Rumblings that Jack Stoll probably won't make the Giants. Won't be surprised if the Eagles bring him back.

19 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I don't see how you can seperate the two. Unless you think spending the equivalent of a 4th rd pick on a 3rd string QB is worthwhile. 

The real answer is that the Eagles likely had a 3rd or 4th round grade on Pickett when he was drafted.  They are drafting a player they thought had value at a position they highly value.  They were trading what they thought was reasonable value based on how they scouted him.  

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

Pickett is the #2 QB on the Eagles,  unless he's traded.  Eagles fans who hate Pickett are rooting for him to suck,  which guarantees that the player they don't like is the #2 QB.  People do not say that Eagles fans are smart.

Brilliant 

11 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Just adding this since the grades are out now for preseason game 2:

He also received high praise from those covering the joint practice where he had several big plays including a couple "sacks" and a PBU that Baun ended up intercepting on the deflection. 

 

But did ESP track his stats? 

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The real answer is that the Eagles likely had a 3rd or 4th round grade on Pickett when he was drafted.  They are drafting a player they thought had value at a position they highly value.  They were trading what they thought was reasonable value based on how they scouted him.  

Then their scouting sucked and they whiffed. Not even mentioning that there was plenty of tape on Pickett in NFL game action that should supercede whatever scouting they had done on him prior to the '22 draft. If they hadn't aleady had McKee in house, that'd be one thing, but they did and apparently thought he was clearly worse than Pickett, which a lot of us questioned when news of the trade broke.

2 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Yeah, I’m sure McMahon will wind up with a "mysterious injury” following the last preseason game. Let Stout coach him up and lock him in the weight room. 

Wouldn’t be surprised if he starts the season as one of the two inactive OL and ends the season as the active backup C by the end of the season.  I hope he avoids IR. Can’t practice. 

Don't forget Howie personally scouted Pickett at that UNC vs Pitt game back in 2021. 

Non Football related, but I'm gonna post this here anyway (along with having posted it in WU).

With regard to my mother's stage 4 lung cancer:

A week or so ago, we went in for another CT scan to check on the cancer and today we had the appointment with the oncologist. The CT scan came back clean. After 5 years and 2 months of chemo (and her first oncologist refusing further treatment 3 years ago so that she could live out her days), the cancer is gone. 

She has to keep taking the oral chemo pills, to keep it gone. But the cancer no longer shows up in the CT scan.

Pickett being a bust sucks, but it's not the worst thing in the world. 

We have a QB that appears to be a competent backup in McKee.  Whatever value we lost getting Pickett does absolutely nothing to stop us from making any move we want.  We have nine picks in the draft next year, and we have players on the roster right now that we can flip for a WR3, LB, whatever we need. 

We're good.  Deep breaths.  If he doesn't work out, he doesn't work out.  Big F'in deal.

They didn't know what they had in McKee, basically they had some snaps in the second half of pre-season games last year and snaps in practice as the 3rd string QB. That doesn't tell you if a young QB can play in an actual NFL game that counts against a real defense (not vanilla pre-season looks). They have more data now, but even then, they still don't know if McKee can handle a real NFL defense. Which is why they need to play him in the first half next game and get a better read.

Pickett has started real NFL games with high stakes (Steelers are a perennial PO contender). He wasn't great, he wasn't awful, probably around Minshew, who also has started a few NFL games. They know his limitations but also known he's seen real NFL defenses with real NFL defenders. If they have to start him for a couple games they know the moment won't be too big and he'll know what he's doing out there.

They know McKee can make really nice throws given time and a clean pocket. That's all they know about him.

1 hour ago, just relax said:

We haven’t seen Becton pull but he has good feet and ran a 5.10 40 at 364 pounds. Same time as McMahon at 295.

True but I suspect McMahon turns faster.  

2 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

Pickett being a bust sucks, but it's not the worst thing in the world. 

We have a QB that appears to be a competent backup in McKee.  Whatever value we lost getting Pickett does absolutely nothing to stop us from making any move we want.  We have nine picks in the draft next year, and we have players on the roster right now that we can flip for a WR3, LB, whatever we need.  

We're good.  Deep breaths.  If he doesn't work out, he doesn't work out.  Big F'in deal.

 

It is a big deal in that due to both Howie and Pickett's egos, the best backup QB on the team won't be the primary backup.  So if Hurts has to miss time during a game or multiple games then the Eagles will be worse off for it turning to Pickett instead of McKee.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

It is a big deal in that due to both Howie and Pickett's egos, the best backup QB on the team won't be the primary backup.  So if Hurts has to miss time during a game or multiple games then the Eagles will be worse off for it turning to Pickett instead of McKee.

Pickett goes in, sucks the place up, they put McKee in.  Problem solved.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think the worst part of the whole equation is that they didn't recognize McKees talent. 

They drafted him. 

They saw him last pre-season.

Then they still felt the need to trade for a backup QB.

The value for a backup QB is ok. And Pickett is a fine backup QB.

The question of why??? is the most puzzling piece of it all to me.

They had a chance to add a QB with two years starting and a winning record both years for the equivalent of a fourth round selection on a rookie contract.  Seems like a no brainer.  If they didn’t fill the spot predraft they would have needed to do so in the draft. So better roster. 

2 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

Pickett goes in, sucks the place up, they put McKee in.  Problem solved.

 

So we potentially lose a game for no reason other than to appease the ego of Pickett and Roseman?  Plus you know if they refuse to make McKee the #2 QB now to appease Pickett and Roseman then they would at least give Pickett one game starting if Hurts got injured in a game and had to miss at least one more game.  So we wpuld potentially lose Teo games just to satisfy the ego of Roseman and Pickett.

That's a problem. 

I’m out of pocket today. Any update on Steen?

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

McMahon looked good, surprisingly good. What happens if he develops and Jurgens takes the next step. The Eagles could have two very unique, athletic Centers but would be forced to move one. I know, getting way ahead of myself but just thinking what ifs. 

It would be a great problem to have, but unless they would move the one that's on the field a lot (likely Jurgens), they'd be very unlikely to get value back in trade.   Hopefully that 'problem' shows up at some point.  

55 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I make my own rules.  

No worries.  Everyone does, you are just honest about it.   

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

So we potentially lose a game for no reason other than to appease the ego of Pickett and Roseman?  Plus you know if they refuse to make McKee the #2 QB now to appease Pickett and Roseman then they would at least give Pickett one game starting if Hurts got injured in a game and had to miss at least one more game.  So we wpuld potentially lose Teo games just to satisfy the ego of Roseman and Pickett.

That's a problem. 

You're worrying about a hypothetical scenario that hasn't happened yet, that may or may not ever happen, and assuming this hypothetical scenario is going to end in the worst possible way, which no one in the world has any way of knowing. 

If you're going to flip ish about something, at least do it with something more relevant like who our 3rd WR is going to be. 

17 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Non Football related, but I'm gonna post this here anyway (along with having posted it in WU).

With regard to my mother's stage 4 lung cancer:

A week or so ago, we went in for another CT scan to check on the cancer and today we had the appointment with the oncologist. The CT scan came back clean. After 5 years and 2 months of chemo (and her first oncologist refusing further treatment 3 years ago so that she could live out her days), the cancer is gone. 

She has to keep taking the oral chemo pills, to keep it gone. But the cancer no longer shows up in the CT scan.

That is GREAT news!!!  Great and wonderful!!!

16 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Non Football related, but I'm gonna post this here anyway (along with having posted it in WU).

With regard to my mother's stage 4 lung cancer:

A week or so ago, we went in for another CT scan to check on the cancer and today we had the appointment with the oncologist. The CT scan came back clean. After 5 years and 2 months of chemo (and her first oncologist refusing further treatment 3 years ago so that she could live out her days), the cancer is gone. 

She has to keep taking the oral chemo pills, to keep it gone. But the cancer no longer shows up in the CT scan.

What a wonderful story.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Come on JR, you know all 40 times tell you about OL is their general conditioning.

Though Becton had a good 10 yard split. So he's not a big slug.

However, no leg testing, always want to see the jumps (explosion) relative to weight (25" or above VT would be good for a guy that size, Mailata was 28", 30" would be amazing).

Watching Becton, I don't see a guy with the lateral quickness and balance to hit targets at the second level, nor did I see him explode out of his stance like Brooks.

Becton to me is more the big OT type, good enough first step, but relies on his reach to protect the edge and his size against the bull rush. At guard, he'll have to work on leverage b/c he's facing 320 DTs, not 260 lb speed rushers. And on combo blocks, it'll be Jurgens peeling off to the second level. If he can't explode through his legs (get low and then attack out of his stance) he'll need a good punch to get movement.

A number of bones to pick here. First, Becton's lateral quickness is considerably better than you give him credit for.

Landon Dickerson had this to say about him: "A little built of an adjustment for him [Becton], but the way he's built, the way he can move with his long arms, his reach, his lateral quickness, I think right now he's really excelling at that position," Dickerson said. "And it is an adjustment, but he's handling it extremely well.

This coming from a guy who's also huge. Another thing: when the Eagles run an outside zone they generally don't pull. The center, guard and tackle angle out but do not pull. They also run a pin and pull but the guy who pulls is the center. Much of that was because Kelce was so fast. So, the Eagles drafted a very similar guy so they can run the same play the same way because Jurgens can run. With Becton and Lane they're more balanced with two earth movers on either side. The outside zone to the right should be better, and the inside zone with these guys should be ridiculous. The Eagles also run a power, which looks very much like a trap. The guard pulls around the center, who blocks down, and then turns upfield to block the first guy he sees. We run a lot of that.

I beg to differ on combo blocks as well. You can't be certain which blocker will peel off and go to the LB. Becton did it at least twice in his eight snaps last week. It's not just the center.

As for power, Baldy had a clip in here a little while ago in which he said Becton had the most power of all the Eagles OL. He's certainly strong enough to play inside effectively. The one issue that remains unresolved as whether he plays to high. Can he play lower? If Stoutland likes him at guard the answer would appear to be yes. We just haven't seen it in games yet.

16 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

True but I suspect McMahon turns faster.  

Almost certainly. i have a post up that addresses some of these issues.

23 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Non Football related, but I'm gonna post this here anyway (along with having posted it in WU).

With regard to my mother's stage 4 lung cancer:

A week or so ago, we went in for another CT scan to check on the cancer and today we had the appointment with the oncologist. The CT scan came back clean. After 5 years and 2 months of chemo (and her first oncologist refusing further treatment 3 years ago so that she could live out her days), the cancer is gone. 

She has to keep taking the oral chemo pills, to keep it gone. But the cancer no longer shows up in the CT scan.

Great news on kicking cancers ass!

25 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Non Football related, but I'm gonna post this here anyway (along with having posted it in WU).

With regard to my mother's stage 4 lung cancer:

A week or so ago, we went in for another CT scan to check on the cancer and today we had the appointment with the oncologist. The CT scan came back clean. After 5 years and 2 months of chemo (and her first oncologist refusing further treatment 3 years ago so that she could live out her days), the cancer is gone. 

She has to keep taking the oral chemo pills, to keep it gone. But the cancer no longer shows up in the CT scan.

Great news!