But….not feeling as solid about those thoughts right now about this season. Was stating my thinking was need to go All In this year and next year as our best window. Lane and Saquan large reasons behind my thoughts. But …really having too many doubts about this years squad. Clearly contenders and a heck of a football team. But Can win it all isn’t the same as Should.

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s the part he hasn’t completely yet got this season…to be specific.

Because it's specifically not over yet.

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

Job, yes. But speculation about possibilities isn't Howie's job.

If we don't speculate about possible solutions all we are doing is being Negadelphian complainers.

You can’t put me in that grouping…because it was my belief that Isaiah Rodgers was such a great replacement in house proven better move for us.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Waste of Barks talent,but we have O line woes

Actually was Bark finially kind of actually working this season. That’s 5 yards a carry. Plus his nice long TD reception. Actually stinks that five yards a carry in our O with Saquan is considered positively really. Just average for a quality rushing team.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Waste of Barks talent,but we have O line woes

He’s been gaining way less than that so far this season. Ranked really really low comparatively across the league.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

See that scrub bum Gainwell was the guy we had that could break up the running/ Passing game. IDK if Shipley can. With 1 play I doubt you would know

He’s proven he can pick up the blitz and do his duties of resting and responsibilities on all that front. Which was really the only question about him. I didn’t doubt it even…but assumed it was the area of needed most development:

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So saying a trade is a possible solution...is being negative unless we actually name players who we are clueless about their availability because we don't work in the NFL?

We have to act arrogant enough to name a player...otherwise just saying " this is a possible solution " is negative?

Part of the fun of being a fan is being able to make assumptions when coming up with possibilities. It is a textbook "more is more” opportunity. We do it all the time regarding the Draft, and we don’t know any more about the players in the Draft class than we do about the NFL players. I don’t personally play Fantasy, but anyone who does knows an immense amount about a wealth of players across the league.

The complaints that are made about specific players aren’t constrained by the contractual realities associated with that player, but we speculate nonetheless. What reason is there not to similarly speculate about players from another team?

I give credit to Ham for the fact that he did come up with a conceptual solution. However, for a guy who says he lives, breathes, eats and sleeps information relative to the NFL, my sense is he can do better … and I was simply challenging him to do just that. So he absolutely did come down from his all complaints all the time plateau, but he stopped short of walking in Howie’s shoes.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So saying a trade is a possible solution...is being negative unless we actually name players who we are clueless about their availability because we don't work in the NFL?

We have to act arrogant enough to name a player...otherwise just saying " this is a possible solution " is negative?

It’s more about just identifying the weak links in our championship chase this season. Up to Rosie to complete his job.

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Do I think Newsome is better yes not even close dude is starting on a pretty good Browns D…. But I don’t think the Browns are going to be able to move Newsome for much more then a 4th maybe a conditional 4th that can become a 3rd.

I think Riq Woolen is a good CB to but I also think he would only get the Seahawks a 3rd or 4th rounder at best similar to Newsome.

Mind you Darius Slay only cost us a 3rd back in 2020 and he was still regarded as one of the better CB in the league during that time

Thought it was 3rd and fifth…

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Averaging 3.2 YPC is indeed "woes"

Yeah…it’s been embarrassing. Nothing to claim as our identity for sure.

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You can’t put me in that grouping…because it was my belief that Isaiah Rodgers was such a great replacement in house proven better move for us.

I understand that is your opinion, and I respect it. I just happen to trust our coaches’ and Howie’s opinions a bit more than you do.

FWIW, when they picked Rodgers up in the year he had to sit out, I thought it was a master stroke. I still believe it was. But his snaps in the 2024 season gave us all a whole more information than we had in 2023. He simply looked like an okay backup CB based on those 2024 snaps.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right 1 game and??? That means the O line woes are fixed? I hope so

Didn’t read anybody share those thoughts. But I as actually working decent at least….thats when our brilliant O minds decided was time to abandon doing it. Moronic and borderline insane.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s more about just identifying the weak links in our championship chase this season. Up to Rosie to complete his job.

Identifying weak links and stopping there is textbook Negadelphianism. It is complaining for the sake of complaining.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

3.2 YPC avg is pedestrian and alot of that he got due to his abounding talent. Mailata said "we are one block away" The mission is to find that block

We are one piece and thing away with everything going on with the O.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I understand that is your opinion, and I respect it. I just happen to trust our coaches’ and Howie’s opinions a bit more than you do.

FWIW, when they picked Rodgers up in the year he had to sit out, I thought it was a master stroke. I still believe it was. But his snaps in the 2024 season gave us all a whole more information than we had in 2023. He simply looked like an okay backup CB based on those 2024 snaps.

It was a great move to stash him for future payoff. But…the payoff could have been much more than just as a backup for one season.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

It was a great move to stash him for future payoff. But…the payoff could have been much more than just as a backup for one season.

He was Slay replacement

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He’s been gaining way less than that so far this season. Ranked really really low comparatively across the league.

The yards before first contact stat is incredibly telling … and is a stat that Saquon has absolutely no control over.

One thing that has been showing up a lot this season is an adjustment the opposing DCs have all made. Specifically, they are using Stoutland’s use of pulling linemen as a seam for the DL or ILBs to exploit. The pulling lineman leaves a gap when he pulls and the DL across from that gap is simply following the pulling lineman into the backfield, resulting in really good TFL opportunities.

26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

It means they obviously should have ran the ball more yesterday.. throwing 38 times ( really 44 with 6 sacks) running Barkley 6 times.. 50 plays ....44 passes and 6 runs to Barkley. Not the formula for this team... even at 3.2...but especially at 5 yards per carry.

Not much of a great formula for any winning football. But can be reasoned more if needing to come from behind. Doing it while possesing a nice lead is just bad football and coaching.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It was a great move to stash him for future payoff. But…the payoff could have been much more than just as a backup for one season.

Agreed 100% … IF he had shown that payoff with his play on the field. But he didn’t.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He was Slay replacement

That is correct, but he wasn’t able to beat Slay out as they had hoped he would.

28 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Because it's specifically not over yet.

No it isn’t…didn’t say otherwise. But…it’s not a shortcoming that sprung up because of injury either.

19 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Part of the fun of being a fan is being able to make assumptions when coming up with possibilities. It is a textbook "more is more” opportunity. We do it all the time regarding the Draft, and we don’t know any more about the players in the Draft class than we do about the NFL players. I don’t personally play Fantasy, but anyone who does knows an immense amount about a wealth of players across the league.

The complaints that are made about specific players aren’t constrained by the contractual realities associated with that player, but we speculate nonetheless. What reason is there not to similarly speculate about players from another team?

I give credit to Ham for the fact that he did come up with a conceptual solution. However, for a guy who says he lives, breathes, eats and sleeps information relative to the NFL, my sense is he can do better … and I was simply challenging him to do just that. So he absolutely did come down from his all complaints all the time plateau, but he stopped short of walking in Howie’s shoes.

Yeah…had a good amount going on lately. Plus just going to be a much clearer picture painted each week closer to the trade deadline…about which teams are clearly in the selling side of things.

22 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Part of the fun of being a fan is being able to make assumptions when coming up with possibilities. It is a textbook "more is more” opportunity. We do it all the time regarding the Draft, and we don’t know any more about the players in the Draft class than we do about the NFL players. I don’t personally play Fantasy, but anyone who does knows an immense amount about a wealth of players across the league.

The complaints that are made about specific players aren’t constrained by the contractual realities associated with that player, but we speculate nonetheless. What reason is there not to similarly speculate about players from another team?

I give credit to Ham for the fact that he did come up with a conceptual solution. However, for a guy who says he lives, breathes, eats and sleeps information relative to the NFL, my sense is he can do better … and I was simply challenging him to do just that. So he absolutely did come down from his all complaints all the time plateau, but he stopped short of walking in Howie’s shoes.

In your expert.. in your positive.... in your fun opinion. Which CBs are available for trade?

13 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I understand that is your opinion, and I respect it. I just happen to trust our coaches’ and Howie’s opinions a bit more than you do.

FWIW, when they picked Rodgers up in the year he had to sit out, I thought it was a master stroke. I still believe it was. But his snaps in the 2024 season gave us all a whole more information than we had in 2023. He simply looked like an okay backup CB based on those 2024 snaps.

Looked to me like he proved himself as a fit a more than capable starting option to turn towards. With his very reasonable salary as a free agent should have made him our option. Be different if some team had gone way overboard throwing crazy money his way. Then let him walk.

15 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Identifying weak links and stopping there is textbook Negadelphianism. It is complaining for the sake of complaining.

Nah…I call everything…good and bad…the way I see it.