believe that Jesus will save ALL people? Because God told us in the Bible. Here is one verse, for now. There are more which I will share. 1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive,[a] because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of ALL people, especially of those who believe.
November 16, 20231 yr God is omnipotent and all powerful. God creates the Earth in 6 days and rests. Creates humans and they procreate. God has to listen to millions of muling, self absorbed, small minded, creations ask for him to solve their problems every instant of every day after his miraculous work. God is in hell. God offs itself. Stupid talking monkeys continue perfecting what what stupid talking monkeys do and now share in God's experience of listening to millions of muling, self absorbed, small minded creations on social media every instant of every day.
November 16, 20231 yr 5 minutes ago, paco said: I don't think god loves me. I have not won the lottery even once. plus you have a mustang mach-e.
November 16, 20231 yr 4 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: plus you have a mustang mach-e. Fair, it's not all bad over here.
November 16, 20231 yr 12 minutes ago, paco said: Fair, it's not all bad over here. at the very least, god is meh when it comes to you.
November 16, 20231 yr Author God is a REFINER! What is he refining? US! Please allow me to share a plethora of scripture that demonstrates that God is indeed a refiner! Isa 54:15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake. 16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy. Malachi 3:2-3 esv But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap. 3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, and they will bring offerings in righteousness to the Lord. 1 John 3:3 esv And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure. Mark 9:49 For everyone will be salted with fire. Hebrews 1:3 ESV He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, Zechariah 13:9 And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call upon my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people’; and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’” 1 Peter 1:7 esv So that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ. Isaiah 1:25 esv I will turn my hand against you and will smelt away your dross as with lye and remove all your alloy. Isaiah 48:10 esv Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tried you in the furnace of affliction Psalm 66:10 esv For you, O God, have tested us; you have tried us as silver is tried. Proverbs 17:3 esv The crucible is for silver, and the furnace is for gold, and the Lord tests hearts. Job 23:10 esv But he knows the way that I take; when he has tried me, I shall come out as gold. Jeremiah 9:7 esv Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts: "Behold, I will refine them and test them, for what else can I do, because of my people? Jeremiah 6:29 esv The bellows blow fiercely; the lead is consumed by the fire; in vain the refining goes on, for the wicked are not removed. Proverbs 25:4 esv Take away the dross from the silver, and the smith has material for a vessel Revelation 19:20 YLT and the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet who did the signs before him, in which he led astray those who did receive the mark of the beast, and those who did bow before his image; living they were cast -- the two -- to the lake of the fire, that is burning with brimstone 2 Corinthians 3:18 esv And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit. Revelation 20:10 YLT and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages. Revelation 3:18 esv I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see. 1 Peter 5:10 esv And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you. Titus 2:14 esv Who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works. Ezekiel 22:18-22 esv Son of man, the house of Israel has become dross to me; all of them are bronze and tin and iron and lead in the furnace; they are dross of silver. Therefore thus says the Lord God: Because you have all become dross, therefore, behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. As one gathers silver and bronze and iron and lead and tin into a furnace, to blow the fire on it in order to melt it, so I will gather you in my anger and in my wrath, and I will put you in and melt you. I will gather you and blow on you with the fire of my wrath, and you shall be melted in the midst of it. As silver is melted in a furnace, so you shall be melted in the midst of it, and you shall know that I am the Lord; I have poured out my wrath upon you.” (Note: The Book of Ezekiel was written five or six hundred years before Christ appeared. Again, notice how various authors of scripture all say the same things. That is because of God!) Psalm 12:6 esv The words of the Lord are pure words, like silver refined in a furnace on the ground, purified seven times. Revelation 14:10 esv He also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
November 16, 20231 yr 9 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: at the very least, god is meh when it comes to you. Well now I know what I'm putting on my tombstone
November 16, 20231 yr 43 minutes ago, Christian Eagle said: Even theologians disagree on interpretations. This is all a part of God's plan. He allows us to be blind, lost, and divided for a period of time. Sounds like an extremely convenient plan. Hard pass
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