1 hour ago, opa-opa said:

Btw im not sure but i think this team is really starting to miss Hargrave. Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter have not been able to replace his production.

You mean likely defensive rookie of the year Jalen Carter? That guy who returned a fumble for six last week, and who blocks field goals and nearly intercepted a damn spike? That Jalen Carter? 

Edited to say that yes, of course, we miss the production of a guy like Hargrave. But no team has all-pro at every position. I think Reddick has been better than his numbers, Sweat is playing well (even if he is playing too many snaps) and Jordan Davis still has plenty of time to come good. It´s not all about the moment, you have to plan and strategise for the medium and long term as well

Is that legit? I believe it could be but that's so wild I could believe it's a fake as well 

19 hours ago, Procus said:

This is such a BS thread.  Dallas lost 42-10 to SF.  Niners lost three in a row to the Browns, Vikings and Bengals.  Such fair weather fans in Philly.  Just buckle up and enjoy the ride.  Eagles are still a good team.

I would go farther to say that this is a GREAT team! 

Personnel can only overcome crap coaching for so long though. 

1 hour ago, Procus said:

Source please? 

On 12/12/2023 at 12:51 AM, weko said:

The players know the 25 year old analytic guys are supplying the coaches with the game plans.

That news is breaking.  Howie is basically supplying inferior analytic game plans to the coaches and they are required to follow them.

The players are fed up.  The wheels are falling off 

I don't know if or to what extent Howie's Analytics whiz kids are influencing the game planning. If they are to any significant extent, that might explain why the Eagles have trouble hiring top notch coaching candidates.  Can you imagine a Sean Payton or a Dan Quinn agreeing to let Analytics guys influence game planning to any great extent as a condition of employment? I don't think so either. Look at what the Analytics guys put out and choose how much if any to use? Sure, but they wouldn't want to hear from the second floor of NovaCare if they choose to ignore whiz kids' input entirely.

45 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

I don't know if or to what extent Howie's Analytics whiz kids are influencing the game planning. If they are to any significant extent, that might explain why the Eagles have trouble hiring top notch coaching candidates.  Can you imagine a Sean Payton or a Dan Quinn agreeing to let Analytics guys influence game planning to any great extent as a condition of employment? I don't think so either. Look at what the Analytics guys put out and choose how much if any to use? Sure, but they wouldn't want to hear from the second floor of NovaCare if they choose to ignore whiz kids' input entirely.

I don't believe howie is in there telling them what plays to run. younger coaches like to do analytics a lot. However, some of this has to be on hurts. there are open checkdowns on a lot of these plays and he just doesn't do it because he things he can get a td every time. that mentality has to change. sometimes a 5 yrd gain is enough. that is not to say that johnson is doing a good job. he is not. he is making it harder on hurts by not creating plays that get players open. 

people talk about the rookie wall. this is the rookie coaches wall that they have hit. they just have to fight through it.

1 hour ago, eglz1 said:

I don't know if or to what extent Howie's Analytics whiz kids are influencing the game planning. If they are to any significant extent, that might explain why the Eagles have trouble hiring top notch coaching candidates.  Can you imagine a Sean Payton or a Dan Quinn agreeing to let Analytics guys influence game planning to any great extent as a condition of employment? I don't think so either. Look at what the Analytics guys put out and choose how much if any to use? Sure, but they wouldn't want to hear from the second floor of NovaCare if they choose to ignore whiz kids' input entirely.

One of those kids being the owners son, yet they tried to downplay the impact years back.

1 hour ago, Birdman said:

Source please? 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-statistical-review-week-14-team-tiers-dropback-outcomes-2023

On 12/11/2023 at 6:43 AM, time2rock said:

opa is likely right … it does look as though the players are losing faith with this coaching staff 

Our immediate issues are OC. He has to go. The talent is there on Offensive Side of the ball to do much better job..... with the right OC.

On the defensive side it is injuries, and regressing talent that is biting us. But we could OK if Offense was not so badly prepared and managed. They need a simplified... Run downhill game plan to be the stamp of a base offense. 

13 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

They need a simplified... 

I realize I cut off the 2nd part of your point, but I wanted to address this. They can't get any more simple. Simplicity is the source of their problems. This was a good offense for Jalen when he was acclimating to the NFL, but he has improved and has "outgrown" the need for simplicity. With his accuracy (which has improved drastically) they can do so much more if they were willing to phase new elements in. Adding new elements will make the base things easier as defenses have to adjust.

On 12/12/2023 at 7:14 PM, Procus said:

This is such a BS thread.  Dallas lost 42-10 to SF.  Niners lost three in a row to the Browns, Vikings and Bengals.  Such fair weather fans in Philly.  Just buckle up and enjoy the ride.  Eagles are still a good team.

Everything you say is true.  However, the offensive criticism and inconsistency have been mentioned all year long.  The eagles are a good team with loads of talent......but when everybody sees that they aren't utilizing the talent, it's a problem.  Offensively, the eagles match up with the 49ers and the cowpies.  But their offenses produce better than the eagles.

The eagles have a problem because the stagnation comes from the coordinator.......he simply is not using the talent to the maximum effect.  He hasn't all season......

Nobody is jumping ship......but when you get destroyed by your 2 biggest playoff threats, lose the 1st round bye and the division lead in 2 consecutive games, that should sound alarms.

And when these issues have been brought up all year, what makes you think they're going to, all of a sudden, fix it?

19 hours ago, Procus said:

Makes no sense.  The other NFC East Teams have played the same schedule we have.  

19 hours ago, Birdman said:

I would go farther to say that this is a GREAT team! 

Personnel can only overcome crap coaching for so long though. 

We agree they are a very talented team and it's covered some crap coaching. When they play another very good team with very good coaching it's hard to overcome that.

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I realize I cut off the 2nd part of your point, but I wanted to address this. They can't get any more simple. Simplicity is the source of their problems. This was a good offense for Jalen when he was acclimating to the NFL, but he has improved and has "outgrown" the ne need for simplicity. With his accuracy (which has improved dramastically) they can do so much more if they were willing to phase new elements in. Adding new elements will make the base things easier as defenses have to adjust.

I am all in for adding more motion...But I was referring to smash mouth run game we used to have..when i said simplified. Eagles touted offensive line is more than good enough to move people, and we have multiple RBs that were never utilized. I was so happy to see Boston Scott is still alive, and that we have more than one RB on this team. Tired , very tired, watching Hurts pass, pass. pass and out from very beginning of the 1st Q. Want a forced ground attack into opposing defenders to be 60% of our game. 

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I realize I cut off the 2nd part of your point, but I wanted to address this. They can't get any more simple. Simplicity is the source of their problems. This was a good offense for Jalen when he was acclimating to the NFL, but he has improved and has "outgrown" the ne need for simplicity. With his accuracy (which has improved dramastically) they can do so much more if they were willing to phase new elements in. Adding new elements will make the base things easier as defenses have to adjust.

 

3 hours ago, The Norseman said:

Makes no sense.  The other NFC East Teams have played the same schedule we have.  

No they haven't.  We play a first place schedule. 

18 minutes ago, Procus said:

No they haven't.  We play a first place schedule. 

You're right.  I didn't realize there were slight variances based on previous record.

6 hours ago, time2rock said:

 

To be fair he has some plays with only 2 receivers in the pattern, you know, to catch defenses off guard.

On 12/11/2023 at 10:57 PM, NOTW said:

The Chiefs are lucky they won the Super Bowl, they should've lost to the Eagles. See how that works? 

Haha well, I'd say rigging the field to neutralize the Eagles pass rush is a little more than just "lucky" 😜

On 12/13/2023 at 6:37 AM, EazyEaglez said:

This is the guy who was supposed to be better than Gannon? 

So we were told ... uhhgghh

Staley has been fired by the Chargers. IIRC, he and Sirianni have some history… think Staley could help as a consultant on offense?

On 12/13/2023 at 10:59 AM, kiwinavega said:

You mean likely defensive rookie of the year Jalen Carter? That guy who returned a fumble for six last week, and who blocks field goals and nearly intercepted a damn spike? That Jalen Carter? 

Edited to say that yes, of course, we miss the production of a guy like Hargrave. But no team has all-pro at every position. I think Reddick has been better than his numbers, Sweat is playing well (even if he is playing too many snaps) and Jordan Davis still has plenty of time to come good. It´s not all about the moment, you have to plan and strategise for the medium and long term as well

Besides picking up a fumble caused by Cox i havent seen Jalen Carter do anything the last 3 games or so. In fact he was the lowest rated defensive player on the team in the last game.

46 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

Staley has been fired by the Chargers. IIRC, he and Sirianni have some history… think Staley could help as a consultant on offense?

Staley is a defense coach

33 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Staley is a defense coach

Welp, that would be a terrible idea then… 😂