1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

I have little patience for people who can't see the crap on the wall today. What the actually F are you talking about? The MOFO doesn't know either side of the ball and absolutely sucks as a coach unless he has good coordinators to lean on. Doug should have been fired so WTF are you even talking about. He sucks worse than Doug. Great....glad he is staying!

You like having a worthless coach who needs a crutch. Got it. Winning doesn't matter worth a crap if you don't bring anything to the table. That can be chalked up to luck and the talent on your team.

When it was time for him to make game plans he sucked.

When he needed to pull his team out of a 7 week nosedive he sucked.

When he needed to help his franchise QB improve he sucked.

When he needed to motivate his players to look like they gave a damn he couldn't do a damn thing.

So congratulations on being happy that dippshittt is back. He's no talent asssclown that adds nothing to that team. When we waste next year, because we will rooting for this team, I hope you will be happy f'ing away time some vet players don't have left.

i got a feeling this going to end up worst than anyone ever imagined like alot of players are going to be leaving and i dont think any fas are coming here, i'll be shocked if this is the same team next year.

 

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

I have little patience for people who can't see the crap on the wall today. What the actually F are you talking about? The MOFO doesn't know either side of the ball and absolutely sucks as a coach unless he has good coordinators to lean on. Doug should have been fired so WTF are you even talking about. He sucks worse than Doug. Great....glad he is staying!

You like having a worthless coach who needs a crutch. Got it. Winning doesn't matter worth a crap if you don't bring anything to the table. That can be chalked up to luck and the talent on your team.

When it was time for him to make game plans he sucked.

When he needed to pull his team out of a 7 week nosedive he sucked.

When he needed to help his franchise QB improve he sucked.

When he needed to motivate his players to look like they gave a damn he couldn't do a damn thing.

So congratulations on being happy that dippshittt is back. He's no talent asssclown that adds nothing to that team. When we waste next year, because we will rooting for this team, I hope you will be happy f'ing away time some vet players don't have left.

At this point I've made countless posts explaining exactly why I think going around tossing coaches left and right when they seem to struggle is an extremely bad idea. At the end of the day, you toss coaches because you're hoping to get ones that are talented. Talented coaches that people *know* are talented, rather than scouring under every rock to try to find the next generational coach that is actually desperate enough to come to an unstable Philadelphia with sky high expectations.

Doug *is* a good person to compare to because in comparison, by the standards of what others feel is bringing something to the table, he certainly brought things. People here are absolutely obsessed with who calls plays and insist every day that it's required for a head coach to call plays (despite evidence to the opposite in the league), and Doug also called plays. He had a bad season at the end but that's really not what I'm talking about.

I'm saying that once again, there's no evidence he would have had results that are any better, with this coordinator structure. But you want ones that are successful regardless of their coordinators? I mean sure, go ahead, but the list of those guys isn't very long. Your best bet might be this year with some of the names on the market...reason to fire Nick maybe?

...Until you realize that exactly none of them would get along with Howie Roseman and you're right where you started again. 

I sincerely think that structure of coaching staff matters. Andy Reid had Jim Johnson for the vast majority of his era here, and once he didn't, things went downhill pretty quickly. Doug had Jim Schwartz for his entire era here. Those are two of the most successful eras by different metrics in Eagles history, with a pretty clear commonality. Andy Reid and Doug were stubborn AF too with plenty of bonehead decisions but they had backup from experienced guys on the other side of the ball that always created a stable floor. Sirianni on the other hand hasn't had a single coordinator older than him on either side of the ball for his entire tenure.

So by your metrics, every moderately successful coach in modern Eagles history 'needed a crutch'. We'll have to get damn lucky to find one that doesn't, doubly so if we start firing coaches frequently rather than actually working with them, triply so with Howie Roseman being a non-football guy and effectively ensuring any coach that comes here will be fired rather than himself if anything goes wrong.. 

Which is why I believe in actually trying to work with Sirianni and give him a chance to work on these flaws and actually have the structure some of our best coaches in recent history were afforded. I'm not even saying it'll go well, but I think it's important for the reasons above, and once again, good luck winning the SB with a rookie coach anyway.

Any questions? Am I clear now? Good. I get it, it's hard to think long term, but when the subject is about achieving lasting success in an organization, that's a really important thing to do.

8 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

He was the HC of a team that collapsed from 10-1 to exit in the wildcard round of the playoffs. A collapse not only in results but in every sense and the players just gave up. There is nothing to suggest he can turn this team around. He did nothing to stem the bleeding when things started to go wrong we just saw the same nonsense. 

The above post might as well be for you too, because you made one of the points DHF made, I'm too lazy to respond to both.

And just for some added spice on top, I find it very ironic that some of the same people who insisted Johnathan Gannon was garbage that needed to be fired for much of 2021 and 2022 are also now claiming that he was one of the 'fantastic coordinators' along with Shane, that was a crutch for Sirianni to rely upon and be carried by to any and all of the success he had.

Peak logic. Except unfortunately it's not.

 

3 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

I have little patience ...

 

 

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

And just for some added spice on top, I find it very ironic that some of the same people who insisted Johnathan Gannon was garbage that needed to be fired for much of 2021 and 2022 are also now claiming that he was one of the 'fantastic coordinators' along with Shane, that was a crutch for Sirianni to rely upon and be carried by to any and all of the success he had.

Peak logic. Except unfortunately it's not.

 

Thought he blew it and cost us the Super Bowl, though he was going against the Jedi Master himself.  Then he came in our house this year and won when Siri couldn't get out of his own underwear.  So no fan of JG and looking forward to some payback.

Just want to jump ahead, to what seems like an inevitable conclusion of the regime.

Siri survives this year by blaming every one of his coordinators. They all depart. No more scapegoats to blame.

The new coaches come in.

Hired guns depart... What’s the point in sticking? Money? Hurts salary keeps escalating, so we will have less money.
Too many holes on the defense to fix in one draft. Sounds like several rebuilding years in my opinion.
Out goes Siri for a mediocre at best season 2024.

Your opinion, if you see it differently welcome.

I dont see it any different at all, the coordinators were a dumpster fire this year and i cant imagine hiring a new DC and a new OC will fix all the problems Howie and Lurie have created.

This franchise is more than a new OC and DC away from being a serious contender.

If he doesn't change things in the game plan then he's likely not going to make it to 2025

Aboslutely can not look like the end of 2023 where the team just appeared to not care

Siri appeared to be safe on his HC job.  He will appear with Howie on a Wed presser.  Let's see what he has to tell us in terms of what happened and what is coming in the offseason.

I still think there's an outside chance that Siri gets the boot this offseason.  Let's see how all this coordinator search shakes out.

21 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

And just for some added spice on top, I find it very ironic that some of the same people who insisted Johnathan Gannon was garbage that needed to be fired for much of 2021 and 2022 are also now claiming that he was one of the 'fantastic coordinators' along with Shane, that was a crutch for Sirianni to rely upon and be carried by to any and all of the success he had.

Peak logic. Except unfortunately it's not.

 

Gannon coming into Philly and basically out coaching Sirianni is alone a friable offense. If you’re claiming that Gannon can’t coach, but he out coaches Sirianni then what does that say about him? 

Just now, Procus said:

I still think there's an outside chance that Siri gets the boot this offseason.  Let's see how all this coordinator search shakes out.

If they’re going to blow it up with both coordinators then what is the point of trying to keep the head coach. The only reason here is Sirianni has no pride in himself and is bending over backwards to be Howie and Lurie’s puppet. 

13 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

If they’re going to blow it up with both coordinators then what is the point of trying to keep the head coach. The only reason here is Sirianni has no pride in himself and is bending over backwards to be Howie and Lurie’s puppet. 

The worry here is that whilst BJ had to go what’s the point if it’s still Sirianni offensive scheme?

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The worry here is that whilst BJ had to go what’s the point if it’s still Sirianni offensive scheme?

I don’t know considering Sirianni himself doesn’t even know how to coach or in game call it. 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t know considering Sirianni himself doesn’t even know how to coach it. 

Exactly! So unless his plan is to bring in a new OC to run the offense themselves I’m not sure this works. And if that is his plan then what is Sirianni doing?

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The worry here is that whilst BJ had to go what’s the point if it’s still Sirianni offensive scheme?

Sirianni has now proven on multiple occasions that he can neither design nor call a viable offense.  I'll say it again...If he's not going to design or call offensive plays then what value does he bring?

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Gannon coming into Philly and basically out coaching Sirianni is alone a friable offense. If you’re claiming that Gannon can’t coach, but he out coaches Sirianni then what does that say about him? 

My assertion was, specifically, that it's laughable that people are now suddenly considering him Sirianni's crutch. And while I get what you're saying, you must have forgotten how Andy Reid was routinely outcoached by a literal ??? for ???? reasons year in and year out. We used to describe it as 'losing games we should win' on a fairly regular basis.

That obviously was not a good result. But honestly, I just don't think there's a lot of other good options in terms of organizational stability. People here in Philly are ultra impatient right now, development of a young coach is not an option. But like I said in my prior post, you can't get any of the older ones in this cycle, they'll never get along with Howie. 

So, I think you have to actually provide structure like literally all our 2000 and after successful coaches (so excluding Chip) got and kick the tires.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The worry here is that whilst BJ had to go what’s the point if it’s still Sirianni offensive scheme?

More than likely isn't going to stay this way. I think it's going to end up rebuilt over the offseason. I've mentioned this a couple times but I think that offense in general is only fringe NFL viable, and it's not really due to Siri, I think he was just taught a flawed scheme. Shane seems to be the only one to implement it to good results and he was in his first year so the tape isn't necessarily out on him yet. Even with Reich, it doesn't seem to work all that well.

This is, as I've said many, many times, the problem with hiring young head coaches. With less experience, they have less backup cards. This is also something that as a GM, you should REALLY understand when hiring them. If you hire young coaches and expect no growing pains, you're an idiot and need to have your coach hiring permissions removed.

I think at least in Philadelphia, because people have gotten so impatient, it's important for any future Head Coach hires to have significant experience as a NFL coordinator, several years. Not one, not two, several years, and maybe college head coach experience. Can't be hiring raw coaches here, crap just isn't going to work.

Also, I have one more thing to say. I'm honestly surprised that after the debacle that was the fans claiming Frank Reich should have been kept because he held all the keys to the 2018 Super Bowl victory, people still haven't figured this out.

Sometimes in the NFL, the success is actually created by neither of two people working together, but because the two people are working together. Doug and Frank Reich were better as a team than they are apart. It doesn't have to be all one person or another person, sometimes it is the collaboration between them that results in the product.

Fans try really hard to assign it as a single person is the cause for the successful product, who is the one that it is, etc etc. But in reality, sometimes, it's because the group is working in collaboration that the results are what they are. I think this is an extremely undervalued aspect and really should come into consideration more often.

15 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Also, I have one more thing to say. I'm honestly surprised that after the debacle that was the fans claiming Frank Reich should have been kept because he held all the keys to the 2018 Super Bowl victory, people still haven't figured this out.

Sometimes in the NFL, the success is actually created by neither of two people working together, but because the two people are working together. Doug and Frank Reich were better as a team than they are apart. It doesn't have to be all one person or another person, sometimes it is the collaboration between them that results in the product.

Fans try really hard to assign it as a single person is the cause for the successful product, who is the one that it is, etc etc. But in reality, sometimes, it's because the group is working in collaboration that the results are what they are. I think this is an extremely undervalued aspect and really should come into consideration more often.

Adding onto this, having DeFillipo on the staff as QB coach seemed a big benefit as well. He was tough on Wentz and I think it’s safe to say that was needed. 

Milwaukee Bucks fired their coach as a 2 seed. Why can't we fire Sirianni?

6 hours ago, Procus said:

I still think there's an outside chance that Siri gets the boot this offseason.  Let's see how all this coordinator search shakes out.

If the coordinator stinks...Siri should get fired with the new coordinator.

If the coordinator does good...Promote the coordinator and fire Siri..(Siri is a paper holder until someone with talent is brought in).

Bottom Line..FIRE SIRI!

3 hours ago, wrestlevessel said:

Milwaukee Bucks fired their coach as a 2 seed. Why can't we fire Sirianni?

Embiid scored 70 points last night. Why can't AJ Brown score 70 points a game?! 

7 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

My assertion was, specifically, that it's laughable that people are now suddenly considering him Sirianni's crutch. And while I get what you're saying, you must have forgotten how Andy Reid was routinely outcoached by a literal ??? for ???? reasons year in and year out. We used to describe it as 'losing games we should win' on a fairly regular basis.

That obviously was not a good result. But honestly, I just don't think there's a lot of other good options in terms of organizational stability. People here in Philly are ultra impatient right now, development of a young coach is not an option. But like I said in my prior post, you can't get any of the older ones in this cycle, they'll never get along with Howie. 

So, I think you have to actually provide structure like literally all our 2000 and after successful coaches (so excluding Chip) got and kick the tires.

Overall I just don’t see how forcing a new OC and DC on Sirianni fixes the problems and with him going into the season in the final season of his deal it feels like this is all a disaster waiting to happen. Just feels like way too much change combined with a lame duck coach and l don’t recall that ever being a great combination.