29 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You've gotta take body type and composition in to account too. Evan Mathis was 6-5 305 but SHREDDED.

 

Cam Jurgens was a 6-3 240 TE when he committed to Nebraska. Last year, he "bulked" up to 303. 63 pounds over 5 years isn't natural or healthy. Now, I know a lot of OL do this but nearly 70 pounds is a drastic change in body composition. Jason Kelce was 280 at Cincinnati and claims his NFL weight was 295. I wouldn't be surprised if he started the season at 295 but finished closer to 290. Jurgens will be much better back at his natural OL position of Center and hopefully down around 290.  

I am far from an expert.   But 63 lbs over 5 years doesn't sound crazy at all... not unnatural, nor unhealthy.   That's 1 lb per month over that span.  That's a very feasible goal with intense workouts and proper nutrition.  

 

If 63 lbs in 5 years was so crazy, where do you think those 300+ lb incoming freshmen to the NCAA?   

 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, mine was a bad joke

I enjoyed it.  Then again I'm a HUGE dork.

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I am far from an expert.   But 63 lbs over 5 years doesn't sound crazy at all... not unnatural, nor unhealthy.   That's 1 lb per month over that span.  That's a very feasible goal with intense workouts and proper nutrition.  

 

If 63 lbs in 5 years was so crazy, where do you think those 300+ lb incoming freshmen to the NCAA?   

I mean it's not unheard of, especially in the world of college and professional football. That doesn't mean it's healthy. 

Lane Johnson was 6-6 260 heading to OU. He was 303 when he was drafted and hovers around 335 now. That's a 75 pound difference (some questionable supplements) and a devout workout and diet routine to get there. He's also adding that weight to a 6-6 guy rather than a 6-3 guy. 

There's absolutely nothing unusual about Jurgens weight gain, I just think he's maxed out at 303 and that it's a good thin he's back at Center where he can maintain his weight rather than try to gain weight. 

1 hour ago, just relax said:

You can have a smaller guard if you have a big center. One of those two guys has to be able to pull and trap. The center is preferable because he can go equally to either side but in general the puller on an OL is a guard. Think Alan Faneca or Evan Mathis.

Plus the RG usually is dealing with a bigger DT or NT lined over him, or helping the center with a NT (so the C can peel off).

So ideally you want an athletic center and a power RG.

4 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Great player. RIP.

 

Wow, that's young. I think there may have been another NFL player (lineman ?) that died at about the same age recently. I wonder if those "supplements" they took during their playing days is playing a role.

Scharping seems to be a classic "tweener," lacks arm length and quickness that are ideal at OT, lacks the power of a RG or the athleticism of a good LG.

Kind of guy who can backup and provide depth along the line, but you don't want starting for long periods. Like Driscoll.

39 minutes ago, paco said:

I see Dak as good as gone too for the same reasons. 

 

But IMO they are going to keep Lamb to pair with a rookie QB next year.  You want to give the kid the best chance to succeed and you don't do that with what's left.  Cooks?  31 years old and on the last year of his deal, doubt he's coming back.  Tolbert, Turpin, and Brooks?  That's a group that rivals the 2000 eagles WR corps.  I guess they could lean on their running game..... oh wait.

The lack of activity with extensions is inexplicable to me.  They had no room in free agency this year because of Dak's deal.  It does make me think they do not want him back for what the market.  

Fangio plays his starters a lot, so there will probably be less of a rotation for the defense in 2024. This is coming off a year where people thought they played the starters too much, but at least they were physically prepped for it.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

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So much irony that players can't be in business with the same businesses that the league is.  Bit of a double standard.   The league can cash in on the gambling craze, but the players can't get in on the fun.

 

The house always wins.  In this case, I can't figure out if its the gambling apps or the MLB that's the house.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

The lack of activity with extensions is inexplicable to me.  They had no room in free agency this year because of Dak's deal.  It does make me think they do not want him back for what the market.  

The Turds have finally come to realize they can't get where they need to go with Dak at QB.  It took them a long time to come to contractual terms with him last time, in part because he and his agents squeezed hard for the most money possible.

There's not much to quibble about with regular season Dak.  He puts up huge numbers and is among the league leaders.  Playoff Dak is another story -- he's 2-5 as a playoff QB and some of those losses were by a lopsided margin.  It just doesn't make business sense to get squeezed for very little in return.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I am far from an expert.   But 63 lbs over 5 years doesn't sound crazy at all... not unnatural, nor unhealthy.   That's 1 lb per month over that span.  That's a very feasible goal with intense workouts and proper nutrition.  

 

If 63 lbs in 5 years was so crazy, where do you think those 300+ lb incoming freshmen to the NCAA?   

 

That isn't a lot of weight at all especially most of these kids when colleges have nutritionist on staff and the kids are told they have to eat x amount of calories a day. 

I would bet Cam put on 25 to 30lbs his first year of stepping on Nebraska campus. 

6 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

3 year extension on a 2 year existing deal vs 4 year extension on a 1 year deal.

$84M vs $110M guaranteed

$19.875M signing bonus vs $88.743M

 

Yea, not much different at all.

 

GTD $84m/3 years $28m yearly average versus $110m/4 $27.5m yearly average  

$96/3 year is $32m yearly average versus $140/4 of $35m average.

Their NUMBERS in their EXTENSIONS are very similar. 

 

 

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I am far from an expert.   But 63 lbs over 5 years doesn't sound crazy at all... not unnatural, nor unhealthy.   That's 1 lb per month over that span.  That's a very feasible goal with intense workouts and proper nutrition.  

 

If 63 lbs in 5 years was so crazy, where do you think those 300+ lb incoming freshmen to the NCAA?   

 

Yeah especially coming from HS to finishing college into the pros. Jalyx Hunt was a safety turned linebacker. 6’2 182 in HS to 6’4 252 in college. 70 lbs in 4 years. 

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

The lack of activity with extensions is inexplicable to me.  They had no room in free agency this year because of Dak's deal.  It does make me think they do not want him back for what the market.  

If the eagles aren’t winning superbowls id love for someone to sign Dak and he goes to the SB with his next team. Just to prove once again, Dallas sucks. 

Philly is such a tough town.   The way they booed Hoskins tonight.   Just disgusting.

 

 

 

Oh wait... that was a standing ovation of appreciation?    Yeah... shut up national media (and a few specific posters around here).  

10 hours ago, paco said:

Andy said he was the best inside receiver in the NFL

He also said Mcnabb was the best QB in the NFL multiple times.  Can't fault a coach for propping up his guys, but it doesn't make him right.  

Jason Avant's best season: 41 rec 587 yds, 3TD.  Or you could go with 52 rec, 679 yds, 1 TD.

Greg Ward best season: 53 rec, 419 yds, 6TD.  

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So much irony that players can't be in business with the same businesses that the league is.  Bit of a double standard.   The league can cash in on the gambling craze, but the players can't get in on the fun.

 

The house always wins.  In this case, I can't figure out if its the gambling apps or the MLB that's the house.

It's too slippery of a slope. MLB, NFL, NBA, etc isn't making money betting on games, they're making it on the marketing agreement with the apps. They make the rules specifically clear, you can't gamble on your sport. Every player knows this.  

7 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Still need to pay Parsons and Dak too lol

Parsons is going to go the FA route.

29 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

It's too slippery of a slope. MLB, NFL, NBA, etc isn't making money betting on games, they're making it on the marketing agreement with the apps. They make the rules specifically clear, you can't gamble on your sport. Every player knows this.  

The argument never made sense to me. NFL pays their players handsomely to do their jobs. Just because the NFL wants to partner with someone doesn’t give the players free rein to do what they want. A bartenders job is to serve drinks, not get wasted themselves. They can drink on the job if they want but if they get caught and fired for it, there’s one person to blame. 

17 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

It's too slippery of a slope. MLB, NFL, NBA, etc isn't making money betting on games, they're making it on the marketing agreement with the apps. They make the rules specifically clear, you can't gamble on your sport. Every player knows this.  

No need for the slope.   MLB, NFL, NBA, etc. want more money, so they 'partner' with these gambling apps, then they try to pretend that they are above it all and not influenced by the betting odds.   Every player does know it.   And when the leagues weren't partnering with the apps... they had more ground to stand on.  But, since they are now dipping into the pool of money that gambling provides, they have dirty hands.  

 

The players shouldn't be betting.  And for complete transparency... the leagues shouldn't be in partnership with the gambling sites.  And now we get updated betting lines on the broadcasts during games.  Ridiculous.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The argument never made sense to me. NFL pays their players handsomely to do their jobs. Just because the NFL wants to partner with someone doesn’t give the players free rein to do what they want. A bartenders job is to serve drinks, not get wasted themselves. They can drink on the job if they want but if they get caught and fired for it, there’s one person to blame. 

What a weird concept. 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The argument never made sense to me. NFL pays their players handsomely to do their jobs. Just because the NFL wants to partner with someone doesn’t give the players free rein to do what they want. A bartenders job is to serve drinks, not get wasted themselves. They can drink on the job if they want but if they get caught and fired for it, there’s one person to blame. 

I'm not arguing in favor of the players being involved in the betting on games.  I'm saying that the leagues shouldn't be partnering with them either.  There's been far too many conspiracy takes on how the games being fixed over the years.   Why connect yourself to the betting apps to get some extra money and call it into question even more?  Just to get a little more money and maybe bring the whole thing crashing down if the rumblings about point shaving or game fixing grows?   Nah.  But, maybe the masses can't help themselves and will never walk away from the game.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not arguing in favor of the players being involved in the betting on games.  I'm saying that the leagues shouldn't be partnering with them either.  There's been far too many conspiracy takes on how the games being fixed over the years.   Why connect yourself to the betting apps to get some extra money and call it into question even more?  Just to get a little more money and maybe bring the whole thing crashing down if the rumblings about point shaving or game fixing grows?   Nah.  But, maybe the masses can't help themselves and will never walk away from the game.

Fair. I’ve seen many people, including beat writers, that say it’s unfair for NFL to partner up but punish players for gambling. Which is ridiculous IMO. 

Your point holds more water. I still would say gambling conspiracies and full blown controversies have been around forever. From the Black Sox to Pete Rose to Tim Donagy. I don’t think slapping a gambling apps logo on stuff or advertising them changes much. In the end, the players benefit some with all the additional revenue. If they are dumb enough to bet on their sport when they are allowed to bet on anything and everything else but, they have only themselves to blame.