54 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Fangio outlast Sirianni perhaps Moore as well. Remember this team hired Schwartz before they even hired Doug. For as quickly as they hired Fangio after he was let go by Miami, and for as much as they’re obsessed with his clones, I don’t see them dumping him unless he crosses the FO in some kind of way. 

Yes I could see the plan to go with the hot offensive mind next year and keep Fangio if all falls apart on O but long way to go there.

27 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Yes I could see the plan to go with the hot offensive mind next year and keep Fangio if all falls apart on O but long way to go there.

It’s certainly down the line, but I have to be honest here. I don’t see a situation where there are so many changes to the coaching staff, and players where this will all simply work out and be good. 

8 hours ago, Talonblood said:

You know, the OC and DC coaches that were brought in... are enough to turn the team around and restart the greatness. These are REAL coaches, who will get it done. Now Howie has to bring in some better talent, but we have a good core. 

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Just curious. How long do you think it will take this team (especially the offense) to lear new systems with Sirianni choosing to have short practices during TC, not have players play in preseason games, and never put on pads for weekly practices and their basic weekly preparation is walkthroughs and motivational speeches? 

23 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Just curious. How long do you think it will take this team (especially the offense) to lear new systems with Sirianni choosing to have short practices during TC, not have players play in preseason games, and never put on pads for weekly practices and their basic weekly preparation is walkthroughs and motivational speeches? 

Maybe, by some miracle- he see's he needs to change training camp and practices. I did say miracle.

3 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

Maybe, by some miracle- he see's he needs to change training camp and practices. I did say miracle.

This to me is the biggest issue. The Eagles lack of preparation last season (especially during the slide) was far more egregious than the actual schemes. I mean how many times did we see plays called back because of a penalty? There were three drives against the Cowboys where Smith, Brown, and Hurts all fumbled when the Eagles were moving the football. Sirianni’s poor prep jobs were just as much of a culprit if not more than the coordinators themselves. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Just curious. How long do you think it will take this team (especially the offense) to lear new systems with Sirianni choosing to have short practices during TC, not have players play in preseason games, and never put on pads for weekly practices and their basic weekly preparation is walkthroughs and motivational speeches? 

A lot of assumptions there.  Maybe changes to the coaching staff won’t be the only changes we see.

2 minutes ago, time2rock said:

A lot of assumptions there.  Maybe changes to the coaching staff won’t be the only changes we see.

Are we all not making assumptions? Where has it happened where a new OC and DC with a coach in the final year of his deal with a Quarterback who struggles when the team gets a new playcaller simply will just work? That to me seems like the biggest assumption of all. 

OC looks good.  Keenan Allen was on fire before he got hurt.

10 hours ago, time2rock said:

So they were slightly better the year after he left, but the real comparison should be between Moore and Johnson ... I think most would agree we are in a better position now with Moore.  I agree with the bolded 1000% (as if anything over 100% is achievable but still ...  ).

Regarding Fangio, with how much experience he has over the 30+ years of coaching and his no nonsense style, I think he'll command respect more so than someone like Desai.  Those players in Miami that are glad he left were probably clients of Rosenhaus (it was he who made that initial statement) ... he was probably making that statement to protect those players for their next contract negotiations.  Not worried about that nonsense.  

 

There is no question that the Eagles are in a much better situation at coaching than they were last year. Siri was removed from power is basically the major explanation. The assistants that the new coordinators are bringing in, especially QB coach with 20yr experience, should be difference makers.

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s certainly down the line, but I have to be honest here. I don’t see a situation where there are so many changes to the coaching staff, and players where this will all simply work out and be good. 

Agreed. They have so many needs on the defense and a few significant questions offensively that a complete turnaround seems improbable. We should see improvement, but it’ll take a season or two before we’re truly competitive. 

21 minutes ago, Southparkeagles said:

Agreed. They have so many needs on the defense and a few significant questions offensively that a complete turnaround seems improbable. We should see improvement, but it’ll take a season or two before we’re truly competitive. 

The defense will be better I guarantee that. The Dc is exponentially better and Howie will add LBs and S that are at least upgrades.

and with all the talent on O I think they’ll produce while learning new system

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

The defense will be better I guarantee that. The Dc is exponentially better and Howie will add LBs and S that are at least upgrades.

and with all the talent on O I think they’ll produce while learning new system

I feel like you’re hoping a lot here. Who will be the safeties, linebackers, and corners? Can we really count on another year of oft-injured guys like Maddox, Dean, and Blankenship? We also saw last year how up and down Hurts was trying to figure an offense out on the fly. 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

This to me is the biggest issue. The Eagles lack of preparation last season (especially during the slide) was far more egregious than the actual schemes. I mean how many times did we see plays called back because of a penalty? There were three drives against the Cowboys where Smith, Brown, and Hurts all fumbled when the Eagles were moving the football. Sirianni’s poor prep jobs were just as much of a culprit if not more than the coordinators themselves. 

I've been ****in about his camps ever since he got here. I call it Camp SiriSoft™. 🤣

4 hours ago, Talonblood said:

Maybe, by some miracle- he see's he needs to change training camp and practices. I did say miracle.

We do not know how much Siri power has been cut. We know eagles limited his offense responsibilities to 0. So it is possible that the new coordinators will have a lot more say on practices too.

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

We do not know how much Siri power has been cut. We know eagles limited his offense responsibilities to 0. So it is possible that the new coordinators will have a lot more say on practices too.

I mean if that really is the case (and I secretly hope so) then why is he still here? Just make Moore the HC and be done with it. 

Not sure if this is how things evolved last season.  Since the team almost came home with the trophy, they thought they could just plug anyone in there and went back to the big show.  Hence the young coordinators. We know now the team was not as good or strong as they thought, and it felt apart at the end.  Now with the new coordinators and perhaps some assistance coaches, hopefully some young players, things would turn around.  It may take couple of seasons to get things on track again.

Siri is in his contract year if I am not mistaken.  Kind of like a prove-it season for him.  If things are not moving in the right direction, he could well be let go.  Wonder if the factor of potential HC being one of the considerations when the 2 new coordinators interviewed?     

9 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Not sure if this is how things evolved last season.  Since the team almost came home with the trophy, they thought they could just plug anyone in there and went back to the big show.  Hence the young coordinators. We know now the team was not as good or strong as they thought, and it felt apart at the end.  Now with the new coordinators and perhaps some assistance coaches, hopefully some young players, things would turn around.  It may take couple of seasons to get things on track again.

Siri is in his contract year if I am not mistaken.  Kind of like a prove-it season for him.  If things are not moving in the right direction, he could well be let go.  Wonder if the factor of potential HC being one of the considerations when the 2 new coordinators interviewed?     

I think with the offense they perhaps felt that it was Sirianni's offense so he was the "brains" behind the scheme and therefore they could make it work. With the defense they brought in Desai who ran a similar scheme to Gannon so it wasn't wholesale changes? But yeah they got it wrong and paid for it.

If Sirianni is in his contract year then what does he need to do to get an extension? To me that is the really tricky part. As CEO HC he should be judged on results but with a new DC and OC there are going to be some potential settling issues so it may be hard to judge him on that. They've created a real problem with the moves they have now made this off season. Sirianni should be held to account for everything and yet at the same time it isn't his offense or defense so he isn't responsible for anything.

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I mean if that really is the case (and I secretly hope so) then why is he still here? Just make Moore the HC and be done with it. 

Somebody has to be the puppet ruler.

 

 

17 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

Somebody has to be the puppet ruler.

 

 

Just need to photoshop Sirianni's face on there and we are golden!

9 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Are we all not making assumptions? Where has it happened where a new OC and DC with a coach in the final year of his deal with a Quarterback who struggles when the team gets a new playcaller simply will just work? That to me seems like the biggest assumption of all. 

I meant that regarding your comments about Sirianni choosing to have short practices during TC, etc. ... maybe upon further reflection he changes that too (not just the coordinators).

7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I feel like you’re hoping a lot here. Who will be the safeties, linebackers, and corners? Can we really count on another year of oft-injured guys like Maddox, Dean, and Blankenship? We also saw last year how up and down Hurts was trying to figure an offense out on the fly. 

I don't expect this to all come together immediately.  As with any time there are massive changes to a coaching staff and/or roster, I always think it will take a year for everyone to learn the terminology and new assignments and to gel.  I think both coordinators are massive upgrades over what we just had so I am hopeful that in time this will all come together.  Now it is on Howie to do his job and add some talent to some key areas that are sorely lacking (LB and S being the biggest 2).  

8 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I don't expect this to all come together immediately.  As with any time there are massive changes to a coaching staff and/or roster, I always think it will take a year for everyone to learn the terminology and new assignments and to gel.  I think both coordinators are massive upgrades over what we just had so I am hopeful that in time this will all come together.  Now it is on Howie to do his job and add some talent to some key areas that are sorely lacking (LB and S being the biggest 2).  

This taking time is an issue, because the HC isn’t under contract beyond this season so what is the point of hiring new coordinators, but keeping the lame duck coach? 

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

I meant that regarding your comments about Sirianni choosing to have short practices during TC, etc. ... maybe upon further reflection he changes that too (not just the coordinators).

We hope this is true, and Sirianni has shown a willingness to make changes like giving up play calling to begin with. He’s also had stubborn moments too like how the team made no changes to the gameplan over the last month despite none of their ideas working. 

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Just need to photoshop Sirianni's face on there and we are golden!

And Howie's face onto the puppet master.

36 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I don't expect this to all come together immediately.  As with any time there are massive changes to a coaching staff and/or roster, I always think it will take a year for everyone to learn the terminology and new assignments and to gel.  I think both coordinators are massive upgrades over what we just had so I am hopeful that in time this will all come together.  Now it is on Howie to do his job and add some talent to some key areas that are sorely lacking (LB and S being the biggest 2).  

This was the Ravens first year under Monken as OC. In fact every team changed OC in last 2 years (incredible fact). It’s not rocket science there is a learning period but it shouldn’t take a year. 
 

im assuming Howie is going to address LB and S in free agency. Not sure it will be top name but he’ll get guys