6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Love Kelce, but look back over the years, and you will find that Kelce has supported every coach that’s been fired since he’s been here. 😂

Yup.  He defended Chip Kelly too!

Lurie usually gets these management decisions right.  He sees what we are seeing, and then some, so Siri will need to have some good answers and a clear path back to winning.  If he does somehow survive the slop we watched in the latter half of the season, will be a one year trial and no more.  And venture to say that Hurts is one year behind him.  Too many brain farts.

Anyone else checking twitter every 3 minutes to see if Siri got fired? 🤣

6 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

Anyone else checking twitter every 3 minutes to see if Siri got fired? 🤣

I was checking google like every hour today lol

Heard they have been in their meeting for over an hour. We should do a line at 5 hrs for the meeting. Over or under?

Is he back or fired? Why no news?

30 minutes ago, Soumak said:

Heard they have been in their meeting for over an hour. We should do a line at 5 hrs for the meeting. Over or under?

Was Jeffrey taking voluminous notes of what Nick was spewing? That was one of the most douchiest statements I ever heard. 

5 hours ago, Thing3 said:

The problem with the "fire Nick" mentality is that it's seems to be a shortsighted oversimplification of the issues that plagued this team. There is no guarantee a new coach is going to come in here and turn this ship around any faster then Nick can. It could actually make situations worse. Nick is a young coach and if the FO believes (based on the internal knowledge they have) that things can get corrected, then I tend feel he deserves that chance. A new coach is not going to change the analytics and they're certainly not going to change Lurie or Howie. Much of the personnel is locked in for years and aren't going anywhere either. In short, I don't believe there is a single point of failure and trying to pin it all on one person is missing the forest for the trees. The FO is in the best position to make that call. I'm not saying they are the best people to be making the call, only that they are in the best position to make it.

Yep. And like I've been saying, even IF part of what happened this year is Nick's scheme got figured out, that is a HUGE danger with EVERY young head coach because they don't have the schematic versatility that the more experienced ones do.

I've said this many times too - Doug had the ability to learn on his playing experience as a backup QB in like a billion systems to supplement his lack of coaching experience, and even HE got flanked originally by older guys he could learn from. And similarly notably, the FO was said to be involved with that. Doug had issues after Reich left to the point people were (falsely) saying that 'Ah, Reich was the true architect of the Super Bowl', and he only lost ONE coordinator WITH that extra playing experience to lean on.

So at the end of the day, if you fire Nick for 'got figured out on tape, not enough experience in the building to adapt', you literally can't hire any young coaches with that standard. You pretty much have to hire older ones if you want to fix that issue.

It just seems like a wild overreaction. Fans need to stop assuming that they know every single thing that goes on in the building and every dynamic.

7 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Yep. And like I've been saying, even IF part of what happened this year is Nick's scheme got figured out, that is a HUGE danger with EVERY young head coach because they don't have the schematic versatility that the more experienced ones do.

I've said this many times too - Doug had the ability to learn on his playing experience as a backup QB in like a billion systems to supplement his lack of coaching experience, and even HE got flanked originally by older guys he could learn from. And similarly notably, the FO was said to be involved with that. Doug had issues after Reich left to the point people were (falsely) saying that 'Ah, Reich was the true architect of the Super Bowl', and he only lost ONE coordinator WITH that extra playing experience to lean on.

So at the end of the day, if you fire Nick for 'got figured out on tape, not enough experience in the building to adapt', you literally can't hire any young coaches with that standard. You pretty much have to hire older ones if you want to fix that issue.

It just seems like a wild overreaction. Fans need to stop assuming that they know every single thing that goes on in the building and every dynamic.

Sirianni blows though. Who else gets blown out every game after starting 10-1 and injuries aren't even an excuse.

4 minutes ago, wrestlevessel said:

Sirianni blows though. Who else gets blown out every game after starting 10-1 and injuries aren't even an excuse.

This criteria is arbitrary and is not necessarily correlated with whether someone is good or not. So you're saying someone can just go 5-12 and be good, but this *specific* criteria of starting off well and then folding because you got figured out on tape is so egregious and unfounded that the person absolutely must be terrible with no room for redemption?

Why?

Why exactly does this specific criteria prove that? How does it prove that?

It making the fans feel bad or feel like their expectations got too high doesn't prove that. Coaches are human beings too, they all have strengths and weaknesses, and most importantly, they all can grow from experiences - they don't suddenly become stagnant and incapable of growth because they're head coaches.

People need to stop getting all up in their feelings about this kind of stuff. Did what happened suck? Yes. Was it embarrassing? Sure. Does it mean that all of a sudden Nick Sirianni did nothing, never did nothing, is a terrible coach, cannot grow, and is the worst coach in our modern history? No. That's an overreaction. crap happens. 

2 hours ago, wrestlevessel said:

Is he back or fired? Why no news?

Probably because as some media wise have pointed out, there's not really any incentive for them to confirm him officially coming back, and they don't want to offload Brian Johnson if someone is going to pluck him because of draft comp. Just because the fans are being wild doesn't really mean they need to address it directly. Which frankly, I agree with. 

15 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

This criteria is arbitrary and is not necessarily correlated with whether someone is good or not. So you're saying someone can just go 5-12 and be good, but this *specific* criteria of starting off well and then folding because you got figured out on tape is so egregious and unfounded that the person absolutely must be terrible with no room for redemption?

Why?

Why exactly does this specific criteria prove that? How does it prove that?

It making the fans feel bad or feel like their expectations got too high doesn't prove that. Coaches are human beings too, they all have strengths and weaknesses, and most importantly, they all can grow from experiences - they don't suddenly become stagnant and incapable of growth because they're head coaches.

People need to stop getting all up in their feelings about this kind of stuff. Did what happened suck? Yes. Was it embarrassing? Sure. Does it mean that all of a sudden Nick Sirianni did nothing, never did nothing, is a terrible coach, cannot grow, and is the worst coach in our modern history? No. That's an overreaction. crap happens. 

I don’t think it’s about how people feel. It’s about what we have seen on the field. What we have seen is 7+ weeks of unable to adjust to the blitz. 7+ weeks of not running the ball enough, 7+ weeks of players playing demoralized and disinterested, 7+ weeks of a defense that couldn’t even keep some of the worst team in the league from driving down the field over and over again and scoring, 7+ weeks of the worst time management we have seen ever. What more do you need to see to prove this is not an emotional decision but this is indeed a problem. It’s not just crap happens it’s not adjusting when crap happens. It’s not even getting players to play hard when crap happens.

32 minutes ago, Soumak said:

I don’t think it’s about how people feel. It’s about what we have seen on the field. What we have seen is 7+ weeks of unable to adjust to the blitz. 7+ weeks of not running the ball enough, 7+ weeks of players playing demoralized and disinterested, 7+ weeks of a defense that couldn’t even keep some of the worst team in the league from driving down the field over and over again and scoring, 7+ weeks of the worst time management we have seen ever. What more do you need to see to prove this is not an emotional decision but this is indeed a problem. It’s not just crap happens it’s not adjusting when crap happens. It’s not even getting players to play hard when crap happens.

The Eagles have a literal history of not adjusting to issues spanning across head coaches. Andy, Chip, and Doug were all stupidly stubborn about various things. I never said there wasn't any problems, what I said in that post was that the criteria mentioned doesn't prove the accusation I mentioned at the end of my post. It doesn't. It's a massive overreaction.

Nick doesn't coach defense, first of all. Second of all, unlike with Doug, he didn't get the FO assisted hookup of a DC that he could have around for 5 full years.

We literally have not had a coach that was good with adjustments in the entire time I've been watching ball, so basically since AR has been here. None of our coaches have ran the ball enough, except for maybe Chip.

Andy had AWFUL time management and frankly he still does.

It's massively about how people feel. People were more positive about Doug and Andy after they won 4 games than they are about Sirianni after the team got nearly 3 times that. Because of what? 7 tough weeks?

I'm not saying what was seen on the field is irrelevant, I'm saying the reaction, based on things the fanbase has experienced in the past and experiences of other teams, is not proportional to the problem as displayed so far. COULD it be proportional after what we see with more time? Sure. But as of right now, no, disproportionate.

Meanwhile all the good coaches are being interviewed and if fired we will pick up another project.I'm sick of the eagles projects, coaches, LB's....just ticked off and spewing probably more than Sarahani in today's meeting

16 hours ago, Thing3 said:

Fair points and I wasn't completely absolving coaching. There may have been more Nick could have done, or not done, that could have been helpful. The fact is we don't really know the root cause(s) for how this team played this year. If Nick wasn't the root cause then replacing him changes nothing. Some could, and are, pointing at Howie as having a major role. why should Nick have to fall on that sword? What about the many mistakes made by players....you can't bench most of the team. You seem to be suggesting that beatings should continue until moral improves.

The problem with the "fire Nick" mentality is that it's seems to be a shortsighted oversimplification of the issues that plagued this team. There is no guarantee a new coach is going to come in here and turn this ship around any faster then Nick can. It could actually make situations worse. Nick is a young coach and if the FO believes (based on the internal knowledge they have) that things can get corrected, then I tend feel he deserves that chance. A new coach is not going to change the analytics and they're certainly not going to change Lurie or Howie. Much of the personnel is locked in for years and aren't going anywhere either. In short, I don't believe there is a single point of failure and trying to pin it all on one person is missing the forest for the trees. The FO is in the best position to make that call. I'm not saying they are the best people to be making the call, only that they are in the best position to make it.

tl;dr version:    I think Sirianni's many shortcomings and epic 2023-2024 failures require parting ways with him.

long version:

I'm not suggesting that Sirianni is the root cause of all the problems. Some fall on player character, Roseman's poor replacements this year, and the ineptitude of the coordinators in their roles. What I'm suggesting is that there are aspects of the team that he is primarily responsible for, and he has observably failed in many of those areas. Team effort, problem solving, player development, game planning, play calling, philosophical adjustments based on opponent, professional bearing, and team discipline, to name a few. To me, those are not trivial matters to be glossed over or ignored.

I'm also not suggesting that the beatings should continue until morale improves. There hasn't been any beatings. In fact, due to Sirianni's apparent nature, there will never be one "beating", metaphoric or otherwise. He just offers hugs and fertilizer for the flower bed. He's a nice guy, a hug it out kind of guy, a guy who never makes players face any significant negative consequences for transgressions. He's sufficiently soft on players that they were half stepping most of this past season and nothing happened to them. That creates a cancer that'll poison and eat away at the team. In short, he is not sufficiently developed as a coach to hold the highest coaching position.

My guess is that while he may never be truly ready to succeed in that position, his chance came about 10 years too soon. He's an incredibly immature man whose professional bearing on game day is almost non existent. Mugging for the camera, yelling at opposing fans, etc. is absolutely embarrassing. I jokingly call him the Intern but that's not too far off it seems. He is like a kid with the keys to Dad's car or an Intern sitting in a C level office with real decision making power. He' not ready. It's too soon. Steichen left and the offense fell apart. Sirianni couldn't fix it. He failed. Looks like Shane was the offensive mastermind. What does that make Nick? Insufficient at offense, no meaningful defensive knowledge, no apparent ST knowledge. That makes him a speech giver and cheerleader. He doesn't seem particularly adept at those things either. That leaves one last position for him, figurehead.

The HC should be the most well rounded and knowledgeable coach on the staff. At the very least he should have a firm understanding of offensive, defensive, and ST strategy. He should be able to engage excellent coordinators in real time conversations that help solve problems. If he is just a figurehead whose coordinators are lightyears ahead of him, he probably shouldn't be the HC. I think that's where we are today. We see a grossly underdeveloped HC who needs experienced coordinators to fill in his knowledge gaps. 

Maybe this is all by design from Howie. Maybe an inept yes man is all Howie will accept so he can hold power in ways a GM should never hold. I don't know and I freely admit that. The thing is that whether by design or not, Sirianni is failing and there was not one single sign this season that the failure won't continue in perpetuity. In fact, that playoff game predicts more failure. Other than a few players giving their all for a new contract or something, the Eagles were a disinterested football team. He lost the team at the S.F. loss and never got it back. IMO, he's done, or at least he should be. Maybe give him another shot elsewhere when he's ready, if he ever gets ready. What I think doesn't matter at all. What Jeffrey Lurie thinks does matter. I'll wait for his decision. I hope it'll truly be in the team's best interest moving forward.

9 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's massively about how people feel. People were more positive about Doug and Andy after they won 4 games than they are about Sirianni after the team got nearly 3 times that. Because of what? 7 tough weeks?

To most on the outside it was more than "seven tough weeks". They played some of the worst team football in their entire history for those 7 weeks, non-competitive week after week, with a roster that for the most part was decent and on the offensive side possibly more talented than the prior years SB team or at least on par.

They now don't have cap flexibility, some of their best players are their oldest and they struggle to develop younger players and will have to look in the cheap free agent scrap pile once again. I have little confidence Siri can put a better product on the field next year with what will very likely be a less talented roster. I suspect the freefall will continue next season with him. Expectations are pretty low, the arrow is pointing down.

2 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

tl;dr version:    I think Sirianni's many shortcomings and epic 2023-2024 failures require parting ways with him.

long version:

I'm not suggesting that Sirianni is the root cause of all the problems. Some fall on player character, Roseman's poor replacements this year, and the ineptitude of the coordinators in their roles. What I'm suggesting is that there are aspects of the team that he is primarily responsible for, and he has observably failed in many of those areas. Team effort, problem solving, player development, game planning, play calling, philosophical adjustments based on opponent, professional bearing, and team discipline, to name a few. To me, those are not trivial matters to be glossed over or ignored.

I'm also not suggesting that the beatings should continue until morale improves. There hasn't been any beatings. In fact, due to Sirianni's apparent nature, there will never be one "beating", metaphoric or otherwise. He just offers hugs and fertilizer for the flower bed. He's a nice guy, a hug it out kind of guy, a guy who never makes players face any significant negative consequences for transgressions. He's sufficiently soft on players that they were half stepping most of this past season and nothing happened to them. That creates a cancer that'll poison and eat away at the team. In short, he is not sufficiently developed as a coach to hold the highest coaching position.

My guess is that while he may never be truly ready to succeed in that position, his chance came about 10 years too soon. He's an incredibly immature man whose professional bearing on game day is almost non existent. Mugging for the camera, yelling at opposing fans, etc. is absolutely embarrassing. I jokingly call him the Intern but that's not too far off it seems. He is like a kid with the keys to Dad's car or an Intern sitting in a C level office with real decision making power. He' not ready. It's too soon. Steichen left and the offense fell apart. Sirianni couldn't fix it. He failed. Looks like Shane was the offensive mastermind. What does that make Nick? Insufficient at offense, no meaningful defensive knowledge, no apparent ST knowledge. That makes him a speech giver and cheerleader. He doesn't seem particularly adept at those things either. That leaves one last position for him, figurehead.

The HC should be the most well rounded and knowledgeable coach on the staff. At the very least he should have a firm understanding of offensive, defensive, and ST strategy. He should be able to engage excellent coordinators in real time conversations that help solve problems. If he is just a figurehead whose coordinators are lightyears ahead of him, he probably shouldn't be the HC. I think that's where we are today. We see a grossly underdeveloped HC who needs experienced coordinators to fill in his knowledge gaps. 

Maybe this is all by design from Howie. Maybe an inept yes man is all Howie will accept so he can hold power in ways a GM should never hold. I don't know and I freely admit that. The thing is that whether by design or not, Sirianni is failing and there was not one single sign this season that the failure won't continue in perpetuity. In fact, that playoff game predicts more failure. Other than a few players giving their all for a new contract or something, the Eagles were a disinterested football team. He lost the team at the S.F. loss and never got it back. IMO, he's done, or at least he should be. Maybe give him another shot elsewhere when he's ready, if he ever gets ready. What I think doesn't matter at all. What Jeffrey Lurie thinks does matter. I'll wait for his decision. I hope it'll truly be in the team's best interest moving forward.

Siri is actually ANTI culture, and doesn't even know it. Weak soft team, where training camp and practices are just flag football. Players LOVE that- they don't have to actually WORK. Of course players will want THAT kind of coach.  He is a buddy buddy guy, who players walk all over. He was handed a Super Bowl talented team, with really good OC and DC... and they made it to the bowl. When those OC and DC left... just a matter of time until Siri was exposed. And so he was.

What bothers me is Lurie even THINKING about allowing him to come back at all. That's insanity 3.0 And the longer this drags out, the signs point to Lurie doing what Jerry Jones did- play it comfortable and go with the easy decision, and keep Siri. Every growing moment looks like Lurie changes the OC and DC and keeps Siri. Yo, Lurie, Siri IS the problem. How they train in camp IS a problem. How they practice IS a problem. How he lets players walk all over him IS a problem. Not being able to tackle is Siri's fault, because they don't tackle to the ground in practice. The lack of discipline IS Siri's fault. You are asking to magically change ALL of his faults over night. Got news for you- He ain't gonna change.  Almost all issue point to Siri, and yet you allow him to come back? I hope I am wrong here, but the longer this goes on, the more Siri stays.

14 hours ago, wrestlevessel said:

Sirianni blows though. Who else gets blown out every game after starting 10-1 and injuries aren't even an excuse.

Depends on who made the call to demote Desai

Is... he gone yet??

Something I find ironic is everyone complaining that he did nothing to fix the defense when he demoted the coordinator after the defense quit on Desai. They were destroyed by the 49'ers and Dallas walked all over them in the first half. There were multiple reports that the players were unhappy with Desai and he made a move to try and salvage the season on that side of the ball. Did it work out? No, but he at least tried to do something by going to Patricia who has has experience calling plays. 

3 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

tl;dr version:    I think Sirianni's many shortcomings and epic 2023-2024 failures require parting ways with him.

long version:

I'm not suggesting that Sirianni is the root cause of all the problems. Some fall on player character, Roseman's poor replacements this year, and the ineptitude of the coordinators in their roles. What I'm suggesting is that there are aspects of the team that he is primarily responsible for, and he has observably failed in many of those areas. Team effort, problem solving, player development, game planning, play calling, philosophical adjustments based on opponent, professional bearing, and team discipline, to name a few. To me, those are not trivial matters to be glossed over or ignored.

I'm also not suggesting that the beatings should continue until morale improves. There hasn't been any beatings. In fact, due to Sirianni's apparent nature, there will never be one "beating", metaphoric or otherwise. He just offers hugs and fertilizer for the flower bed. He's a nice guy, a hug it out kind of guy, a guy who never makes players face any significant negative consequences for transgressions. He's sufficiently soft on players that they were half stepping most of this past season and nothing happened to them. That creates a cancer that'll poison and eat away at the team. In short, he is not sufficiently developed as a coach to hold the highest coaching position.

My guess is that while he may never be truly ready to succeed in that position, his chance came about 10 years too soon. He's an incredibly immature man whose professional bearing on game day is almost non existent. Mugging for the camera, yelling at opposing fans, etc. is absolutely embarrassing. I jokingly call him the Intern but that's not too far off it seems. He is like a kid with the keys to Dad's car or an Intern sitting in a C level office with real decision making power. He' not ready. It's too soon. Steichen left and the offense fell apart. Sirianni couldn't fix it. He failed. Looks like Shane was the offensive mastermind. What does that make Nick? Insufficient at offense, no meaningful defensive knowledge, no apparent ST knowledge. That makes him a speech giver and cheerleader. He doesn't seem particularly adept at those things either. That leaves one last position for him, figurehead.

The HC should be the most well rounded and knowledgeable coach on the staff. At the very least he should have a firm understanding of offensive, defensive, and ST strategy. He should be able to engage excellent coordinators in real time conversations that help solve problems. If he is just a figurehead whose coordinators are lightyears ahead of him, he probably shouldn't be the HC. I think that's where we are today. We see a grossly underdeveloped HC who needs experienced coordinators to fill in his knowledge gaps. 

Maybe this is all by design from Howie. Maybe an inept yes man is all Howie will accept so he can hold power in ways a GM should never hold. I don't know and I freely admit that. The thing is that whether by design or not, Sirianni is failing and there was not one single sign this season that the failure won't continue in perpetuity. In fact, that playoff game predicts more failure. Other than a few players giving their all for a new contract or something, the Eagles were a disinterested football team. He lost the team at the S.F. loss and never got it back. IMO, he's done, or at least he should be. Maybe give him another shot elsewhere when he's ready, if he ever gets ready. What I think doesn't matter at all. What Jeffrey Lurie thinks does matter. I'll wait for his decision. I hope it'll truly be in the team's best interest moving forward.

That's your opinion and you are entirely entitled to it. You may even be 100% accurate in your assessment. Or....you could be basing your assessment off of entirely incomplete data and inaccurate assumptions. My opinion is that when it comes to these matters it's best to let those on the inside make these assessments based on more reliable internal knowledge of the situations. I'm not defending Nick, I'm defending a process that is very likely going to yield much truer results then any of us on the outside looking at a limited view of the inside/

3 hours ago, GreenMachine said:

They now don't have cap flexibility, some of their best players are their oldest and they struggle to develop younger players and will have to look in the cheap free agent scrap pile once again. I have little confidence Siri can put a better product on the field next year with what will very likely be a less talented roster. I suspect the freefall will continue next season with him. Expectations are pretty low, the arrow is pointing down.

And how does a different coach change any of the things you mentioned? Can a new coach free up cap space? Make old players young? In some ways hasn't that free fall already begun?

Is not enough blame being directed Howie's way for massively downgrading the roster compared to last year's SB run? Swift was about the only bright spot in FA. And Carter falling into our laps.

Dallas kept their HC. That might be reason enough to keep Siri.